Pokemon Discussion Thread - Red & Blue arc

[Dust_Collector]

Most of them really don't meet the minimum standards, like Charizard is one of the better profiles among normal Pokemon and there's a lotta stuff it's missing to meet our standards. No scans or proper justifications for scaling beyond "well charmander gives off the vibes of being comparable to Ryhorn", No scans or justifications at all for it's range, resistances and weaknesses rely on the reader already knowing the type match ups for Charizard and the damage alterations without linking to anything (At least with the moves it links to the wiki, the resistances just say "yeah it takes half damage from being hit by grass attacks", it's other weaknesses have no scans.

And like I said, Charizard is one of the better profiles. A large chunk of the profiles for example have P&A sections without a single scan to justify anything, not even a link to bulbapedia or something that says what their moveset does.

 

[Dust_Collector]

Just as an example of what we're dealing with;

Powers and Abilities: Superhuman Physical Characteristics, Bodily Weaponry (Teeth and Claws), Large Size (Type 0), True Flight, Teleportation, Spaceflight, Weather Manipulation (Negates any weather condition in its presence), Self-Sustenance (Type 1), Longevity, Non-Physical Interaction, Air Manipulation, Enhanced Senses, Rage Power and Berserk Mode (Via Outrage), Fear Manipulation, Earth Manipulation, Sound Manipulation, Immunity (within reason) to Earth Manipulation and Sleep Manipulation, Resistance to Water, Grass, Fire, Bug, and Fighting attacks, Resistance to Radiations, Statistics Amplification, Independent Mega Evolution (It does not need a Mega Stone at all, only needing to know Dragon Ascent), Ice Manipulation, Purification (Via Rest), Energy Manipulation, Spatial Manipulation (Can fire an energy beam that warps space), Darkness Manipulation, Healing, Possibility for Status Effect Inducement, Statistics Reduction | Same as base, but with additional abilities to create high-power wind in its presence, to dampen its weakness to Ice-based attacks and to remove its weakness to Rock-based attacks, Energy Absorption, Sealing, Light Manipulation, Resistance to Electricity-based attacks.

This is Rayquaza's P&A section. A legendary Pokemon, one of the most popular ones, and this is what is currently on the profile in big 2025.

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

I mean that's pretty comprehensive, though I'd add some scans.

 

[DaReaperMan]

I mean that's pretty comprehensive, though I'd add some scans.

It's putting resistances in the middle of the PnA, giving no justifications for 80% of it's abilities, like what do you MEAN it's comprehensive lmfao

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

It's putting resistances in the middle of the PnA, giving no justifications for 80% of it's abilities, like what do you MEAN it's comprehensive lmfao

That doesn't mean it's not comprehensive.

 

[Zyurtunder13]

That doesn't mean it's not comprehensive.

Buddy, your profiles are constantly made with subpart structure, no justifications and they don't follow the standard formats.
Like what's that Gloria's profile for example, where's the proof and justification of her being comparable to Mustard and "stronger" than Honey??
And the fact that you waste a lot of space in gallery bullshit instead of improving your profiles writing.

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

Buddy, your profiles are constantly made with subpart structure, no justifications and they don't follow the standard formats.
Like what's that Gloria's profile for example, where's the proof and justification of her being comparable to Mustard and "stronger" than Honey??
And the fact that you waste a lot of space in gallery bullshit instead of improving your profiles writing.

I didn't say she's directly comparable to Mustard. And she'd be stronger than Honey because Mustard is, not to mention Gloria is strong for the same reason Honey would be, except Gloria trains magnitudes more and Honey doesn't even have an Urshifu.
Sorry I show respect to my characters by making them more than weapons.

 

[Jinx666]

This may be a very controversial take, but maybe we should do a hard reset and bring this verse back down to basics. Keep all the important Pokémon and trainer profiles intact (anything either iconic, notable to the verse’s mythos or important for scaling), and then once those profiles are updated to be a much higher quality we can start bringing back everything else using the first set of profiles as a base. Right now most of the profiles are very outdated, and understandably no-one wants to go through hundreds of profiles to make sure they’re in tip-top shape. Nuking the verse entirely is not an option considering how huge the IP is, but massively reducing what needs to be worked on will make the task of improving it far less daunting.

