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Debunk it or shut up.This is like, the biggest joke a Pokemon powerscaler could make, literally infamous. It exposes how desperately you want this verse to be FTL
Start being critical
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Pokemon Discussion Thread - Red & Blue arc
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Thats called a UI.
Theres no conscious decision in the games where they make a Pokemon actively set dodge a solar beam afaik. This is game mechanics and it has no place in a serious discussion abt this verse
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Debunk Diglett being 'Lightspeed' because of the anime dialogue??? With NOTHING in the mainline canon saying anything of the sort?
Not that i couldnt, but its physically impossible for you to change your mind, let alone understand hyperbole. So why should i bother?
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All of this is from the Anime or the Manga. Thats fine ig, but profiles shouldnt decide the pokemon Stats based on the anime. Since the anime is absolutely the worst in consistency at this.
Anime and Manga are NOT mainline, and go in their own separate continuity. Having an 'Ash reference' doesnt make the Pokemon Anime canon to the main games
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And what's your evidence that it's not mainline?
By that logic, Pokemon Legends Arceus and the upcoming Pokemon Legends ZA shouldn't be used either.
The whole point of Pokemon is to "Catch 'em All." You cannot do that without Pokemon Go. Also, it's an in-universe thing that you can trade between universes with stuff like "Link Cables" and Pokemon Bank.
By the same logic, we shouldn't count Pokemon Colosseum or Pokemon Ranger either since the only connections to main games are the Jirachi and Manaphy you can trade over (which are the only ways to get those Pokemon for those generations).
Somebody could recalc it.
We already do, the pages just have to be updated.
Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera
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Other than them showing how fast it is in the episode?
Gary literally says verbatim exactly how fast they are in the episode lmfao. Yeah, it's me who can't change his mind.
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Ok.
Did you read the blogs?
Pokémon Canon: A Overview
Introduction This is a response to some revisions regarding Pokémon some years ago in terms of how its canon works. Many of the claims are ignoring vital things such as context, consistency and any semblance of unbiased judgment, or being flat out wrong. such as the many claims made regarding e...
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Response to Ayewhale's Revision
I want to take a moment to thank my fellow Pokémon supporters for all the hard work they’ve put into this thread. While we all contributed, I’m adding my concurrent response to Ayewhale’s post. It won’t be as comprehensive as the OP’s post, but I figure it’s worth it nonetheless. With that prelud...
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An enabler of what?
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He just wants to be right.
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If you feel that way, you'll have to make a CRT to split everything again.
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Probably the ******* fact its a mobile game and not a standard console one?
??? Both of those are mainline lmfao
Yeah, you can actually in lore? You're actually jsut not considering Pokemon as a fictional verse anymore
Both of those sound fine.
Both of those are actual games rather than you deadass trying to canonize a mobile game based in the REAL WORLD. with the worst battle system of all time
Why dont you find something actually substantial instead of desperately trying to wank this and treat a mobile game as canon to the mainline
You are beyond saving fr
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As if i can do anything here with ppl like you chipping in
Ive got a life, this shit is quite literally the dumbest thing someone can attempt on this site atp
Either way, the 'Everything is canon' sounds like just a bs reasoning so that making profiles is just easier rather than following what the actual games give. Like, anyone with a brain in this verse can tell you that the Games and the mainline Anime dont work in the same timeline. anyone can tell you that Masters EX is a non-canon crossover game. Anyone can tell you Pokemon Go is quite literally NOT part of the main storyline. Lets Go Pikachu and Eevee are literally in a separate continuity to the original RB as we can obv tell
I get we can mix things in like Ranger and Conquest, but lets please use our brains and rank this verse fairly instead of trying to make the Verse FTL off a Pokemon Go animation
Deadass, the pokemon arent even SCALED right in Raid battles, what makes you think this is a valid calc
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The only work he'll do is insulting other peoples' scaling.
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My guy we don't rely on author intent. It can happen so we will consider it it is also not the only light based move flash cannon, signal beam, power gem, solar blade, flash, confuse ray, and probably more.
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Yeah, i have. You can write all the words you want but it doesnt distract from the obvious. Like the Games and the Anime being separate.
An enabler of trolls and compromising the integrity of scaling. You sitting here saying its valid to mix Masters EX canon with the rest.
