Plot manipulation for narnia

[Fixxed]

Well this just simple thread, i read the previous CRT and found this

And as He spoke He no longer looked to them like a lion; but the things that began to happen after that were so great and beautiful that I cannot write them. And for us this is the end of all the stories, and we can most truly say that they all lived happily ever after. But for them it was only the beginning of the real story. All their life in this world and all their adventures in Narnia had only been the cover and the title page: now at last they were beginning Chapter One of the Great Story which no one on earth has read: which goes on forever: in which every chapter is better than the one before.

The Last Battle, Chapter 16

Basically, it stated clearly if all live and adventures or every event that already happen in the words is exist within the story it self. It mean in narnia story become fundamental abstraction that govern the event and world it self. The "story" in here is not a metaphor, because it also mention about "title page" and "chapter", that will make the "story" is literal story

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Seems alright from a glance.

 

[Abstractly_a_Protagonist]

Sounds good and make sense to me.

 

[Reiner04]

I disagree for no reason.

 

[PrinceofPein]

Really what is the plot manipulation here?
Like Title page and cover was just used to reference how their life was just starting and the fact that they still have a really long way to go for them, and many more interesting stories

 

[Robo432343]

Lmfao

 

[Antvasima]

As much as I liked several of the Narnia books during my childhood, this does in fact sound more like an allegorical expression than something to be taken literally.

 

[Fixxed]

As much as I liked several of the Narnia books during my childhood, this does in fact sound more like an allegorical expression than something to be taken literally.

Isnt this for endless layer of reality??
I mean the reality-fiction thing, it already accepted as reality fiction different, a metafictional thing, so it already taken literally

 

[Antvasima]

Well, if it has previously been accepted as such, I suppose that we might have to accept the plot manipulation as well, but are you certain that it wasn't just considered to be ascending orders of existence?

 

[Fixxed]

but are you certain that it wasn't just considered to be ascending orders of existence?

Yes it will if it just mention R>F, but in narnia it mention about story and chapter. So metafictional+some statement and proof about story

 

[LeylinFarlier01]

Hehh can you provide additional evidence for this statement, this does not seem to refer to anything that can be taken literally...

 

[Fixxed]

Hehh can you provide additional evidence for this statement, this does not seem to refer to anything that can be taken literally...

Isnt this for endless layer of reality??
I mean the reality-fiction thing, it already accepted as reality fiction different, a metafictional thing, so it already taken literally

 

[Antvasima]

@Moonshadow137 @DarkDragonMedeus @InfiniteSped @Legion350 @MrKerf @Mantidil

What do you think about this?

 

[MrKerf]

Uhhhh... I don't think so.

And for us this is the end of all the stories, and we can most truly say that they all lived happily ever after. But for them it was only the beginning of the real story.

I think this ^ indicates the best that this means story quite literally, since otherwise it means that we, readers, die.

All their life in this world and all their adventures in Narnia had only been the cover and the title page: now at last they were beginning Chapter One of the Great Story which no one on earth has read: which goes on forever: in which every chapter is better than the one before.

I think it meant to be an allegory for Heaven, and/or having endless adventures in the higher realm. Makes sense. right?

 

[MrKerf]

Wait, not literally, I mean... You get it, I can't speak.

 

[Robo432343]

Yes. statements like those are used in fiction a lot as a writing technique...and its obviously not plot manip related

 

[InfiniteSped]

It's a metaphor, obviously.

 

[LeylinFarlier01]

Isnt this for endless layer of reality??
I mean the reality-fiction thing, it already accepted as reality fiction different, a metafictional thing, so it already taken literally

unfortunately Mr. fixxed, sounds like a logical fit

 

[Mantidil]

What do you think about this?

This does seem like a metaphorical statement to me as well. I wouldn’t be surprised if Aslan had plot manipulation, but this particular statement doesn’t seem like it fits the description.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I'm more neutral now; not particularly sure.

 

[Da3ggman]

This book kinda sucked ass I honestly don't see the plot being manipulated here. He's basically just stating that their journey has just begun using book metaphors. Disagree.

 

[MrKerf]

Actually, I change my mind to Possibly.

And for us this is the end of all the stories, and we can most truly say that they all lived happily ever after. But for them it was only the beginning of the real story.
All their life in this world and all their adventures in Narnia had only been the cover and the title page: now at last they were beginning Chapter One of the Great Story which no one on earth has read: which goes on forever: in which every chapter is better than the one before.

I've reread Aslan's page, and considering that Last Battle directly references Plato, and directly says that each Narnia is more real than previous, to the point of being a shadow, etc... I can see real story and Great Story (capital letters) being used to reference it as well and being more literal.

So, it's still a bit more far-fetched than I usually like my feats, but it wouldn't hurt to add it as Possibly Plot Manipulation.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. I suppose that "Possibly Plot Manipulation" might be an acceptable compromise solution if other members here agree with it. However, don't Plato's theories have more to do with ascending hierarchies of abstract existence casting shadows that manifest as lower reality than with plot manipulation?

 

[Abstractly_a_Protagonist]

It's better to wait for the actual supporter of the verse to come and clarify if the character qualify to getting Plot Manipulation.

 

[Fixxed]

Actually, I change my mind to Possibly.

I've reread Aslan's page, and considering that Last Battle directly references Plato, and directly says that each Narnia is more real than previous, to the point of being a shadow, etc... I can see real story and Great Story (capital letters) being used to reference it as well and being more literal.

So, it's still a bit more far-fetched than I usually like my feats, but it wouldn't hurt to add it as Possibly Plot Manipulation.

Okay. I suppose that "Possibly Plot Manipulation" might be an acceptable compromise solution if other members here agree with it. However, don't Plato's theories have more to do with ascending hierarchies of abstract existence casting shadows that manifest as lower reality than with plot manipulation?

Yeah i can agree with that too

 

[MrKerf]

Okay. I suppose that "Possibly Plot Manipulation" might be an acceptable compromise solution if other members here agree with it. However, don't Plato's theories have more to do with ascending hierarchies of abstract existence casting shadows that manifest as lower reality than with plot manipulation?

Well, here it isn't a support for plot manipulation, but of "a story more real", the Great Story. Main thing that has caught my eye is how everything prior reffered to as story, but not even the beggining of it, and how everything later is the Great Story with no end. It correlates with how the Aslan's greater more real Narnia described. Here it's just reffered to as story. And we can trust narrative as much as the rest, and he even reffers to it with capital letters Great Story, so it can be literal-literal. But not as clear as it could've been so only possibly.

 

[Robo432343]

ok but what did he do with the story

 

[MrKerf]

Well, it is Aslan's Mountain and Aslan's country that they went to, and he allowed them to go there, etc.

 

[Antvasima]

Hmm. It still seems too vague and unspecific for my tastes.

 

[Da3ggman]

Hmm. It still seems too vague and unspecific for my tastes.

As someone who has read all the Narnia books, I wholeheartedly agree.

 

[MrKerf]

It is pretty vague. I do not mind possibly, however.

 

[Antvasima]

I think that even a possibly rating needs more substance than this.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

I can see why it would qualify, but I'll remain neutral

 

[Antvasima]

So is it fine if we close this thread?

 

[Mori]

So many unaddressed threads... That being said, I agree with the plot manipulation proposal. There is no reason for the author to reference the already established order of Aslans and the new worlds being and likening it to the story if it wasn't supposed to be literal.