Honestly for the best and i support it, but no one else rly is willing to do it.

I brought it up since thats how other verses with outdated and unorganised pages were fixing things with an overhaul, but people just weren't for it. Then we've got Sean who wont ever let go of that "We need more and more pages because they are armors in our crusade against Digimon!" mentality

Obviously we dont wipe all the pages, or even have to fix a good few of them, but the verse NEEDS to establish its standards, what the best feats are to link to (Not using that bad Golem dodging Solar Beam in Pokemon Go malarky), and an actual separation at least on the Games and Anime front. Then it needs to be enforced and not let any page that tries to claim anything outside the norm be left to sit.

 

[Jinx666]

I didn't say she's directly comparable to Mustard. And she'd be stronger than Honey because Mustard is, not to mention Gloria is strong for the same reason Honey would be, except Gloria trains magnitudes more and Honey doesn't even have an Urshifu.
Sorry I show respect to my characters by making them more than weapons.

They aint your characters bro

Tryna claim Honey isnt strong as if shes not the secret boss of the game, Mustards WIFE and clearly puts herself on the same high level as champions/strong trainers, then yeah its best not to demerit her.
Gloria owning an Urshifu doesn't mean anything to her physical scaling, and we can clearly see by comparison of their Dynamax throws that Honey IS in fact physically stronger, even if its a gag. The scaling is backwards

 

[Jinx666]

Masters is Secondary Canon, assuming that's what is agreed. AKA, if it contradicts something from mainline, Masters is what gets sniped.

Except
A) Sean is going to take this and deny that theres any contradictions in it, even attempting to overwrite canon. No matter how much proof you show him, he will never give in, and then no one is going to do anything abt it evidently when he does.
B) Given the few characters that would slip through the cracks with no contradictions, its then weird on the wiki's organising front to only have a partial amount of mainline profiles that follow Masters EX, while the majority dont. People aren't understanding the implications, you cant just consider it canon for 'certain characters' while they share the story, the whole medium in itself had to be considered canon.
C) Masters EX is its own isolated story, never mentioned in mainline, and is far better suited for separate profiles via this wiki's rules anyway. Giving it the okay to move into the mainline for reasons other than the 'character writing' (which is fine, but ultimately wouldnt affect stats) is just messy as opposed to delegating it into its own section and linking it to character disambiguations
D) Masters EX is ongoing and can contradict things at a whim, which no one else is bothering to follow along with (other than Sean, who will keep quiet abt it and refuse to see any contradiction). Its ergo safer to put that content in its own page so that we dont have to 'snipe' things on the mainline when it happens (requires a CRT apparently which never gets done or resolved timely). This goes for adding new content too.
E) Masters EX does its own interpretation of how the mainline games worked out for the characters. And they tend to split it between the male/female protagonists when that wouldnt make sense. This is literally only done for the sake of having both male/female protags coexist with eachother. All the more reason to separate it into its own page-space but mods are just going with 'yeah do whatever' in the first place.

Its all well and good saying 'Secondary Canon', but this is a whole ass separate game with crossover fanfic-based events, throwing around legendaries and mythicals to pretty much any character. There are issues with including it in mainline in general, that are easily mitigated by what literally every other applicable verse does (Makes separate versions of characters from continuities their own page).

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

They aint your characters bro

Oh, I'm sorry; the characters I make profiles for. You know what I mean.

Tryna claim Honey isnt strong as if shes not the secret boss of the game, Mustards WIFE and clearly puts herself on the same high level as champions/strong trainers, then yeah its best not to demerit her.

You know who else is a secret boss? Youngster Tristan in the SM games. A kid from Route 1 who is literally too young to be a Pokemon trainer, yet fighting at a Battle Tree level. Does that mean he's stronger than people like Masked Royal or, y'know, MOTHERBEAST? Also just because she's Mustard's wife doesn't mean she's physically comparable to him.

Gloria owning an Urshifu doesn't mean anything to her physical scaling, and we can clearly see by comparison of their Dynamax throws that Honey IS in fact physically stronger, even if its a gag. The scaling is backwards

It means she's completed her training and Honey hasn't, or trained in a lesser capacity. Oh, so it IS usable!

 

[Jinx666]

Oh, I'm sorry; the characters I make profiles for. You know what I mean.

