pompom upscale

[Mbpoops]

Hello again!

this should be quick hopefully

anyway the trailblazer currently has a key listed as "higher with titan form" which like any scaling for this form pure headcanon we never fight in titan form, the justification for it is literally the express amped by fulirene ramming into irontomb's barrier which if anything just upscales pompom since his current profile scales him off the express.

honestly pompom's profile is kinda weird when you think about it, his base should be Unknown since he never actually fights the only thing hes scaling off is welt dan heng and yanqing saying hes scary, an obvious ingame joke since we dont know how strong he physically is yet, while the express gets a "3-C" rating for ramming into sunday and we would be giving this "titan form" key to pompom just called "cyrene amped" (like the other cyrene amp profiles)

TLR:

Trailblazer loses this key: higher with Titan Form and this justification: higher with Titan Form (Heavily damaged Complete Irontomb's barriers by ramming into them)

Pom-Pom's base will go to "Unknown”, or a “possibly 3-C” (if you seriously believe he scales off unsupported statements) since we still dont know where he scales outside of gags (are we seriously gonna scale him to welt?) while the express key goes to 3-C no new justification needed, and he gains a new key: 2-A with cyrene amps with the same justification as the trailblazer's old titan key.

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[KingOfDarknessBelow]

Pompom upscale I agree

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

his base should be Unknown since he never actually fights the only thing hes scaling off is welt dan heng and yanqing saying hes scary

(To clarify Yanqing stated Pom-Pom is someone not to be trifled with)

an obvious ingame joke

You actually have to prove that it's an ingame joke or gag

since we dont know how strong he physically is yet

But this isn't evidence or a defeater against the statements about Pom-Pom. The fact that we don't know anything about Pom-Pom means we can't say for sure it's a gag, This also goes against Welt's own character backstory saying Pom-Pom possesses terrifying power and is consistent with the other statements. This is like also saying arbitrary that Pom-Pom stalemating Fu Xuan in chess is a gag as well.

At the bare minimum at least grant Pom-Pom a possibly rating with powers because for sure no one is capable of fully saying they are gags alongside there not being anything in series that disproves those statements other than Pom-Pom being a mystery.

and he gains a new key: 2-A with cyrene amps with the same justification as the trailblazer's old titan key.

Why does Pom-Pom get a Cyrene amp key

 

[Mbpoops]

(To clarify Yanqing stated Pom-Pom is someone not to be trifled with)

a common gag within fiction to say the cute silly character is really scary and strong so dont mess with them (example arale)

You actually have to prove that it's an ingame joke or gag

when have we seen pompom fight? how do we know where he scales? the best thing we have is him going into pathspace which anyone can do

But this isn't evidence or a defeater against the statements about Pom-Pom. The fact that we don't know anything about Pom-Pom means we can't say for sure it's a gag,

you just defeated your own argument here. we dont know ANYTHING about pompom so why does his base have scaling? im fine with the train scaling being on pompom's profile but we have no information on pompom.

This also goes against Welt's own character backstory saying Pom-Pom possesses terrifying power and is consistent with the other statements.

welt is overly dramatic and you would know this if you read second eruption, alienspace, or played chapter 23 welt is VERY dramatic even in the newest chapters of hsr. since we know literally nothing about pompom we shouldnt use this as scaling especially when he doesnt fight

This is like also saying arbitrary that Pom-Pom stalemating Fu Xuan in chess is a gag as well.

this is just intelligence upscale

At the bare minimum at least grant Pom-Pom a possibly rating with powers because for sure no one is capable of fully saying they are gags alongside there not being anything in series that disproves those statements other than Pom-Pom being a mystery.


Why does Pom-Pom get a Cyrene amp key

did you read the op?

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

a common gag within fiction to say the cute silly character is really scary and strong so dont mess with them (example arale)

Again, prove it's a gag. Don't base it off of vibes. Also, Arale wtf. Arale is Complex Multi on the site lmao.

when have we seen pompom fight?

This isn't a requirement for anything. You can give a guy a rating based off of statements alone even if they don't have fighting feats.

how do we know where he scales?