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'We dont rely on author intent, we just rely on game mechanics that dont actually align with the canon' Plz shut upppp.
Bro deadass saw the 'Ray' in confuse ray and took it literal. How tf is Power Gem here? All of these 100% accuracy moves like
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Yeah, you suck at it. You're biased and not critical of the dumbass hyperboles entirely, all for the sake of wanking the verse. (Esp when you shouldn't need to? This verse should have loads of valid FTL feats)
Sorry?
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So? What does that have to do with if it's canon or not?
By the logic you've been using (the Pokemon exclusive to it don't have to be transferred from it to be caught in lore in the main games, and the battle systems are different), they would be non-canon.
Sure, but that's not relevant for this conversation. What we're talking about is what Game Freak considers as canon (which is everything, but that's besides the point), which is what you need to connect to to complete the Pokedex in reality.
The only reason they are considered canon is because you can transfer Pokemon from them to the mainline games. It's the exact same situation as Pokemon Go.
Please, honestly tell me that, would you argue that Go is non-canon if it was the exact same, but a console video game instead of a mobile game?
Sure, but that's not really what I care about at the moment. I just care that you're trying to argue that Go isn't canon.
Like I said earlier, don't be rude.
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"All your feats are wank and hyperbole bro trust me, only my list of feats pre-approved my me are usable. No I won't tell you what they are"
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You are beyond saving and are just being an obstacle in this verse getting any decent revamp done.
Like deadass how is it possible to take Pokemon Go as mainline canon seriously???
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Finally, something report worthy.
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I never claimed or stated i had any feats whatsoever. Meanwhile you think a Lawn Mower is relativistic because of a Bayleef.
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Ive said literally nothing of the sort for it being report worthy lmao.
But thanks for confirming you were trying to bait and fish for it
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Oof, now you're against Relativistic Pokemon too. I knew it was just you trying to troll.
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Strawman argument, all I'm doing is debunking bad arguments.
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You can make a CRT without worrying about that.As if i can do anything here with ppl like you chipping in
Ok.
Pokémon: Nearly Everything is Canon
As some may recall, years ago a sort of canon split was done across all Pokémon media, considering each series, including the manga and animes, as separate canons. However, the reasons for this are questionable and simply go against the overall way the canon for the series works. There are...
If you felt that strongly about it, you should've talked about this on the thread (that was open for half a year, mind you) where everything was made canon again.
Then make a thread to get it removed.I get we can mix things in like Ranger and Conquest, but lets please use our brains and rank this verse fairly instead of trying to make the Verse FTL off a Pokemon Go animation
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You quite literally went 'Oooo finally, something report worthy'
I mean i understand you don't understand the actual media/words you're reading but cmon
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Diplomas have literal images,
The player character often decides on things without the player's choice. There is literally a cutscene & special content for completing Platinum's regional Pokedex.
The player character is made to self-insert, but they still have their own histories, home lives, family, implied dialogue, etc. They are not a projection of the actual player, they're a mostly blank slate.
I never specified when to make said profile(s). If other things need to be resolved first, then fine. Also, they really aren't that complicated, you just have to specify which groups of Pokemon they (likely) obtain, be that a regional dex or otherwise.
On the last point, either you've misinterpreted or misrepresented my words. My verbatim words on the matter, for context:
"I strongly disagree. My stance is that a mobile spin-off game with so many contradictions with the main canon should not dictate how the protagonists are.
If you want Masters Ex versions, make them their own profiles or keys on that shared protagonist profiles. You should, because by your standard, they're individuals; They're not "OCs" with known dialogue & Pokemon. You saw what Pokemon they pick, & the dialogue.
However, Pokemon's setting is a multiverse, & I think Masters Ex contradicts what the primary canon establishes too much to be considered primary, or even mixed with main game content.
I suggest we agree to disagree. I've read the last few pages of arguments, & I've already resolved to a firm stance.
I have my doubts it would be productive or pleasant for either of us to debate this matter further.
Despite our disagreements, I wish you well, & good luck."
If you want Masters Ex versions, make them their own profiles or keys on that shared protagonist profiles. You should, because by your standard, they're individuals; They're not "OCs" with known dialogue & Pokemon. You saw what Pokemon they pick, & the dialogue.
However, Pokemon's setting is a multiverse, & I think Masters Ex contradicts what the primary canon establishes too much to be considered primary, or even mixed with main game content.