You know who else is a secret boss? Youngster Tristan in the SM games. A kid from Route 1 who is literally too young to be a Pokemon trainer, yet fighting at a Battle Tree level. Does that mean he's stronger than people like Masked Royal or, y'know, MOTHERBEAST? Also just because she's Mustard's wife doesn't mean she's physically comparable to him.

Tristan isnt a secret boss, hes the same tier as every other champion challenger. And yeah, the guy trained to become a top trainer, clearly. It doesnt demerit anything because he got stronger
Shes more physically comparable to him than the 10 year old is, given that context is implying she is supernaturally strong.

Like youre LITERALLY using Honey's strength feat as a basis for giving the 10 year old a made-up lifting strenght term (with no calc mind you), then trying to claim that they are stronger than Honey because they completed training in regards to...owning a Pokemon?

It means she's completed her training and Honey hasn't, or trained in a lesser capacity. Oh, so it IS usable!

??? Honey was never gunning for owning Urshifu and shes not a student what?
Having a strong Pokemon doesnt mean you are physically stronger than anyone who doesnt lmfao what are you on???

 

[Zyurtunder13]

Tristan isnt a secret boss, hes the same tier as every other champion challenger. And yeah, the guy trained to become a top trainer, clearly. It doesnt demerit anything because he got stronger
Shes more physically comparable to him than the 10 year old is, given that context is implying she is supernaturally strong.

Like youre LITERALLY using Honey's strength feat as a basis for giving the 10 year old a made-up lifting strenght term (with no calc mind you), then trying to claim that they are stronger than Honey because they completed training in regards to...owning a Pokemon?

??? Honey was never gunning for owning Urshifu and shes not a student what?
Having a strong Pokemon doesnt mean you are physically stronger than anyone who doesnt lmfao what are you on???

Yeah, Sean is being really obtuse now, there's nothing in the game that implies that Honey is physically "weaker" than the player character or even her husband, for the contrary, the game suggest that she's indeed stronger than her husband physically

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

Tristan isnt a secret boss, hes the same tier as every other champion challenger. And yeah, the guy trained to become a top trainer, clearly. It doesnt demerit anything because he got stronger
Shes more physically comparable to him than the 10 year old is, given that context is implying she is supernaturally strong.

That makes him a secret boss. And why would he have trained physically?
Only in the context of real life, not in the context of Pokemon.You also just didn’t address Motherbeast.

Like youre LITERALLY using Honey's strength feat as a basis for giving the 10 year old a made-up lifting strenght term (with no calc mind you), then trying to claim that they are stronger than Honey because they completed training in regards to...owning a Pokemon?

Actually, basically all Pokemon trainers on this site are Class 10, this was just a supporting feat. Trainers obviously train their own bodies during his training too.

??? Honey was never gunning for owning Urshifu and shes not a student what?
Having a strong Pokemon doesnt mean you are physically stronger than anyone who doesnt lmfao what are you on???

Exactly my point. You also just didn’t address how I caught you saying it’s usable when before you said it’s a gag feat therefore it’s noncanon.

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

Yeah, Sean is being really obtuse now, there's nothing in the game that implies that Honey is physically "weaker" than the player character or even her husband, for the contrary, the game suggest that she's indeed stronger than her husband physically

Honey is the one with the AP feat, but multiple other Trainers should scale near or above her. Mustard for example is the closet human by far to mastering a Battle Style, and by the post-SwSh TCG expansions, has actually succeeded.

 

[Jinx666]

Idk why i need to address Motherbeast? Thats completely irrelevant to anything and i never claimed anyone was comparable to her. If you think Tristan scales to Motherbeast physically then you're mad idk what to say. The fact you're trying to even scale trainers physically based on the game progression of the POKEMON is wrong in itself
Idek what you're trying to gun for. You brought up this Tristan kid, not me? Can you explain what your point is exactly?

No, they dont what? You can make a case for fighting type gym leaders, and characters that actually admit to physical training, but just owning Pokemon doesnt suddenly make you Class 10. There is nothing directly to do with physical stamina training and being a Pokemon trainer whatsoever.