Based off of the statements we were told????

the best thing we have is him going into pathspace which anyone can do

Tell me why everyone in real space didn't just teleport to path space to avoid death.

you just defeated your own argument here. we dont know ANYTHING about pompom so why does his base have scaling? im fine with the train scaling on it being on pompom's profile but we have no information on pompom.

Why do you think I said give Pom-Pom a possibly rating??? Do you think possibly means a rating needs 100% complete evidence?? Your entire argument is "The guy never fought on screen", which in itself isn't even a debunk nor evidence for the statements being gags. It's just vibes

What we KNOW about Pom-Pom so far is that bro has multiple statements repeatedly saying Pom-Pom is strong and neither side being capable of getting evidence to disprove or prove the statements in order for their 100% rating (unknown vs full rating). Which is where POSSIBLY rating comes in because it takes into account BOTH sides. If we dont know what Pom-Pom can do then theres nothing that goes against the statements for you to argue it being a gag.

welt is overly dramatic and you would know this if you read second eruption, alienspace, or played chapter 23 welt is VERY dramatic even in the newest chapters of hsr. since we know literally nothing about pompom we shouldnt use this as scaling especially when he doesnt fight

You say this but it's literally consistent with every single statement of Pom-Pom. You also made 2 contradictory statements. Pick one. Are these statements all gags or Welt exaggerating? You can't just run with both at the same time. Going with it being an exaggeration validates the statements being legitimate to some degree. Hell this even goes against the narrative you're trying to say

a common gag within fiction to say the cute silly character is really scary and strong so dont mess with them (example arale)

So clearly the dude is more than some cute silly character or an alleged gag if the guy possessing abilities than just being cute.

did you read the op?

OP doesn't answer my question bro.

this is just intelligence upscale

Why isn't this one a gag then??

 

[Voidnether]

Put me on disagreeing with the thread because I don't know why it has to be shown if they're already capable technically, it's the same thing as when Titan Mydei, Castorice and Hyacine fought Phainon in 3.4. If there are 3 characters capable of this, it's already good enough.

Should Pompom even be considered possibly just because it hasn't been shown to fight at all despite several narratives? Unless you'd just want to ignore statements altogether at this point.

The main point of this thread is basically: "Is there any feats / Have they been shown to fight at all" despite this is not really a requirement cause we do see the other 3 Demigods as Titans being capable of fighting plus the fact Pompom has several narratives supporting it.

You'd have to argue Pompom's case is like King from One Punch Man cause that Arale example is BUNS, but from the justifications, I don't really see anything like that.

 

[Mbpoops]

Again, prove it's a gag. Don't base it off of vibes. Also, Arale wtf. Arale is Complex Multi on the site lmao.

arale actually has feats to back her up what feats does pompom have? arale is also a gag you just missed the point of the comparrison

This isn't a requirement for anything. You can give a guy a rating based off of statements alone even if they don't have fighting feats.

so you whole heartidly believe pompom > welt? wow where was pompom when zephyro was boxing welt

Based off of the statements we were told????

we're only told hes skilled with a sword and that hes scary what does that have to do with strength??

Tell me why everyone in real space didn't just teleport to path space to avoid death.

plot? not everyone saw it coming? i mean unless you wanna say belabog TB can go to pathspace and emanators cant then idk man

Why do you think I said give Pom-Pom a possibly rating??? Do you think possibly means a rating needs 100% complete evidence?? Your entire argument is "The guy never fought on screen", which in itself isn't even a debunk nor evidence for the statements being gags. It's just vibes

unknown would be better since like you said we dont know shit about pompom

What we KNOW about Pom-Pom so far is that bro has multiple statements repeatedly saying Pom-Pom is strong and neither side being capable of getting evidence to disprove or prove the statements in order for their 100% rating (unknown vs full rating). Which is where POSSIBLY rating comes in because it takes into account BOTH sides. If we dont know what Pom-Pom can do then theres nothing that goes against the statements for you to argue it being a gag.

