Overlord General Discussion Mk.IV

[Apeironaxim]

Yeah but they're separate powers, so them not being under Resistances might lead people to believe they would work on him

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

So since Ainz is immune (in-verse) to all mind affecting abilities that count as mind affecting abilities, shouldn't we add Resistance to Fear Manip and Madness Manip, since those are mind affecting abilities?
I mean he already has the ability to cause them on his profile, but not resistance to them

There are some types of fear and madness that doesnt involve controlling the mind

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

They are literally about affecting the mind. I will never understand how would people think that someone with mind manip resistance would be affected by something like fear manip or madness manip (unless the power has some special mechanics to it but that's the exception).

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

They are literally about affecting the mind. I will never understand how would people think that someone with mind manip resistance would be affected by something like fear manip or madness manip (unless the power has some special mechanics to it but that's the exception).

Read the madness manipulation page and its types and you'll see

 

[Apeironaxim]

Alright then

So I'm guessing Memory Manip would fall under that too, since Control Amnesia is a mind affecting spell?

 

[Muchacho_mrm]

Ainz gave Neia a pendant that grants her immunity to fear, I think if he didn't have high resistance/immunity he would have covered it.

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

Memory manip would have the same issues as fear and madness. Unless it works through some other mechanics that sidestep how the resistance in question works, it should apply.

 

[Apeironaxim]

Read the madness manipulation page and its types and you'll see

Ainz doesn't have a brain

Ainz is immune (in-verse) to mind affecting abilities, one of which is Insanity

The last one might work, since while Ainz is immune to things like Insanity in verse, it's Insanity from spells and such and not an indescribable eldritch entity

 

[Muchacho_mrm]

Just realized Ainz did mind manipulation on an automaton

 

[Apeironaxim]

An automaton that has no stated resistance to mind manip

Golems are explicitly stated to be mindless, and "coincidentally" are a non-playable race

Meanwhile Automatons are, so I assume CZ still has some form of a mind

 

[Muchacho_mrm]

Having a biological brain seems like a downgrade but oh well. Also it might actually just be ego rather than intelligence since golems can be ordered around.

Also found this:

Q: Lucifer made golems with materials, so can a high ranking alchemist make robots/cyborgs? Also is there a class that produced automatons?

A: What kind of robot/cyborgs and automatons? If it's the case of things like Frankenstein's monster, that sort of class existed. There is one in Nazarick. Although it seems they won't get any screen-time

https://twitter.com/maruyama_kugane/status/934293188164034561

 

[Apeironaxim]

We have no idea if CZ has a brain, we can just assume she has some form of mind/consciousness, as she isn't stated to not have one. It also doesn't help she isn't stated to have resistance or immunity to mind manip. She probably does on some level, but none that are stated

 

[Muchacho_mrm]

That is me assuming she has a brain in the Overlord universe since automatons are machines and cyborgs are part machine and part organic. If it's revealed she doesn't then Ainz vs AI/implants dystopia would be a really bad stomp.

 

[Apeironaxim]

One would not be able to pick up any emotion from those eyes. Shizu had a beautiful face, but if one were to be ungenerous, one could call it an actor's mask.
After all, Shizu was an automaton. She would not show any emotions — indeed, that was how she had been programmed.

With the use of "programmed" we can either assume:

A) CZ is a full robot/machine with a consciousness, and therefor can be mind haxed, especially with CZ having no stated resistance to mind manip

or B) In this case "programmed" is referring to the fact she is an NPC, and was "programmed" in the same way the others were, like Albedo having a backstory to put up a fake front to hide her true self, which only came through when they were transported to New World , as that was when they got personalities

 

[Muchacho_mrm]

Aah, that is volume 3, just remembered this. With a brain or a heart/organs poison immunity doesn't work.

[Yuri — who was adjusting her glasses — was a Dullahan, while the stiff-faced Shizu was an Automaton. The two of them were heteromorphic beings who were immune to poison as part of their racial features.]

 

[Apeironaxim]

Why would it not work??

This is a world of magic, Ainz literally handed a Neia an amulet, aka what most would assume to be a regular accessory, yet it allows her to be immune to fear

Also Albedo has organs, yet she was doing just fine due to items, so I'm not sure how having organs means you can't possibly be immune to poison

 

[InfiniteSped]

Yuri is undead, and Shizu is an automaton. Obviously poison wouldn't work on them.

Shizu has sentience, so she likely has a soul, different from Gargantua, for example. Doubtful that she has a brain like humans though.

 

[FDrybob]

She's an automaton, so there's no reason to assume she has a biological brain. She's not a cyborg.

 

[Apeironaxim]

Yuri is undead, and Shizu is an automaton. Obviously poison wouldn't work on them.
Shizu has sentience, so she likely has a soul, different from Gargantua, for example. Doubtful that she has a brain like humans though.

Exactly. Until it is stated otherwise, Shizu will be assumed to have a mind/consciousness, and therefor mind hax will work on her

 

[Muchacho_mrm]

It is stated because of her race she is immune to poison, this is without items. Even without breathing the gas has some chance to reach someone's lungs/chest organs (if she has any), no? There should be other types of poisons that reach other organs (brain), so shouldn't it be 'Shizu is immune to this type of poison' (gas) instead of saying she is immune to it all.

Also Albedo:

[Albedo was a demon and did not naturally possess a resistance to poisons, but she had another way to render herself immune to them.]