What are you even on about?
My point was that you cant say the trainer is automatically physically stronger than Honey, who as a gag is unexpectedly strong (and is responsible for the very feat you try and put others above her), just because they...own an Urshifu? Or you think they're physically stronger than Mustard just because they can beat them in a Pokemon Battle?
Skill in a Pokemon battle =/= the trainers physical strength whatsoever. Like, what are you trying to say here???

 

[Jinx666]

Honey is the one with the AP feat, but multiple other Trainers should scale near or above her. Mustard for example is the closet human by far to mastering a Battle Style, and by the post-SwSh TCG expansions, has actually succeeded.

No they shouldnt? You're just using her for an upscale when the game explicitly does not imply this in any way physically. Is this about the fact Tai kicked Red's ass physically in the DB animation or something?

You can literally COMPARE how they throw their Dynamax balls. Why is Gloria considered stronger than Honey when the animation itself proves they can nowhere near as casually throw it as Honey can? What possible physical merit can you prove on this basis?

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

Idk why i need to address Motherbeast? Thats completely irrelevant to anything and i never claimed anyone was comparable to her. If you think Tristan scales to Motherbeast physically then you're mad idk what to say. The fact you're trying to even scale trainers physically based on the game progression of the POKEMON is wrong in itself
Idek what you're trying to gun for. You brought up this Tristan kid, not me? Can you explain what your point is exactly?

Maybe because of the argument I just made about her?
Oh, you realized how stupid it was to scale by game progression and you’re trying to flip it around to make it look like I was making that point. Yeah no, one of your points was to scale Honey by game progression (which Gloria would win anyway lol) and I pointed out how Youngster Tristan has magnitudes stronger Pokemon yet lightyears weaker physicals to prove that’s not how human strength works.

No, they dont what? You can make a case for fighting type gym leaders, and characters that actually admit to physical training, but just owning Pokemon doesnt suddenly make you Class 10. There is nothing directly to do with physical stamina training and being a Pokemon trainer whatsoever.

Look at the trainer profiles on this site sometime, they’re a great read.

Also yes there is, because Trainers walk everywhere constantly, and Gym Leaders are fully legally allowed to put physical tests in their Gyms.

What are you even on about?
My point was that you cant say the trainer is automatically physically stronger than Honey, who as a gag is unexpectedly strong (and is responsible for the very feat you try and put others above her), just because they...own an Urshifu? Or you think they're physically stronger than Mustard just because they can beat them in a Pokemon Battle?
Skill in a Pokemon battle =/= the trainers physical strength whatsoever. Like, what are you trying to say here???

If Honey can do all that and she isn’t even a student, imagine what a graduated student like Gloria could do. Do you not know what upscaling is? And how did they get that Urshifu, Jinx?

Alright, what? I never said Gloria is stronger than Mustard. Quite the opposite, actually.

 

[Jinx666]

You're arguing a point i never claimed though, is the issue.
You're trying to say Honey is physically weaker because...you think she isnt particularly strong? even though its HER feat of strength you're assuming off of to try and scale the player to? Nothing to do with Lusamine or this Tristan kid

"Player characters are physically comparable to actual bodybuilding athletes because they walk everywhere'
Cant tell if this is your attempts at pokemon wanking or you dk how physical activity/exercise actually works.

???
Honey is literally the Dojo Matron? Thats above any student ranking what??? Shes literally Mustards WIFE and runs the dojo with him (heck she does more)
Why are we trying to claim Honey is on the same ranks as a student now?

Btw heres her literal League Card
"Honey wasn't a Trainer initially, but after spending time with Mustard, she tried it out on a whim. She quickly developed a talent for battle, and the rumor among dojo students is that she may even be on par with Mustard himself. Thanks to taking care of very powerful Pokémon at the dojo, Honey has also gained a lot of physical strength of her own. Now she can handle even powerful Pokémon, like Gallade."
Now wheres the proof that the player character would be physically stronger than her

 

[Zyurtunder13]

Now wheres the proof that the player character would be physically stronger than her

