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Pokemon Discussion Thread - Red & Blue arc

garbage opinion 1 vs. garbage opinion 2

Yeah no I'mma finish my Ho-Oh thing and pull out of this site, I was thinking for a second to do one last hoorah with a pure 2-A upgrade but no, if that's what i'd be leaving it in then it ain't worth it.
"Legends ZA is canon" is a garbage 'opinion'? Yeah okay

Its probably best you dont try and upgrade a verse you dont know what the factual canon is. Its not like yall havent let Sean run around and write over the verse as he pleases
 
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"Legends ZA is canon" is a garbage 'opinion'.

Its probably best you dont try and upgrade a verse you dont know what the factual canon is. Its not like yall havent let Sean run around and write over the verse as he pleases
You're telling that to the person who led the charge to un-split the Pokemon canon, btw.

Name a time I've written on the verse significantly at all other than my Masters CRT.
 
Sean idc about your lore lmbr. I wasnt even talking or referring to you, we all know why you want to unsplit the canon (so you can composite Pokemon and yet even then, they still dont beat Digimon tiers as far as this wiki states). Idek who this Arceus guy is other than hes innappropriate

All i know is that you're skewing the canon (no matter how much of a canon split there is, there IS a mainline, and Games/Anime are separate), making messy scrollfest pages that dont follow the rules, and then no one calling you out for it despite apparently disagreeing w/ you. And thats excluding all the notorious and frankly disgusting things abt you that are off-site.
 
Sean i dont gaf about your lore lmbr. I wasnt even talking or referring to you, we all know why you want to unsplit the canon (so you can composite Pokemon and yet even then, they still dont beat Digimon tiers as far as this wiki states). Idek who this Arceus guy is other than hes innappropriate
Damn, I guess the only reputation anyone can garner on this site is the stuff that you see. Want to? He already did it, remember? The canon split was undone half a year ago. Why do you even keep bringing up Digimon? My hatred of them and their wank is kept exclusively off-site. "This Arceus guy" has been a Pokemon debater longer than me, and while his drive to improve the verse is mostly gone at this point, he's one of our best informants.
All i know is that you're skewing the canon, making messy scrollfest pages that dont follow the rules, and then no one calling you out for it despite apparently disagreeing w/ you. And thats excluding all the notorious and frankly disgusting things abt you that are off-site.
And you're a net negative to Pokemon's VS community. See how we can both play the blame game here?

I never skewed the canon. Everything I've done has been completely within this site's parameters for Pokemon canon. I don't remember not using tabbers being against the rules. Just because people slightly agree with you doesn't mean they completely disagree with me. Off-site stuff is kept off-site, according to VSBW rules.
 
Yeah idc what you have to say about him, is what im saying. I wasn't around during this canon split (and i doubt it was half a year ago since Pokemon profiles haven't even changed), and with how long and tedious this wiki's CRT process is + Pokemon's lack of engagement in this wiki, theres 0 point trying to explain or change something as obviously wrong as 'Everything in Pokemon is canon' when ppls minds are already made up. It makes things easier because Pokemon is a complicated verse, but you gotta ask yourself to what end, and who it enables

Tabbers have nothing to do with the Pokemon's canon. Thats a persoanl gripe i have regarding your formatting, but it's not like this verse has any consistent formatting. The actual examples are you trying decanonising SwSh's ending to fit Masters EX, and are now claiming ZA isnt canon so i think you are personally. And then apparently this isn't the only verse you've been trying it with.

Yeah and as you've noticed i haven't brought any of that 'offsite' up, even though you seem to clearly know what im talking about and its also why I dislike you to put it lightly (+ why i dont appreciate anyone making weird jokes about you and me).
 