multiple statements not implying strength they just say hes scary and good with swords unless you genuienly think pompom is POSSIBLY stronger than welt and dan heng please tell me where this supposed strong pompom was when boothill had a gun to dan heng's face

You say this but it's literally consistent with every single statement of Pom-Pom. You also made 2 contradictory statements. Pick one. Are these statements all gags or Welt exaggerating? You can't just run with both at the same time. Going with it being an exaggeration validates the statements being legitimate to some degree. Hell this even goes against the narrative you're trying to say

its not contradictory its just not supposed to be taken seriously. like if you genuienly believe welt is terrified by pompom you got it

So clearly the dude is more than some cute silly character or an alleged gag if the guy possessing abilities than just being cute.

he could be but we genuienly dont know shit about him

OP doesn't answer my question bro.

it quite literally does but if you need a more staight forward answer we literally see cyrene amp the express yk the thing on pompom's profile?

Why isn't this one a gag then??

because we see the feat..?

 

[Mbpoops]

Put me on disagreeing with the thread because I don't know why it has to be shown if they're already capable technically, it's the same thing as when Titan Mydei, Castorice and Hyacine fought Phainon in 3.4. If there are 3 characters capable of this, it's already good enough.

false equivalence since we know they fought phainon theres actual gameplay to support it, nothing supports pompom physically scaling to where he is. like i said im fine with the express scaling tho

Should Pompom even be considered possibly just because it hasn't been shown to fight at all despite several narratives? Unless you'd just want to ignore statements altogether at this point.

none of these statements even allude to strength just that hes scary

The main point of this thread is basically: "Is there any feats / Have they been shown to fight at all" despite this is not really a requirement cause we do see the other 3 Demigods as Titans being capable of fighting plus the fact Pompom has several narratives supporting it.

what do demigods have to do with pompom?

You'd have to argue Pompom's case is like King from One Punch Man cause that Arale example is BUNS, but from the justifications, I don't really see anything like that.

king also has no feats and guess where he scales... thats right 10-B so unless you are ok with pom-pom being 10-B..

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

arale actually has feats to back her up what feats does pompom have? arale is also a gag you just missed the point of the comparrison

Again you can scale a character off of statements alone. Also what am I supposed to take from the comparison? Arale and Pom-Pom are gags so they're OP?

so you whole heartidly believe pompom > welt? wow where was pompom when zephyro was boxing welt

Where did I say Pom-Pom > Welt? Can you screenshot or reply to this or are you pulling a voidnether?

we're only told hes skilled with a sword and that hes scary what does that have to do with strength??

And he also said Pom-Pom wasn't someone to be trifled yet. This is literally consistent with every other statement. Also considering the phrasing of this sentence. Can I assume you're giving up on the gag route and instead targeting the statement instead?

plot? not everyone saw it coming? i mean unless you wanna say belabog TB can go to pathspace and emanators cant then idk man

And the people who saw it coming, which is quite alot of people because thats like 5 star systems in the vicinity and hundreds on the front line against Irontomb. Why are they all dead instead of teleporting to path space? Also where did emanators even come from

unknown would be better since like you said we dont know shit about pompom

Possibly would be better because we literally have several statements all backing each other up for Pom-Pom's level. Us not knowing anything about Pom-Pom just means your claims of it being a gag has no merit and us not giving them a 100% rating.

multiple statements not implying strength they just say hes scary and good with swords unless you genuienly think pompom is POSSIBLY stronger than welt and dan heng please tell me where this supposed strong pompom was when boothill had a gun to dan heng's face

1 statement is saying Pom-Pom is someone to not be trifled with. This is coming from a tier 3-4 characters being wary on Pom-Pom
2 more statements saying its unwise to mess with Pom-Pom coming from tier 3-4 characters
1 statement coming from a character background story saying Pom-Pom possesses terrifying power

Also no one cares about the boothill scene because there wasn't even a fight.

its not contradictory its just not supposed to be taken seriously. like if you genuienly believe welt is terrified by pompom you got it

Yes, it is contradictory. Its either they're gags or they're exaggerations. The latter meaning there was actually some merit to the statements.
This really just sounds like
"welt is super duper cool, theres no way my goat would be terrified of some power from a cute character we dont know anyting about outside of the 4 statements we have"

he could be but we genuienly dont know shit about him

Ok but why can't this settle with a possibly rating via powers? There's clearly something more to Pom-Pom than it meets the eye. Us not knowing about Pom-Pom means we can't 100% reject those statements nor accept those statements for a full rating. This sounds like a possibly to me.

it quite literally does but if you need a more staight forward answer we literally see cyrene amp the express yk the thing on pompom's profile?