The answer is that there's no proof for the protagonist to be physically stronger than her at all.
Sean is just making shit up.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Except
A) Sean is going to take this and deny that theres any contradictions in it, even attempting to overwrite canon. No matter how much proof you show him, he will never give in, and then no one is going to do anything abt it evidently when he does.
B) Given the few characters that would slip through the cracks with no contradictions, its then weird on the wiki's organising front to only have a partial amount of mainline profiles that follow Masters EX, while the majority dont. People aren't understanding the implications, you cant just consider it canon for 'certain characters' while they share the story, the whole medium in itself had to be considered canon.
C) Masters EX is its own isolated story, never mentioned in mainline, and is far better suited for separate profiles via this wiki's rules anyway. Giving it the okay to move into the mainline for reasons other than the 'character writing' (which is fine, but ultimately wouldnt affect stats) is just messy as opposed to delegating it into its own section and linking it to character disambiguations
D) Masters EX is ongoing and can contradict things at a whim, which no one else is bothering to follow along with (other than Sean, who will keep quiet abt it and refuse to see any contradiction). Its ergo safer to put that content in its own page so that we dont have to 'snipe' things on the mainline when it happens (requires a CRT apparently which never gets done or resolved timely). This goes for adding new content too.
E) Masters EX does its own interpretation of how the mainline games worked out for the characters. And they tend to split it between the male/female protagonists when that wouldnt make sense. This is literally only done for the sake of having both male/female protags coexist with eachother. All the more reason to separate it into its own page-space but mods are just going with 'yeah do whatever' in the first place.

Its all well and good saying 'Secondary Canon', but this is a whole ass separate game with crossover fanfic-based events, throwing around legendaries and mythicals to pretty much any character. There are issues with including it in mainline in general, that are easily mitigated by what literally every other applicable verse does (Makes separate versions of characters from continuities their own page).

Yes, yes, you don't like Masters EX, we get it, sorry that something didn't go your way.

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

You're arguing a point i never claimed though, is the issue.
You're trying to say Honey is physically weaker because...you think she isnt particularly strong? even though its HER feat of strength you're assuming off of to try and scale the player to? Nothing to do with Lusamine or this Tristan kid

Oh, so you were just bullshitting when you talked about how she was the secret boss?

"Player characters are physically comparable to actual bodybuilding athletes because they walk everywhere'
Cant tell if this is your attempts at pokemon wanking or you dk how physical activity/exercise actually works.

Ridiculous strawman. You said trainers don't have stamina training and I proved you wrong.

???
Honey is literally the Dojo Matron? Thats above any student ranking what??? Shes literally Mustards WIFE and runs the dojo with him (heck she does more)
Why are we trying to claim Honey is on the same ranks as a student now?

Bro doesn't know what a matron is. "Chi-Chi is Goku's wife, of course she'd be multiversal!" That's how your logic sounds.

Btw heres her literal League Card
"Honey wasn't a Trainer initially, but after spending time with Mustard, she tried it out on a whim. She quickly developed a talent for battle, and the rumor among dojo students is that she may even be on par with Mustard himself. Thanks to taking care of very powerful Pokémon at the dojo, Honey has also gained a lot of physical strength of her own. Now she can handle even powerful Pokémon, like Gallade."
Now wheres the proof that the player character would be physically stronger than her

It clearly means her Pokemon team is on par with Mustard's, and Mustard's is stronger anyway as shown when he actually goes at full power. I'll give you three guesses as to who else takes care of very powerful Pokemon. Being able to... use Gallade in a fight is something Gloria could do a lifetime ago.
If only I literally just explained it 5 attoseconds ago.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Love how you addressed all the fluff, and not, ya know

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

Love how you addressed all the fluff, and not, ya know

The thing that... the characters upscale from?

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

The thing that... the characters upscale from?

Ah yes, clearly what the devs really meant to convey by animating her casually underhand toss a Dynamax Ball into the horizon at breakneck speed (Something no other trainer even comes close to doing) was that she’s actually weaker than the 10 year old protag, who needs both arms to throw it. I mean, obviously.

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

Ah yes, clearly what the devs really meant to convey by animating her casually underhand toss a Dynamax Ball into the horizon at breakneck speed (Something no other trainer even comes close to doing) was that she’s actually weaker than the 10 year old protag, who needs both arms to throw it. I mean, obviously.

Surprise surprise, Gloria is way stronger now than she was in the first gym when she started doing that animation.

 

[Dust_Collector]

You gonna post scans or link to anything that explictly shows this?

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Surprise surprise, Gloria is way stronger now than she was in the first gym when she started doing that animation.