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Yeah idc what you have to say about him, is what im saying. I wasn't around during this canon split (and i doubt it was half a year ago since Pokemon profiles haven't even changed), and with how long and tedious this wiki's CRT process is + Pokemon's lack of engagement in this wiki, theres 0 point trying to explain or change something as obviously wrong as 'Everything in Pokemon is canon' when ppls minds are already made up. It makes things easier because Pokemon is a complicated verse, but you gotta ask yourself to what end, and who it enables
The profiles didn’t get changed when the split happened either
Tabbers have nothing to do with the Pokemon's canon. Thats a persoanl gripe i have regarding your formatting, but it's not like this verse has any consistent formatting. The actual examples are you trying decanonising SwSh's ending to fit Masters EX, and are now claiming ZA isnt canon so i think you are personally. And then apparently this isn't the only verse you've been trying it with.
…You just tried telling me it was against the rules. Good thing Masters is secondary canon now, huh? And Z-A isn’t even considered canon yet on this site, people are just kinda praying it does because it has lazy amps for characters. I point out that the BotW canon literally cannot fit anywhere in the timeline. Their resident powerscaler turns into the Incredible Hulk. Huge falling-out for everyone.
Yeah and as you've noticed i haven't brought any of that 'offsite' up, even though you seem to clearly know what im talking about and its also why I dislike you to put it lightly (+ why i dont appreciate anyone making weird jokes about you and me).
Yes, I sure remember when I was online and said mean things.
 
…You just tried telling me it was against the rules. Good thing Masters is secondary canon now, huh? And Z-A isn’t even considered canon yet on this site, people are just kinda praying it does because it has lazy amps for characters. I point out that the BotW canon literally cannot fit anywhere in the timeline. Their resident powerscaler turns into the Incredible Hulk. Huge falling-out for everyone.
You trying to skew the canon that hasnt been discussed was against the rules yeah. Your lack of tabbers is just a formatting issue but nothing 'against the rules', i wasn't even talking abt that lol

Legends ZA is a mainline console game that directly takes place 5 years after XY (a canon game), as a direct sequel. so yes, its canon. You haven't had a single person tell you otherwise
Yes, I sure remember when I was online and said mean things.
Yeah, 'mean things'
 
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…You just tried telling me it was against the rules. Good thing Masters is secondary canon now, huh? And Z-A isn’t even considered canon yet on this site, people are just kinda praying it does because it has lazy amps for characters. I point out that the BotW canon literally cannot fit anywhere in the timeline...
Buddy, you're literally the only one on this thread that doesn't consider ZA as canon, and nobody is agreeing with you in taking a MAINLINE/CORE game as "no canon".
Also your BoTW point is dumb as hell, there's literally nothing in Legends ZA that contradicts or damages the lore and canon of the mainline series.
 
Alright, let's see... Sean and Jinx arguing like an old married couple again, nobody actually discussing the new game in the series because of their blood feud, and them screeching at eachother for the current state of the verse.

Seems like normal.

Anyways, the new fall syncs in Masters are... just bad? Weird combos, not good stories, etc, and Z-A's story is great so I might be a little biased.
 
Yeah and i know why you chose to word it that way after whats already happened, you're not slick. Just desperate af for attention

Stop associating me with that creep.
 
If you don't want to be associated with Sean why does every Pokémon thread you're both in have pages of you two giving Skeletor and He-Man a run for their money in the bickering department?

Like, I have no clue what you're on about on the comparison here, am I to know every detail that happens to ya?
 
Cause the rest of you (or w/e parties are involved) let Pazdera do whatever the heck he wants to the verse and I call it out? Like if no one else is going to do anything and leave him to say/write whatever he wants, then stop complaining when i do it? Enabling central

Lets not pretend like you aren't lurking this forum 24/7 trying to add some lame reddit humor comment anyway. You quite literally followed me here just to spy on the discussion and now you're pretending like you're tired of it?? Just keep your creepy comments to yourself
 
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Okay, and? Like, genuinely, and?

I have other things I like to do than lurk on this forum, espeically in October when I have a seasonal job lol
 
Cause the rest of you (or w/e parties are involved) let Pazdera do whatever the heck he wants to the verse and I call it out? Like if no one else is going to do anything and leave him to say/write whatever he wants, then stop complaining when i do it? Enabling central
Nothing wrong with calling it out in his CRTs, but here, it's kinda pointless? Nothing’s getting applied, and I severally doubt you're convincing him.
 
