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Pokemon Discussion Thread - Red & Blue arc
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Sean is literally ALREADY editing profiles without a CRT to include Masters EX saying its been made canon???
Are we srs? The exact thing i said would happen happened, shocker.
The SwSh/Galar cast of Masters EX contradicts the happenings of mainline one of the most lol.
Are we srs? The exact thing i said would happen happened, shocker.
The SwSh/Galar cast of Masters EX contradicts the happenings of mainline one of the most lol.
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Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera
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Jinx when Sean actually applies the CRT that got accepted:
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Sean ignoring the outcome of that CRT entirely to think it said 'Masters EX is now canon!'
Just like i said it would.
"Thus, presumably, changes that could be implemented under this premise will still need to be proposed properly in CRTs & evaluated case by case to see if they are acceptable." And unluckily for you, Masters EX contradicts the happenings of mainline all the time in order to fit characters in. Even though that in itself should just prove Masters EX is not part of the mainline continuity (and its dumb otherwise to have voted for this outcome cause now it leads to further arguments down the road).
All your Masters EX additions have to be verified. If the character is a blatant contradiction of what happened in the mainline plot beats, it cant be added.
Just like i said it would.
"Thus, presumably, changes that could be implemented under this premise will still need to be proposed properly in CRTs & evaluated case by case to see if they are acceptable." And unluckily for you, Masters EX contradicts the happenings of mainline all the time in order to fit characters in. Even though that in itself should just prove Masters EX is not part of the mainline continuity (and its dumb otherwise to have voted for this outcome cause now it leads to further arguments down the road).
All your Masters EX additions have to be verified. If the character is a blatant contradiction of what happened in the mainline plot beats, it cant be added.
Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera
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But it does mean that. This was literally just explained to you by both me and Imaginym.
Secondary canon means that it’s canon everywhere except where it contradicts mainline, which my profiles don’t do or reflect my prior opinions on.
Oh, so it’s like everything else on the ******* site, nice. “They’re all on Pasio, so the game’s noncanon” isn’t gonna work, because it takes place after every mainline game has happened and they can get insta-TPed in and out of it by Hoopa whenever they please. Wait a minute… did you just admit you’re just going to keep arguing about this?
Yep! That’s what CRTs and Secondary Canon means. Got it after 3 months.
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"Thus, presumably, changes that could be implemented under this premise will still need to be proposed properly in CRTs & evaluated case by case to see if they are acceptable."
Secondary Canon will never be the same tier as mainline regardless (and even then Imaginym read it wrong before closing the thread. There was more favour in making separate profiles)
Why are the mods even enabling you atp
Secondary Canon will never be the same tier as mainline regardless (and even then Imaginym read it wrong before closing the thread. There was more favour in making separate profiles)
Why are the mods even enabling you atp
Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera
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Yep, I saw the first time.
“Oh, he just read it wrong”
That depends. What’s the upside to keeping you here?
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So you purposefully edited the pages and went against what was decided upon in the thread?
You have though. You're sitting here acting as if Masters EX is now completely mainline canon because of this. Meanwhile the actual outcome to the thread was probably worse in terms of organisation than just making Masters EX a separate key honestly. It was wishywashy and basically said 'Oh, do a mix of it all' instead of choosing one specific answer
This the same person trying to claim Legends ZA isnt canon btw
I don't think im the second coming of Jesus Christ because of Pokemon ig? Idk why you're trying to talk to me like you're the boss here
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A report was made, so the discussion will continue there. In the mean time, both of you quit the blabbering until a conclusion is reached, or I’ll be deleting posts and/or thread banning.
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can't see the edits rn, what was changed exactly?
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I reverted them, but Sean changed the Calem/Gloria pages to include their Masters EX keys despite the CRT purposefully concluding with the fact that adding Masters Ex content needs to be 'discussed' prior apparently.
Probs the worst choice to go with, cause now discussions like this will frequently happen (and no doubt we'll have to wait for a mod) as opposed to just picking one solution, but either way thats something ignored by Sean.
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@Jinx666 @Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera
Can you two please not stir up trouble by going after each other? We get that you can't stand each other, but this repeated targeting of each other isn't appropriate. Just try to be professional about dealing with each other.
Can you two please not stir up trouble by going after each other? We get that you can't stand each other, but this repeated targeting of each other isn't appropriate. Just try to be professional about dealing with each other.
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On a different note:
Team Rust makes a human ladder. By my count, it takes about 14 humans, with the big guy on the bottom, & the leader at the top. It's apparently strenuous for them, so they fall down -We only see the leader fall, with the rest of the ladder's disassembly being off-screen.- after the player character climbs it.
Funny thing is, the player character can jump down the building the ladder is used to get to, about 4 times, & they'll rebuild the ladder each time.
This implies surviving the fall, Stamina for rebuilding & maintaining the ladder all 4 times, & is also a LS strength, because the 2nd lowest in the ladder is a generic Rust Syndicate grunt, yet they have the weight of 12 people that are each successively standing atop the shoulders of whoever's below them.
IDK who Rust Syndicate grunts scales to, if any, in terms of physicality, but it might be notable.
Team Rust makes a human ladder. By my count, it takes about 14 humans, with the big guy on the bottom, & the leader at the top. It's apparently strenuous for them, so they fall down -We only see the leader fall, with the rest of the ladder's disassembly being off-screen.- after the player character climbs it.
Funny thing is, the player character can jump down the building the ladder is used to get to, about 4 times, & they'll rebuild the ladder each time.
This implies surviving the fall, Stamina for rebuilding & maintaining the ladder all 4 times, & is also a LS strength, because the 2nd lowest in the ladder is a generic Rust Syndicate grunt, yet they have the weight of 12 people that are each successively standing atop the shoulders of whoever's below them.
