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[Gargoyle_1]

How long before this is added to Aangs page? I don't think it scales to anyone but I do think it should be in his page similar to how Unalaq and Korra have giant forms.

 

[Lina_Shields]

Do you guys want a separate page for La/Water Spirit to be made, or do you guys want a separate key for Aang with the powers of the Water Spirit?

But then, Korra does not have a separate key for her being fused with Raava's powers, so the Water Spirit does deserve its own separate page. If said page were to be made, its stats would be:

• Attack Potency: Island level (Created a massive wave that pushed away an entire fleet of ships)
• Speed: Hypersonic+ (Its attacks can travel at this speed)

Are we clear with this?

 

[Davidsteel1]

Sorry isn't Korra fused with Raava simply her Avatar state? Or am I missing something. I'd suggest a separate key for Aang with the ocean spirits powers considering we don't ever see the spirit do any feats on its own

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

But the thing is....we do. La was pretty much doing everything when fighting the fire nation Aang hardly contributed at all. For more evidence of La using the Koizilla form separately, remember it located and dragged General Zhao into the spirit world after he fought Zuko, so that proves La can move and use the Koizilla form without Aang to help it.

 

[Davidsteel1]

But then the question becomes if La can go all Koizilla without Aang why not do it from the start? Up until Aang stepped into its pond after the moon died La was just swimming around in a panic, in fact Koh notes that both the moon and the ocean sacrificed their immortality and power to live simple lives as mortal fish (y they would do that is beyond me). La only showed off those feats after fusing with Aang. As for finding and taking Zhao, I will admit this does throw me for a bit of a loop, it could simply be because the moon had returned and we know both need to work in harmony or it could have been mooching off some of the remnants of Aangs power.

 

[Joseph619]

Yes, I agree with separate page for the Water Spirit. It was not influenced by avatar state nor Aang was much influenced by it. Aang was merely a vessel to channel energy. I agree with Lina

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Probably Plot Convience since Aang is supposed to be the "savior'" and everyting as the Avatar and La wanted him to look heroic as the story wants him to be. Or maybe La simply didnt care? I dont recall the moon and ocean spirits ever having a partnership or anything like that, especially when the forces they govern are completely different. They're as opposite as Yin and Yang are like Koh refers them as. La probably didnt mind that the white fish was killed until Aang stepped in to ask for his help, which La didnt mind giving.

Or.....

La wanted to transform but didnt due to Zhao being there? Remember they were in the form of ordinary fish which made them easy targets. La probably wanted to wait for an opportunity for Zhao to leave and then transform so Zhao wouldnt be able to fight back.

 

[Davidsteel1]

But they did in fact have a relationship, it was never gone into detail true but, Koh did mention that there relationship was of "push and pull" the philosophy of water bending itself and the water benders learnt their techniques by watching the moon push and pull the ocean. Admittedly it is vague but it at least presents the idea that their real power comes from their partnership and it would kinda explain why La had to fuse with Aang b4 becoming Koizilla; Aang could have simply been a substitute for the moon aka the pulling and pushing power the moon represented. I'd honestly rather not rely on the argument of "plot convenience" as I could say the same about La having feats outside being fused with Aang.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Oh thats not what I mean. What I meant by "relationship" is that yes, both do work together to push and pull but that shouldnt mean both actually care for each other anymore than just doing the jobs they were meant to do. In their own way to keep balance. From what it looks like or for all we know, La could have simply used the moon spirit because of its part of the job and the same works backwards. Beyond that we don't see anything indicating that both spirits have a care in the world for each other otherwise La would have tried defending the moon spirit from Zhao.

Though you do make a good point on the Aang part. La could have simply used Aang as a way to gain the pushing and pulling power in place of the moon spirit after it died. It would explain why La needed Aang and when done with him just casted him to the side like nothing after the moon spirit came back to life. IIRC don't we see both of them resonate when Aang steps into the pond?