Okay, and? Like, genuinely, and?
its the vs battle wiki. People talk about the verses and powerscaling. Stop whining when i do
I know YOU dgaf and you're just here to be around ppl but im here for the actual verse.
I have other things I like to do than lurk on this forum, espeically in October when I have a seasonal job lol
bro i did not ask. Genuinely, go talk to your friends abt this.
Nothing wrong with calling it out in his CRTs, but here, it's kinda pointless? Nothing’s getting applied, and I severally doubt you're convincing him.
the convo gets split into these threads. Its this thread that hes now trying to make the bizarre claim that Legends ZA isnt canon, and although people dont agree, thats not gonna stop him in his profile making that no one will call out or bother to fix.

Im not trying to 'convince him', obviously. Hes a lost cause, but its annoying how much leeway you all give him when hes proven time and time again what he believes in for this verse is just shockingly wrong.
 
the convo gets split past them. Its this thread that hes now trying to make the bizarre claim that Legends ZA isnt canon, and although people dont agree, thats not gonna stop him in his profile making that no one will call out or bother to fix.

Im not trying to 'convince him', obviously. Hes a lost cause, but its annoying how much leeway you all give him when hes proven time and time again what he believes in for this verse is just shockingly wrong.
we can't exactly stop him unless he breaks a rule and here is the thing he isn't.

Also he is a stubborn individual who if I recall correctly was previously banned for confessing his attempts to intentionally stonewall threads.
 
Nothing wrong with calling it out in his CRTs, but here, it's kinda pointless? Nothing’s getting applied, and I severally doubt you're convincing him.
This. Youre just arguing for arguring sake. All i ever see you do is argure. And then you act like you are the only person disagreeing with him and without you he would ruin the verse. Which just isnt the case, other people have disagreed and brought up counter agurements in his CRTs.

Reapers also been active in this thread for a good long while. You really think he came here just for you? Thats basically a victim complex. Everything anyone says you take as a personal attack and lash out. Youre so rude to everyone that responds to you its incredible.
 
Do think it's been entirely Pokémon related, so definitely ain't that.
My point still stands if you dont wanna be associated with them. Dont associate with them and constantly argure with them day in day out, if sean is somewhere talking about pokemon jinx will soon follow. I wish both of them would stop ruining this thread as well with the same tired agurement.
 
Every thread i see Sean in you are also there starting an agurement with them. If you dont want to associate with them. Then maybe stop following them thread to thread.
They have differing opinions on topics they are both interested in. Effectively forcing one of the two to ban themselves from threads the other is a part of isn't exactly fair.
Stop associating me with that creep.
I don't think calling Sean a creep is warranted that said I recommend just engaging with other people in threads. I would be willing to discuss our reasoning for scaling characters based on their point in game progression from my understanding of the subject.
 
They have differing opinions on topics they are both interested in. Effectively forcing one of the two to ban themselves from threads the other is a part of isn't exactly fair.
I agree with that, i am not saying it kinda hyperbole. That yes you are going to be assiocited with them if you are consantly debating them, thats the reality of the siatuion.
 
My point still stands if you dont wanna be associated with them. Dont associate with them and constantly argure with them day in day out, if sean is somewhere talking about pokemon jinx will soon follow. I wish both of them would stop ruining this thread as well with the same tired agurement.
No, it doesnt

Its about the verse. You guys might be complacent in letting Pazdera do what they want and make more profiles/claims that dont follow, but i'm not.
So yeah, i'll argue it. This is a powerscaling site first and foremost
 
No, it doesnt

Its about the verse. You guys might be complacent in letting Pazdera do what they want and make more profiles/claims that dont follow, but i'm not.
So yeah, i'll argue it. This is a powerscaling site first and foremost
people do though? people in this thread have disagreed with him. others have disagreed with him in his crts inculding staff. you arent the last bastion protecting pokemon on this site lol. and even if you were you constantly aruging with him in this thread isnt doing anything towards that goal anyways.
 