I mean, duh! She got so much stronger that the animation stayed exactly the same.

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

You gonna post scans or link to anything that explictly shows this?

It should be obvious to anyone alive, given she trained at the dojo we're talking about, but yes.


She is stated multiple times to have trained her own mind and body, even training alongside Urshifu and sparring against other martial artists.

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

I mean, duh! She got so much stronger that the animation stayed exactly the same.

Gloria when she finds out she was supposed to throw the ball as hard as physically possible:

 

[DaReaperMan]

AKA: "I like Gloria more than Honey, so she HAS to be physically stronger!"

 

[Dust_Collector]

Is there any correlation between that training and how it compares to Honey? Is it shown to be a massive increase in strength to the point of making the protag scale to someone like her? Does it say or show that it makes the Protag stronger than Honey specifically?

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

AKA: "I like Gloria more than Honey, so she HAS to be physically stronger!"

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

Is there any correlation between that training and how it compares to Honey? Is it shown to be a massive increase in strength to the point of making the protag scale to someone like her? Does it say or show that it makes the Protag stronger than Honey specifically?

I'm going to repeat myself.

even training alongside Urshifu.

 

[DaReaperMan]

good, they're both lifting two-pound weights together

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

good, they're both lifting two-pound weights together

Gross.

 

[Imaginym]

good, they're both lifting two-pound weights together

As much as I dislike saying this, low-intensity-looking training isn't out of the realm of possibility for trainers training with their Pokemon, based on what we often see.

Bea, in an anime scene, trains (with Machamp.) by doing push-ups with a boulder on her back.
HG/SS Chuck trains by sitting, meditating under a waterfall. (As opposed to his cooler G/S/C self who breaks a boulder by throwing it onto a statue.).
Some trainers just spar with their Pokemon, which can be evidence of AP &/or SS.

But even without assuming the Pokemon aren't holding back with their human sparring partners, a lot of the training we see Pokemon Trainers do doesn't seem like it'd come even close to the LS the Pokemon themselves pull off.
& there's no reason a Pokemon in a sparring match with its trusted trainer wouldn't just let go when asked or if it notices it's overwhelming them in LS, rather than say, strangling/choking or crushing them or whatnot.

 

[Jinx666]

Now prove Gloria showing any form of physical feat that suggests she is physically stronger/comparable to the character they actively portray as unnaturally and surprisingly strong. Instead of just assuming its the case because you like the ten year old more.

Training a 'strong pokemon' does not correlate with the characters own physical strength. I thought this was obvious. The trainers role in a Pokemon battle is the strategy and the commands, not the actual fighting.

Training Urshifu, like any other pokemon, doesn't require you to physically square up to it yourself.

How is this even being discussed?

 

[Jinx666]

Also @Imaginym if we're gonna be closing that Masters thread, any of Sean's future profiles that mix Masters EX info with the mainline had better be looked over and properly judged for accuracy atp (the main concern). This all started cause he thought he could get away with inserting Masters EX info to the point he was ruling it over the canon

Its still a cop out nonetheless to rule it as 'yeah do whatever feels right for the character' when including Masters EX in only a portion of mainline (while disregarding it in others) is just a messy approach (especially when Masters EX is still ongoing and subject to change). But its w/e, there will more than likely always be a contradiction to the mainline that will disprove Masters EX following the same continuity, as long as people are actually vigilant about it and will floodgate future profiles from bearing less quality. Just means people have to slog through the games content to find it.

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

Also @Imaginym if we're gonna be closing that Masters thread, any of Sean's future profiles that mix Masters EX info with the mainline had better be looked over and properly judged for accuracy atp (the main concern). This all started cause he thought he could get away with inserting Masters EX info to the point he was ruling it over the canon

Its still a cop out nonetheless to rule it as 'yeah do whatever feels right for the character' when including Masters EX in only a portion of mainline (while disregarding it in others) is just a messy approach (especially when Masters EX is still ongoing and subject to change). But its w/e, there will more than likely always be a contradiction to the mainline that will disprove Masters EX following the same continuity, as long as people are actually vigilant about it and will floodgate future profiles from bearing less quality.

Thankfully you'll be there to yell at me when it's not made exactly the way you want it