IDK who Rust Syndicate grunts scales to, if any, in terms of physicality, but it might be notable.
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On the topic of Pokemon, they think they're Groudon and Kyogre
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That or the Lions screaming at each other thinking their opponents are dumb chimps image
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Would anyone here be interested in this matchup?
Palkia vs Jade Harley(Homestuck)
Palkia vs Jade Harley(Homestuck)
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Like said before, this isnt targeting. He made an active edit to include content not discussed on profiles, which is against the rules, and i called it out without needing to escalate things on the wiki side of things.
Im not saying things just to rile him up, he is actively doing things against the rules. And yeah, his scaling has much left to be discussed
Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera
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That counts as targeting me.
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If you've done something that blatantly goes against the rules, and delibarately done so, then I have every right to call it out. Thats not a personal gripe, thats an active breach of policy that needs to be addressed.
You know now, so just don't do it again without making the proper means of discussing it through. Not responding further.
You know now, so just don't do it again without making the proper means of discussing it through. Not responding further.
Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera
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Good, please don’t.
Ghengiroo115
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Do Megas and Z-Moves have established multipliers on the wiki or no?
Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera
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Megas yes, Z-Moves no.
Ghengiroo115
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Thinking about just how goofy Pokéhuman scaling is. Like the wiki currently has their durability scaling to fully evolved Pokémon, which makes sense due to the literal dozens of examples of this (though the Legends games kinda make this a bit strange as the protags of those games can reach cosmic levels of durability for no reason). However there’s also probably a lot of cases where humans can harm other humans, which makes everything super scuffed as that would suggest normal humans scale to fully evolved Pokémon. I don’t think 6-C for any untrained human is logical for a lot of reasons, but it’s unfortunate to ignore every time a human could hurt or threaten to hurt another human.
At the very least, there’s a case for superhumans like martial artists, Essentia, etc to scale in AP to human durability or Pokémon. It could also be argued that human potential isn’t equal and certain humans just have far greater potential strength or durability than others.
At the very least, there’s a case for superhumans like martial artists, Essentia, etc to scale in AP to human durability or Pokémon. It could also be argued that human potential isn’t equal and certain humans just have far greater potential strength or durability than others.
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unrelated bud i got a gold card from one of the blisters xD ... me wanted a top trainer box, but a scalper here buys everything every damn week
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I got the sun & moon pocket comic it wasn't good it was mostly just bad name puns and the binding was horrible and broke pretty quickly.
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The Conqueror of the Stars Vs. The Alien Meteor (Starscourge Radagn Vs. Deoxys)
~ The mightiest hero of the demigods confronted the falling stars alone - and thus did he incur the wrath of the DNA Pokémon ~ RADAHN VS DEOXYS Rules: - Radahn is in his Prime key, High 4-C is unrestricted - Speed is unequal - Deoxys starts as the Grand Delta Meteor traveling to the Lands...
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Are there notable speed feats in Pokemon Horizons?
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That's tricky to answer.
As is, we have Speed scaling based on evolutionary stage, based on various feats of moves.
There are sound-based moves, electricity-based moves, light-based moves, just off the top of my head.
Also, IIRC, our standards allow electricity from powers to be assumed to have the speed of real electricity (Or lightning. Not sure which.) if there's sufficient AP.
Searching can be aided by Bulbapedia; Look up a move, & it'll list instances of that move being used in the anime & by what Pokemon, as well as a description of how that episode depicted it. Hover over the title of the episode the move was used in; Bulbapedia lists Pokemon Horizons episodes in urls with "HZ###". Like "HZ056" or something.
Using that, you could find episodes where moves appeared, to see if they're relevant for scaling.
Sound-based moves that come to mind....
Supersonic, Sing, Hyper Voice, Chatter, Round, Boomburst, Disarming Voice, Clanging Scales, Clangorous Soul.... Not sure that's all of them.
Electric moves.... That's probably obvious, though Thunder is most likely to feature cloud to ground lightning.
Light-based moves include Solar Beam (Solar Beam has been contentious, though.), Flash, Luster Purge (Lol, Latios signature move, no?), Flash Cannon, Mirror Shot, Power Gem, Prismatic Laser (Base Necrozma signature move.), Light of Ruin (Eternal Floette signature move.)....
That's just the top of my head.
@Prime2024 Apologies for @-ing you like this, but you keep up with Pokemon Horizons a lot, right? Can you think of any notable scenes involving any of those moves, or maybe scenes of doing notable speed? Time where a Pokemon traveled a stated distance in a timeframe, flew around to make weather or something? Maybe stuff like reaching the horizon or exiting the atmosphere?
Do you think you'd be able to provide some insight in on this matter, please?
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they state in ZA that there's no way a human could beat a Pokémon in a fight, so there's that
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Doesn’t Ivor say the opposite is true with enough training? Emma feared Ivor would knock out that Klefki by throwing his Poké Ball too hard, so his claim is supported by other characters.
Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera
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ZA isn’t canon for a lot of reasons, that included. Jessie literally beat the shit out of her Seviper to catch it.
Dreepy’s Pokedex entry says a child can beat it
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It is canon beside its not like we have evidence to cross scale humans across worlds
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Ghengiroo115
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Can you list the reasons why you don’t think Z-A is canon?
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And what are those supposed "reasons"?
Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera
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That I don't like it /s
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You need a real reason. There's lots of entries in series that are reviled and usually deserve to be, sometimes to the point where their inclusion in the series actually damages or even completely ruins the whole story, but sadly they're still canon.
Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera
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I was joking. Obviously there are real reasons like them going back on Legends and mainline being parallel universes, Diantha not existing in this canon, etc, but I didn't exactly buy the game for very obvious reasons.