I don't think calling Sean a creep is warranted that said I recommend just engaging with other people in threads. I would be willing to discuss our reasoning for scaling characters based on their point in game progression from my understanding of the subject.
Hes a creep for other reasons off this wiki. I wouldn't try defending him on that one.

I'm not going into it cause this isn't the place, but yeah, theres a genuine reason to dislike him outside of vs battle claims.
 
people do though? people in this thread have disagreed with him. others have disagreed with him in his crts inculding staff. you arent the last bastion protecting pokemon on this site lol. and even if you were you constantly aruging with him in this thread isnt doing anything towards that goal anyways.
Dont put words in my mouth? This verse however just is NOT supported and theres not enough garnering for support. Im not here to be your 'bastion of support', i'll just happily argue against what Sean is trying to put forward (thats steeped in his 'crusade against Digimon', canon skewing and taking every small statement literally').

Y'all can disagree with him all you want but no one woulda noticed that Masters Ex stuff, or the other shaky reasonings he puts on his profiles if i didn't kick up a fuss abt it. Dont rag on the messenger atp

It doesn't help that hes being deluded into thinking he's made Masters EX canon on this wiki (with 2 mods just voting for 'yeah do whatever mix the mainline' essentially), which only means more obnoxious profiling no one will do anything abt. Its annoying how this verse isnt managed properly.
 
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Dont put words in my mouth? This verse however just is NOT supported and theres not enough garnering for support. Im not here to be your 'bastion of support', i'll just happily argue against what Sean is trying to put forward (thats steeped in his 'crusade against Digimon', canon skewing and taking every small statement literally').
Yet you hate when I garner for support. Literally only you talk about Digimon at this point, I say one small thing about how the PvD Death Battle was the worst day of my life and then to this day you're talking about how I'm on some crusade. I only approach canon the way that the site does, albeit with a couple additions the cosmology blogs didn't think of. I don't see a figurative way any of the statements could be taken.
Y'all can disagree with him all you want but no one woulda noticed that Masters Ex stuff, or the other shaky reasonings he puts on his profiles if i didn't kick up a fuss abt it. Dont rag on the messenger atp
...The CRT with 10 agreements on it?
It doesn't help that hes being deluded into thinking he's made Masters EX canon on this wiki (with 2 mods just voting for 'yeah do whatever mix the mainline' essentially), which only means more obnoxious profiling no one will do anything abt. Its annoying how this verse isnt managed properly.
Seems pretty official to me.
 
Hes a creep for other reasons off this wiki. I wouldn't try defending him on that one.

I'm not going into it cause this isn't the place, but yeah, theres a genuine reason to dislike him outside of vs battle claims.
I am unaware anything but okay. Carry on I guess
 
This may be a very controversial take, but maybe we should do a hard reset and bring this verse back down to basics. Keep all the important Pokémon and trainer profiles intact (anything either iconic, notable to the verse’s mythos or important for scaling), and then once those profiles are updated to be a much higher quality we can start bringing back everything else using the first set of profiles as a base. Right now most of the profiles are very outdated, and understandably no-one wants to go through hundreds of profiles to make sure they’re in tip-top shape. Nuking the verse entirely is not an option considering how huge the IP is, but massively reducing what needs to be worked on will make the task of improving it far less daunting.
 
This may be a very controversial take, but maybe we should do a hard reset and bring this verse back down to basics. Keep all the important Pokémon and trainer profiles intact (anything either iconic, notable to the verse’s mythos or important for scaling), and then once those profiles are updated to be a much higher quality we can start bringing back everything else using the first set of profiles as a base. Right now most of the profiles are very outdated, and understandably no-one wants to go through hundreds of profiles to make sure they’re in tip-top shape. Nuking the verse entirely is not an option considering how huge the IP is, but massively reducing what needs to be worked on will make the task of improving it far less daunting.
We're not killing the Flood here. Even outdated they still easily fit the minimum standards for this site. We only have to go through the verse once, right?
 
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