Pokemon - Jirach Downgrade

[Lina_Shields]

In reference to the Jirachi profile, its Attack Potency part has Jirachi scaled to Moon level. However, the calculation that places Jirachi at Moon level seems to have not been accepted.

To go very low-end with my calculation, I've decided to base the energy output of the "Millennium Comet" on the famous Halley's Comet
	~ Feat in questio.​

As for the context of the feat, it states in the calc that the Kinetic Energy of Halley's comet is rated at 5e23 Joules, or 119.5 Teratons. However, if Jirachi actually absorbed all of that energy from the traveling meteor itself, wouldn't this mean that the traveling meteor would have lost all its kinetic energy, and would have eventually been stopped moving altogether?

As for what this means, I am not sure if we should scale Jirachi to the meteor. We should scale Jirachi to the False Groudon that was shown in the movie, if we can.


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• We can find the mass of the false Groundon by finding its size, and apply square-cube-law towards an actual Groudon's height and mass.
• We can use Jirachi's ascension speed to the meteor speed that was shown in the video. For the speed where Jirachi ascended at
  • Meteor ablation speeds where it catches fire = 4km/s
  • Meteor speeds from outer orbit = 11km/s

We can find Jirachi's Kinetic Energy from this while carrying Groudon up into the sky.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Check the note I put on Jirachi's profile.

 

[Lina_Shields]

Note: Jirachi is rated as moon level despite the calc preferring the lower end is because it was an outlier, and no Earthbound Pokemon had feats coming close. Given that this is no longer true, we use the high end.

Has Jirachi ever faced against any of the pokemon listed in the note that you listed? The list is

• Rayquaza
• Groudo
• Kyogre
• Mewtwo

Going by Jirachi's profile, it does not state that Jirachi has faced the four pokemon that you listed. If there were scenes of Jirachi facing the four Pokemon that were listed in the game, anime, or the Adventures manga, it would have been considered via scaling however.

Furthermore, using the high end of a calc, when that said high end of calc was rejected, as well as the original author of the calc rejecting it, means that the result of said calc itself in Jirachi's calc is completely baseless.

But then, there are some things that I found out in regards to Groudon/Kyogre anyways from the original calc such as Kyogre's cloud being rather small to get Moon level KE from Groudon's sun calc size being scaled wrong, as he width of the beam was less than half the size of Sootopolis.

Just set Jirachi's AP to Unknown for now. A blog for this should be made or something.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

I believe you misinterpreted the note...

 

[Lina_Shields]

Feats, calculations, and scaling would take priority over listed notes.

In this case, it would be very much preferred if you could find Jirachi being scaled to something.

 

[LordKill90908]

Just look at the comments.

"Eldritch Sukima Aug 3, 2012 What do you mean per second output?

5e+23 joules is the kinetic energy of the comet. There's no 'per second' here, that's just the amount of energy it carries from moving at that speed. You're thinking of power output, which a comet doesn't really have.

If Jirachi drained 5e+23 joules out of it over any time frame, the comet would have no more energy left and would simply stop moving once the process was over.

And if Jirachi only drained a portion of it, the comet would slow down accordingly."

Considering that the high end required the assumption that Jirachi drained all 5e+23 joules in a second, this would mean that Jirachi drained more energy than the comet even has. And that isn't all:

"Eldritch Sukima Aug 3, 2012How do you quantify how much energy was absorbed?

There's no output of any kind to measure this, so the feat seems to be unquantifiable.

Though if you could figure out Virus Groudon's weight you could get an energy figure for Jirachi sending it flying into the air." "EnigmaJ Aug 3, 2012The problem is that merely dividing the kinetic energy of the comet by it's "near-earth period" or even its total orbital period won't give you this number ( in fact, it leaves you with a figure that's practically meaningless ), and even if you do manage to find the average "power" of the comet in a closed orbit, I don't really see why one should assume that the rate at which Jirachi absorbs energy from the comet is equal to the rate which a comet naturally gains or loses kinetic energy."

Basically, none of the comments even accept the method for the calculation, let alone the high end.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

I kinda didn't read the comments...

 

[Thebluedash]

Makes sense to me. So are we going to change Jirachi to unknown? Or do we have something to scale him to.

 

[The_Everlasting]

Jirachi still has a low-end Country level feat to scale from, which is what the OBD went with.

 

[Lina_Shields]

As stated before, there seems to be some sort of flaw in Kyogre/Groudon's calculation, especially size scaling. Thus, a re-calc may be done. The re-evaluation for Groudon/Kyogre will be completed tomorrow evening, around 12 hours from now.

You may be quite surprised at the results.

 

[Antvasima]

@Lina Okay. Thank you for the help.