Platonic Concept Question

[AlipheeseXIV]

Hello everyone, wanted to ask what exactly are platonic concepts? I'm not really super familiar with them, are they just concepts that are unbound by typical type 1 concepts? Like, say for example a verse has a character with type 1 CM, with no law or theory being able to bind them as well as them having the power to reshape the principles the world runs on. Later down the line, a superior type 1 concept gets introduced that is verbatim confirmed to be above this previously stated character and explanation and is then stated to be the "primordial form of the world" and exists beyond it while also being the creator of it, from information (type 1 & 2), laws, time, space, causality, dimensions, and even plot/story. Would this be a platonic concept? Or something else?

I also heard that platonic concepts are by default 1A and aspatial/atemporal, is this still true?

 

[SweetDao]

Hello everyone, wanted to ask what exactly are platonic concepts?

I think the best "way" to understand Platonic Concept would be CM1 concepts that are "in a higher category" than what they govern (and not just independent of reality). Something like this:

(It's regarding Plotinus, but that's fine, the whole point is the idea behind the text)

Like, say for example a verse has a character with type 1 CM, with no law or theory being able to bind them as well as them having the power to reshape the principles the world runs on. Later down the line, a superior type 1 concept gets introduced that is verbatim confirmed to be above this previously stated character and explanation and is then stated to be the "primordial form of the world" and exists beyond it while also being the creator of it, from information (type 1 & 2), laws, time, space, causality, dimensions, and even plot/story. Would this be a platonic concept? Or something else?

Is the superior type 1 concept transcending all the things you listed, or merely created them all? Just to be sure. If it's the case, then yeah, I'm almost certain it would be 1-A.

I also heard that platonic concepts are by default 1A and aspatial/atemporal, is this still true?

Ya.

 

[Im_Fire444]

From my knowledge:

Platonic Concepts (also called Platonic Forms or Ideas) are abstract idea which aspatial, atemporal, perfect, eternal, and unchanging blue prints or ideas of all things that exist. For example: the Form of "Circle" or the Form of "Justice."
The circle you draw in the real world is imperfect maybe slightly uneven or incomplete. But the Form of the "Circle" is the perfect, abstract idea of a circle, flawless and eternal. It doesn't exist in space or time but in the realm of forms, a purely intelligible(non-physical) reality.
Likewise, Justice in the material world is imperfect, subjective, and changes across time and cultures. But the Form of "Justice" is perfect, unchanging, and eternal. This is what true justice is.
These Platonic Forms are qualitatively superior to anything in the physical world because they are not dependent on matter, space, or time.

1d, 2d, infinite d etc. are imperfect and lower in ontological status than these forms.

Platonic Concepts as Perfect Forms > (qualitatively) the Material World which is the imperfection.

Q:"Like, say for example a verse has a character with type 1 CM, with no law or theory being able to bind them as well as them having the power to reshape the principles the world runs on. Later down the line, a superior type 1 concept gets introduced that is verbatim confirmed to be above this previously stated character and explanation and is then stated to be the "primordial form of the world" and exists beyond it while also being the creator of it, from information (type 1 & 2), laws, time, space, causality, dimensions, and even plot/story. Would this be a platonic concept? Or something else?"
Yes, it could be a Platonic Concept but only if it's the perfect, eternal, and unchanging "ideal" that everything else (laws, time, space, etc.) comes from.

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

I think the best "way" to understand Platonic Concept would be CM1 concepts that are "in a higher category" than what they govern (and not just independent of reality). Something like this:

(It's regarding Plotinus, but that's fine, the whole point is the idea behind the text)

Gotcha...okay, I understand this unironically lol.

Is the superior type 1 concept transcending all the things you listed, or merely created them all? Just to be sure.

Yeah, it transcends all the things I listed it didn't merely "create" them

If it's the case, then yeah, I'm almost certain it would be 1-A.

Wait really? Damn...okay, just to be sure there is no other term for something of this nature right?

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

From my knowledge:

Platonic Concepts (also called Platonic Forms or Ideas) are abstract idea which aspatial, atemporal, perfect, eternal, and unchanging blue prints or ideas of all things that exist. For example: the Form of "Circle" or the Form of "Justice."
The circle you draw in the real world is imperfect maybe slightly uneven or incomplete. But the Form of the "Circle" is the perfect, abstract idea of a circle, flawless and eternal. It doesn't exist in space or time but in the realm of forms, a purely intelligible(non-physical) reality.
Likewise, Justice in the material world is imperfect, subjective, and changes across time and cultures. But the Form of "Justice" is perfect, unchanging, and eternal. This is what true justice is.
These Platonic Forms are qualitatively superior to anything in the physical world because they are not dependent on matter, space, or time.

1d, 2d, infinite d etc. are imperfect and lower in ontological status than these forms.

Platonic Concepts as Perfect Forms > (qualitatively) the Material World which is the imperfection.

Q:"Like, say for example a verse has a character with type 1 CM, with no law or theory being able to bind them as well as them having the power to reshape the principles the world runs on. Later down the line, a superior type 1 concept gets introduced that is verbatim confirmed to be above this previously stated character and explanation and is then stated to be the "primordial form of the world" and exists beyond it while also being the creator of it, from information (type 1 & 2), laws, time, space, causality, dimensions, and even plot/story. Would this be a platonic concept? Or something else?"
Yes, it could be a Platonic Concept but only if it's the perfect, eternal, and unchanging "ideal" that everything else (laws, time, space, etc.) comes from.

Hmm...I see, alright thanks for the input