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I would say lower, considering the visibility of mountain ranges that only elevate for 2500m in real life France.
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Pokémon: Abomasnow's Storm downgrade
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So err....maybe a highlight or messaging other calc members is needed?
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Wideshot 1
- Mountain = 5px (mispelt it as 6) = ~2500m
- Island = 26px = 13km
- Island = 39px = 13km
- Kalos n-s = 676px = 225 kilometers.
- 5px = 4800m
- 26px = 24960m.
- 39px = 25km
- 676px = 433 kilometers.
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And you're not scaling to the curvature because..? Lol even in the original calc everyone agrees that the space angle proves Kalos is gigantic.
Also, keep in mind that I already admitted I was wrong about 79km being the size of Dendemville Town, but it being the size + the distance from Frost Cavern to the town.
Also, keep in mind that I already admitted I was wrong about 79km being the size of Dendemville Town, but it being the size + the distance from Frost Cavern to the town.
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Considering the literal largest mountain in France used with the smallest mountain visible in the Kalos wideshot still has Kalos below 500km, that is more like evidence of the exact opposite regarding the Earth.
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Even putting that aside for now, what does this have to do with the distance from Frost Cavern to the ends of the town being 80 km? Aside from the town being 12 km in length (which frankly, sounds correct tbh), nothing aside from arguments of incredulity disprove the size of the storm.
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Arguments of "scans?", considering the 79540m is just quoted and is not sourced absolutely anywhere and is contradicted by nearly all existing shots of Kalos.
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Funny thing is, using 492 km as the size for Kalos, the distance between Frost Cavern and windmill town's end is approximately 1/6 of the pixels you measured.
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Also, that shot you posted above of Kalos from low orbit would make it 2600 kilometers from North to South. Which is bigger than Australia from north to south.
Which means the smallest mountain..this mountain would be literally 30 kilometers in height, with the largest ones visible in this shot being more than 50 kilometers.
The Earth and outer space are separated by 100 kilometers. These mountains would literally be so tall they would reach halfway into the Karman line. This is what they'd look like if they existed.
Not only that, but now all cities that are portrayed as a few kilometers are giants of nearly a hundred kilometers, with Lumiose City, the city that is consistently not even 34km across being nearly 200km long. Random civilians living in the other side would take 10 hours to walk to their destinations, with the average guy taking 5 hours to walk to their jobs. Cars going at the maximum allowed speed would take over one hour to travel the city's radius.
It is absolutely a non argument and non usable.
Which means the smallest mountain..this mountain would be literally 30 kilometers in height, with the largest ones visible in this shot being more than 50 kilometers.
The Earth and outer space are separated by 100 kilometers. These mountains would literally be so tall they would reach halfway into the Karman line. This is what they'd look like if they existed.
Not only that, but now all cities that are portrayed as a few kilometers are giants of nearly a hundred kilometers, with Lumiose City, the city that is consistently not even 34km across being nearly 200km long. Random civilians living in the other side would take 10 hours to walk to their destinations, with the average guy taking 5 hours to walk to their jobs. Cars going at the maximum allowed speed would take over one hour to travel the city's radius.
It is absolutely a non argument and non usable.
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>Consistently
Apparently one calc means it's consistently a size.
Also, having a giant planet ain't something we haven't talked about. I wouldn't argue for it, but still, calling that a non argument and being non usable is outright wrong.
Apparently one calc means it's consistently a size.
Also, having a giant planet ain't something we haven't talked about. I wouldn't argue for it, but still, calling that a non argument and being non usable is outright wrong.
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Also, scratch what I said about hours and add days. The average journey in a day is 40 kilometers, so the average guy will take over 4 days to walk to his job on Lumiose City.
Sounds excellent. Consistent with the many shots that prove it's not even 30km. Oh wait...
Sounds excellent. Consistent with the many shots that prove it's not even 30km. Oh wait...
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>Many shotsKepekley23 said:
>Only provides one
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Second shot
Third shot
All wideshots of Lumiose show the mountains from less or a couple more than 100m up
Third shot
All wideshots of Lumiose show the mountains from less or a couple more than 100m up
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And these mountains are not even in the actual horizon line in the third shot. They're obscuring it. And that makes it even more consistent because that's the highest wideshot, showing the city from 200m up.
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There. Was that so hard?
You also keep using the anime when everything we're doing involving this has to do with the games. Once again, last resort, and given that we're certain that Lumiose = Paris, not needed. And this still has nothing to do with the size of the storm, as I already admitted that the 80 kilometers isn't the town, but the sum total of the distance. At this point, you're sounding like me during the Toneri meteor speed thread.