Yeah, that's what I'm confused about. Where did Cyrene amp the train itself or any express members outside of the 3 ones present?

because we see the feat..?

No, we don't see the feat. It's literally a Fu Xuan statement like the Yanqing statement.

 

[Doggo]

Lowkey tho, how the hell did they fix the Express afterwards

 

[Mbpoops]

Again you can scale a character off of statements alone. Also what am I supposed to take from the comparison? Arale and Pom-Pom are gags so they're OP?


Where did I say Pom-Pom > Welt? Can you screenshot or reply to this or are you pulling a voidnether?

Welt views pompom’s power as terrifying if we take this at face value then pompom > welt

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I guess a possibly is fine but id rather have like an actual shown feat.

No one really contends the key swap tho i assume since all the argument was was abt base pompom

 

[Mbpoops]

Lowkey tho, how the hell did they fix the Express afterwards

Himeko

 

[Mbpoops]

Yeah, that's what I'm confused about. Where did Cyrene amp the train itself or any express members outside of the 3 ones present?

Did you not see the pink train..?read the op

 

[Mbpoops]

Where was this pompom who shouldnt be trifled with when boothill had him and dan heng at gunpoint

 

[KingOfDarknessBelow]

Where was this pompom who shouldnt be trifled with when boothill had him and dan heng at gunpoint

welt is scared of Himeko's coffee so she upscales

 

[KingOfDarknessBelow]

She should have been the one to fight Zephyro

 

[Mbpoops]

She should have been the one to fight Zephyro

where was pompom when zephyro attacked? I thought he wasnt supposed to be trifled with

 

[KingOfDarknessBelow]

where was pompom when zephyro attacked? I thought he wasnt supposed to be trifled with

They wanted to give Welt some feats

 

[Mbpoops]

No but seriously where was pompom? If hes as strong as you guys are saying why hasnt he fought at all? All his friends are fighting for their lives and he just sits on the train like i thought he wasnt supposed to be trifled with why can boothill just put a gun to his head without repercussions? Not to mention the same guy who said hes not supposed to be trifled with is messing with him hell pompom looks terrified here are we seriously gonna say he has any scaling??

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

I think putting "possibly" is the best option, later we are gonna get pompom doing stuff , and later I mean in 8.0 at the end of the game versus Firefly evil cousin butterfly

 

[Mbpoops]

No but seriously where was pompom? If hes as strong as you guys are saying why hasnt he fought at all? All his friends are fighting for their lives and he just sits on the train like i thought he wasnt supposed to be trifled with why can boothill just put a gun to his head without repercussions? Not to mention the same guy who said hes not supposed to be trifled with is messing with him hell pompom looks terrified here are we seriously gonna say he has any scaling??

Speaking on his so called “terrifying abilities”, what are those exactly? The only time we see pompom do ANYTHING is in the fate collab which for one summoning a servant isnt exclusive to just him and 2 he summoned misha.. yk another featless character (even if he had feats it wouldnt scsle back to pompom’s physicals)

 

[Mbpoops]

Firefly evil cousin butterfly

thats just castorice

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

No but seriously where was pompom?

For some reason he can't leave the train, that is the excuse, later he will leave it, be ultra overpowered and mess up the scaling, mark my words


And the robo pom poms are too op...

 

[KingOfDarknessBelow]

For some reason he can't leave the train, that is the excuse, later he will leave it, be ultra overpowered and mess up the scaling, mark my words


And the robo pom poms are too op...

They knew he was too strong for the like of IronTomb and Sunday so had to lock him up, otherwise it would be too easy