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Philosophers' God Profiles

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Not "omnipotent". It's something else.
 
@MasterofArda

If you want a really triply view of God look up Leibniz and monads.

Monads are infinitesimallay small particles that compose all of everything, yet have no space, are completely acausal, reflect the universe and contain their own universe, which contains infinite space, which contains infinite monads, which keep layering ad infinitum.
 
Platonism and neoplatonism have Tier 0 god. Most of judeo Christian philosophy elevated god to Tier 0, Kaballah requires no introduction.
 
Indeed. Hindu philosophy also has similar concepts.
 
Assaltwaffle said:
@MasterofArda
If you want a really triply view of God look up Leibniz and monads.

Monads are infinitesimallay small particles that compose all of everything, yet have no space, are completely acausal, reflect the universe and contain their own universe, which contains infinite space, which contains infinite monads, which keep layering ad infinitum.
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Welp. I guess I have a lot of reading ahead of me.
 
Matthew Schroeder said:
Platonism and neoplatonism have Tier 0 god. Most of judeo Christian philosophy elevated god to Tier 0, Kaballah requires no introduction.
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Plato's God is the "Form of the Good," correct? Also yeah I forgot that was Tier 0. Not sure if it is worth breaking Platonism into Neoplatonism.
 
Yes, Plato's Absolute is From the Good.
 
But is the only reason why we can't do this because it gives us a couple more Tier 0s? That doesn't seem like a good reason imo especially since a couple have been purged
 
Ultima Reality said:
I am pretty sure profiles in this wiki aren't just limited to fictional characters
We even have profiles for Real World scientifical / whatever concepts, and even events and natural phenomena such as explosions and cataclysms. With the last examples obviously being far from being "fictional characters"
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We have those, but I'm pretty sure there where debates about at least a few of those where it was agreed that they stay as exceptions. They are not the rule.

I mean the first sentence on the front page of this side is "The purpose of this wiki is to index the statistics of characters from a wide variety of different fictional franchises."


Not to mention that this argument, by being brought up here, has shown itself to be a slippery slope towards allowing more and more exceptions on the grounds that prior exceptions exist.
 
I think that they can have profiles (so long as they are not religious), and I would be interested to discuss the tiering of these beings and concepts
 
@DontTalk

The all the real life profiles need to be deleted then. The slope was already there; this just addresses it. If this really is an issue, it should brought up and hard and fast rules established as to what is truly acceptable.
 
It's already still controversial as to whether or not SCP belongs here. We really don't need more slippery slopes. Real life seems fine. Heck, we have all these "Composite" profiles, which are literally fanfiction if you catch my drift.
 
SCP is basically accepted Fanfictiin, composites are not real outside of this Wiki, we have real life, why would we ban the views of real philosophers?

It is almost an extension of real life, just the views of a real life being.
 
My thoughts exactly. It seems fine as long as we don't tread into literal religious territory.
 
Assaltwaffle said:
@DontTalk
The all the real life profiles need to be deleted then. The slope was already there; this just addresses it. If this really is an issue, it should brought up and hard and fast rules established as to what is truly acceptable.
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While I personally don't mind them to be deleted (I was never a huge friend of composite/combined real life stuff, suggesting they should be made in FC/OC instead), I also don't really mind them to stay.

Requirement for that being that we don't allow it to be used to make slippery slope arguments, as then it would also not be a slippery slope.


One of the initial reasons some of the real life profiles, where allowed to stay was that they could be used as reference point for fiction profiles (various guns for example). The ones that have that purpose would for example definietly be fine as exceptions, in my opinion.
 
Assaltwaffle said:
SCP is basically accepted Fanfictiin, composites are not real outside of this Wiki, we have real life, why would we ban the views of real philosophers?
It is almost an extension of real life, just the views of a real life being.
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For essentially the same reason I wouldn't want profiles for famous authors to be made.

I mean I could make a profile for Franz Kafka, for example. I could write a biographie, and let a lot of stuff flow into the profile.

Of course the standard format, which is more made to be "xy level (here look at this link showing the cool thing he did)" is not really suited, but I could manage.

Or I could also make the profile like an extension of verse pages, just one step more general.

I mean, would there be harm if I create profiles for authors?


All of that can be argued in much the same way as for allowing profiles based on how strong certain beings would be according to the religious/philosophical view of certain people.

But I still wouldn't want them here. Such profiles would be better suited for a literature wiki and instead of our character profile format it would make much more sense to write them as an article.

The same goes for gods according to the philosophical views of people. Instead of rankings with feats they would turn out much better as articles describing the viewpoint and then explaining why this beings would have certains powers and stats.


Author profiles and profiles detailing how beings should be ranked according to certain people alike just are not really topic of the wiki, in my opinion.
 
Author profiles are different than this. Authors are just authors. These entities are developed in a similar manner to a fictitious being, just with application to real life beliefs. Powers and abilities, along with their tier, would fit perfectly here imo.
 
I find the argument about them coming from real life philosophies quite fallacious. So are pages from mythologies.

And there are tens of thousands of people today who worship Zeus or Odin, with an Asatru temple being built in Iceland as we speak. Doesn't change that the mainstream accepted view that they don't exist.

See don't allow mainstream religions and real people. Other than that, it is fair game.

Philosophies are speculative, not religions, and not real people. They break no rules.
 
So do we need to get more staff support? I'd imagine so before introducing such pages.
 
I messaged Executor about this, as I believe he enjoys philosophy.
 
In fact, although I may find philosophy to be realy interesting, my knowledge of philosophy is not very vast. I know a little about universals (Specifically the Platonic Forms) and contingency, but my knowledge is very small compared to people like Kevyn Souza.

Anyway, I see no problem in creating pages for philosophical characters (as Demiurge, deities, etc).
 
Honestly the mythology pages break this more than a philosophical interpretation of God does. I am not one to set such a rule, if anything.
 
ZacharyGrossman273 said:
How many followers can something have for it to be a religion? Let's say it has less than a million modern day followers.
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Modern day religions are easy to spot. Number of followers isn't exactly the problem so much as the faith itself.
 
The Christian God, the Muslim God, etchetera.

Not to be that guy but The Christian God and the Muslim God are both the same God, same as with the Jewish God. The three Abrahamic religions, they all came from the same beliefs but deviated from each other
 
Yobobojojo said:
@Nico

Yeah.. didn't feel like being that guy
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Not really "that guy." The three Abrahamic religions worship the same deity, just with different understandings of said deity. I'm a Christian and this isn't offensive.
 
Assaltwaffle said:
The view of God for Leibniz is OP as crap.
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What are some of the things that make Leibniz's interpertation of God "OP as crap"?

Could you give some examples? I'm curious.
 
Assaltwaffle said:
Not really "that guy." The three Abrahamic religions worship the same deity, just with different understandings of said deity. I'm a Christian and this isn't offensive.
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Not really the same deity, more the same type of deity. They are all "God," but "God's" rules and beleifs are diffrent (At least to my understanding of Islam and Judaism).
 
What are some of the things that make Leibniz's interpertation of God "OP as crap"?

Could you give some examples? I'm curious.

I'll upload a preview page for Leibniz's God on my sandbox and link it here soon.
 
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