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Look, we're both getting heated at each other. Let's take a moment to calm down.
You also keep using the anime when everything we're doing involving this has to do with the games. Once again, last resort, and given that we're certain that Lumiose = Paris, not needed. And this still has nothing to do with the size of the storm, as I already admitted that the 80 kilometers isn't the town, but the sum total of the distance. At this point, you're sounding like me during the Toneri meteor speed thread.
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Look, we're both getting heated at each other. Let's take a moment to calm down.
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If you're getting heated, it's really not my problem at all.
Lumiose = Paris means it is 10 kilometers from East to West. Which means Dendemille Town has to be smaller because it's officially the 2nd largest town in the game.
Lumiose = Paris means it is 10 kilometers from East to West. Which means Dendemille Town has to be smaller because it's officially the 2nd largest town in the game.
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Alright, I'll concede to you there. So I give you three things:
- Size of Lumiose
- Size of Dendemille
- Size of Kalos
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> Still doesn't disprove the size of the storm.
The size of the storm is 100% unsourced and is just quoted at random by the OBD calculator, who doesn't provide anything to back it up. The blog that he linked was even deleted, suggesting it's outdated.
On the other hand, the official map, both Rotomdex and original map, outright prove that the distance between Frost Cavern (the pinpointed location in red) and Dandemille is 14px, while Dandemille itself is bout 6px.
Using the 12km size means the storm is 27km wide at best, lower if you assume Lumiose = Paris.
The size of the storm is 100% unsourced and is just quoted at random by the OBD calculator, who doesn't provide anything to back it up. The blog that he linked was even deleted, suggesting it's outdated.
On the other hand, the official map, both Rotomdex and original map, outright prove that the distance between Frost Cavern (the pinpointed location in red) and Dandemille is 14px, while Dandemille itself is bout 6px.
Using the 12km size means the storm is 27km wide at best, lower if you assume Lumiose = Paris.
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Rotomdex doesn't exist in X and Y, bud.
Don't use the in game map. That's quite literally the worst map you can use. Every town sans Lumiose is the same size, and they outsize islands. In game map isn't even the official map.
Don't use the in game map. That's quite literally the worst map you can use. Every town sans Lumiose is the same size, and they outsize islands. In game map isn't even the official map.
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You two seem to be going back and forth...Dragonmasterxyz said:
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Lol, it's because there was this thing a while back where people got to make Rotomdex maps for Kanto, Hoenn and other previous gens. Got that mixed up.
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Holy shit, that was a thing?!
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@Dragon
I've invited a few over. I will highlight this, I guess.
I've invited a few over. I will highlight this, I guess.
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You used that scan more often than I did, man.
Also, not...really, man. Kinda why my Defog calc wasn't on any pages. Things like the distance between Twinleaf and Sandgem being the size of Jubilife, while the offficial art, which has loads of more effort put into them, doesn't. Funny enough, I'd probably say that the in-game art for Kalos is less detailed than that of some previous generations.
Also, not...really, man. Kinda why my Defog calc wasn't on any pages. Things like the distance between Twinleaf and Sandgem being the size of Jubilife, while the offficial art, which has loads of more effort put into them, doesn't. Funny enough, I'd probably say that the in-game art for Kalos is less detailed than that of some previous generations.
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The in game map does portray the overall distance between each location accurately, at least the one that was coded in game. In the previous generations, for example, I remember the protagonist's head appearing over the route to signify where we are.
It can't be denied that this is the most accurate lead we have, even if not 100%
It can't be denied that this is the most accurate lead we have, even if not 100%
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You wanna let everyone else decide at this point? We put all our cards on the table and by this point, I'm just tired.
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Charizard is thousand of times faster than All Might, he still solos your puny verse ovoMand21 said:
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I agree with the real cal howard.
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isn't the pokemon world literally just earth with pocket monsters ?
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@Cal
No matter what the 100% baseless 80km value has to go, at least. Whatever replaces it.
No matter what the 100% baseless 80km value has to go, at least. Whatever replaces it.
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Yes and no. The Pokemon world has its own land masses and such.Overlord775 said:
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I agree with Cal.
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I'm currently talking to Iwan, Chaos and Lina over the OBD to get their opinions on the 1st issue.
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So I see a lot of people saying "I agree with Cal" with no reason exactly explaining why...
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Pretty sure the fact that it's this specific person that they're agreeing with is enough reason by itself ovo
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I'm with Cal on this one