I suggest we agree to disagree. I've read the last few pages of arguments, & I've already resolved to a firm stance.
I have my doubts it would be productive or pleasant for either of us to debate this matter further.
Despite our disagreements, I wish you well, & good luck."
To paraphrase to make a point, I'm unopposed if you want to make Masters EX Profiles, but do NOT pretend that Masters EX Canon should supercede the main game, or something like that. The main games are, IMHO, equally if not more valid than the mobile spin-off with somehow everyone all showing up.
I think the player characters should have a profile based on the main game stuff, & that there is evidence. It may take a lot of 'verse clean up, but they do NOT need to be as bloated as you imagine, certainly not all the P&A of everything, & even if they did, comprehensiveness is of the utmost priority.
& since it seems that it bears repeating, I will repeat myself:
"I have my doubts it would be productive or pleasant for either of us to debate this matter further."
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Again, that's not what's accepted on the site. If you want to change that, make a CRT/
Please, tell me how I "enable trolls" and "compromise the integrity of scaling" when I'm just telling you what's currently accepted on the site?
I already agreed with you that it wasn't mainline. I just said it was canon to the franchise (it doesn't even affect scaling of normal Pokemon).
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That doesn't mean I was waiting for it, much less even trying to bait it out. What a stupid attempt at turning this back on me.
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Plz stop trying to be ignorantPokémon: Nearly Everything is Canon
As some may recall, years ago a sort of canon split was done across all Pokémon media, considering each series, including the manga and animes, as separate canons. However, the reasons for this are questionable and simply go against the overall way the canon for the series works. There are...vsbattles.com
If you felt that strongly about it, you should've talked about this on the thread (that was open for half a year, mind you) where everything was made canon again.
I dont live on Pokemon Vs battles wiki forum, and am not present as this hugely messy and unorganised verse is now deciding to make 'Everything Canon' for the sake of pure bs. Like its so dumb.
As if theres anything in this world capable of convincing you somehow
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Dude, this is a discussion thread; I'm not being an obstacle to anything. If you want to make changes and make CRT's, I'm not stopping you. None of what we argue about here has any effect on the verse unless you make CRT's or pages.
If you want to change that, make a content revision thread.
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I mean one I am willing to bet more people care about the anime than the games. The idea is that everything takes place in the multiverse and across most of the multiverse pokemon are capable of similar things. The trainers should be split across worlds though. We can composite species thanks to that.
There is no dialogue saying it should not work and evidence indicates it is possible so it seems entirely reasonable to accept it.
The stadium games say confuse ray is light based and pretty much everything says power gem is light based. The dodge mechanicBro deadass saw the 'Ray' in confuse ray and took it literal. How tf is Power Gem here? All of these 100% accuracy moves like
It was one canon for most of the site's life.
I don't think you should be flinging insults either.
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I never said you had to live on the forum or the Pokemon side. I'm just letting you know that this has been going on for the past half a year, so you had plenty of time to potentially see it.
My vote has no effect on CRT's; I'm only a blue-name (a regular member). The only people's votes that matter for getting a content revision thread passed are the staffs'.
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They have nothing substantial or profile worthy on this wiki. This is about power scaling, and all you'd be doing is enabling ppl to put their Pokemon playthroughs in a verse thread
Yeah, it is. Everything about this verse is complicated
If you want to do it right that is
I deadass didnt respond or read any of this no. I told you i was abridging, im not here to waste more time than i need to.
I'll respond to any repsonse you give. Its on you if you want to continue with that but I deadass am not tryna be silenced by you.[/spoiler]
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Okay and quite frankly whats the point in trying to argue when theres so many pokemon fans here who desperately just want to make Pokemon appear as composite power in general, that they want to mix in anime timelines.
Okay stop saying irrelevant stuff now. I dont think i wanna respond to you anymore
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Orrr you're just arguing in bad faith because you don't want to use the games you don't like.
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Yeah, and thats a clear problem.
You're stuck in the past. Things need to clearly improve.
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Maybe you just want to use ALL the games that clearly arent mainline to wank idk
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I mean we would finally be allowed to give pokemon TMs and Items.
Why
The verse basically died when the split happened the only reason things are actually happening again is because we undid the split.
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Games don't need to be mainline to be canon to it.