Well we can't really argue "sake of the plot" for La since these 2 only ever show up in the invasion arc and are refereed to being powerful in the lore. They'd have to be in order to manipulate these forces and give water benders the power of waterbending.

 

[Gargoyle_1]

Do you guys want a separate page for La/Water Spirit to be made, or do you guys want a separate key for Aang with the powers of the Water Spirit?

But then, Korra does not have a separate key for her being fused with Raava's powers, so the Water Spirit does deserve its own separate page. If said page were to be made, its stats would be:

That's because Raava is fused with all the Avatars and is what helps them use the Avatar State. Basically, Raava IS the Avatar state.

 

[Antvasima]

@Lina I think that seems fine, yes.

 

[Lina_Shields]

Raava still has a profile page, indicating that she is a separate character, similar to Vaatu, so whether Raava is the Avatar state or not, a separate character for the water spirit is warranted, as Aang did not access the power of the Water Spirit on his own, and it is actually shown to us that the Water Spirit is in fact, a separate character.

 

[Antvasima]

I agree.

 

[Davidsteel1]

@Kukui oh that's what u meant. Yeah it's kinda up in the air on how much the spirits really feel.

Lina & Ant as for the profiles while I really do not have a problem with La getting its own profile (hopefully called "Koizilla") I really do feel it'll be wrong not to at least acknowledge the fact that Aang at some point had access to this level of power, whether his presence was necessary or not is still up for debate, but he was the conduit through which these feats were accomplished.

 

[Antvasima]

I am uncertain, considering that it was not done under his own power. However, aren't Raava and Vaatu supposed to be the most powerful spirits? If so, shouldn't they scale accordingly?

 

[Lina_Shields]

Or we can classify this feat as an outlier considering that Raava and Vaatu has not performed feats anywhere near close to this level, except for the part where Vaatu covers the entire world in darkness?

Hmm...

 

[Antvasima]

I think that we can probably scale from it, considering Vaatu's feat.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Yes but it may still be in Outlier due to them also being harmed by forces no wear near that level too, making them glass canons.

In fact shouldn't Raava and Vaatus strengths kinda vary depending on how much light or darkness there is? I ask this because when Wan separated them and darkness started to overpower light, it made Vaatu much stronger but also Ravva much weaker to the point she became smaller than a dog and couldnt even fly on her own and would soon die. Of course this doeent affect the AS since Raava even when small gave Wan enough power to fight Vaatu accordingly.

 

[Gargoyle_1]

The water spirit, which is basically god of water, fusing with the Avatar which has 10k years of expierience? Doesn't sound like one.

Also, when Vaatu fused with Unalaq, he was basically unstoppable, he was getting slammed with flame cannons and it wasn't even touching him as far as he cared.

 

[Lina_Shields]

Whether we can scale the Water Spirit feat to Aang's Avatar State or not depends on whether Kiyoshi's island feat brings us values anywhere near the wave feat or not (although Kiyoshi wasn't in her Avatar state when she performed the feat).

What episode does the Kiyoshi Island split feat occur btw? From the size of said island in question, that split piece of land became Kiyoshi Island, which was shown to be pretty darn big considering it has a couple mountains on it.

 

[Gargoyle_1]

I don't think it was an episode, but a miniseries where Aang met every Avatar, you'll see it on YT

 

[Davidsteel1]

Kyoshis Island feat? It was definitely an episode in the main show, season 2 episode 5 I think

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

If possible I would like input about my above question.

Also the episode where she split the island is "Avatar Day" when the gang visit an island about Kyoshi and threatend to put Aang in jail. But IIRC, Kyoshi in AS (yes in the flashback her eyes glew before she even did the feat) split the island little by little. She used AS to loosen it with earthbending so that it would be much easier to separate it.

 

[Gargoyle_2]

Bump.

Where's the water spirit profile?

 

[Gargoyle_2]

Bump

 

[Gargoyle_2]

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