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Othinius vs Heaven's Ascension Dio

Othinus was FTL+ before she obtained gungnir shouldn't she be a lot faster after she become a full magic god ?

After reading Dio profile othinus seems to have a better hax speed and durability as well

So my voice goes for othinus

My vote is based on Dio profile since i absolutely know noting about JOJO series and never had the chance to watch it
 
Othnius votes 4

Dio votes 2

(no, I didn't count myself)

Apparently with Gungnir she's instantneous in attack speed
 
ZERO7772 said:
Othinus was FTL+ before she obtained gungnir shouldn't she be a lot faster after she become a full magic god ?
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That is attack speed, which is not combat speed or reaction speed.
 
Aurasuke said:
Apparently with Gungnir she's instantneous in attack speed
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only if she maniulates reality or used this attacks which are like invisible explosions, but they need her to aim and therefore can be dodged (which touma did at the end of NT9), gungnir being thrown is also not instant, lightpseed or FTL since touma was able to react to it and punch it :)
 
Bloodlusted?

GG.

Dio will pull a Time Stop just like walking.

Overwrite Othinus's Gugnir. I don't see by any means Othinus wining, unless somehow, she throw Gungnir before Dio's actions.
 
^ Except you're ignoring that:

1: Othinus has superior time manipulation abilities, being not only able to stop time but also choose who is affected by the time stop and also rewind it. Dio's Time Stop is not going to bother her.

2: Othinus also has reality warping abilities. She likely can counter his Reality Overwrite.

3: Othinus has better attack speed. So yeah, she likely gets the first strike in.

Othinus wins.
 
KamiYasha said:
Bloodlusted?
GG.

Dio will pull a Time Stop just like walking.

Overwrite Othinus's Gugnir. I don't see by any means Othinus wining, unless somehow, she throw Gungnir before Dio's actions.
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Why do you assume he is able to overwrite othinus abilities? Or do you mean just Gugnir as object? in that case othinus doesn't need it, fairy spell wil do the trick as well.

"@GreatestSin" wrote: only if she maniulates reality..."

You realize her standard strategie of serious battle in 100% form is "These small fights are such a pain. I think I'll just end the world." *erases universe* ? (and don't even suggest she was serious against touma)


In character I would have given it to Othnius, given that Dio as far as I have seen the game doesn't use his powers efficient by any means.

Bloodlusted I am uncertain... Is his timestop still like the original ones where people that can also timestop can simply free themselfs from it? Othinus has control over time so if thats the case I don't see a problem in that move. Does he in the end manipulate reality with his hands btw.? I believe that theory was thrown around some time ago (probably given that he still engages in fist fights...), so has his reality warping more than melee range?
 
I don't see Time Manipulation under her Abilities.

Also, Attack Speed =/= Combat Speed.

Given the fact that this fight is in "Bloodlusted" Othinus will be more prominent to throw her Gungnir. I don't see her doing some Reality Warping instead of throwing her Gungnir.

It would be more like when GER and Tusk Act 4 where attacking... upong contact with they where Overwritten.
 
KamiYasha said:
I don't see Time Manipulation under her Abilities.
Also, Attack Speed =/= Combat Speed.

Given the fact that this fight is in "Bloodlusted" Othinus will be more prominent to throw her Gungnir. I don't see her doing some Reality Warping instead of throwing her Gungnir.

It would be more like when GER and Tusk Act 4 where attacking... upong contact with they where Overwritten.
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Bloodlusted assumes serious fight, throwing gungnir isn't serious given that it isn't her strongest move. If you argue like that I may remind you that dio out of some reason likes to engage in fist fights with his opponents instead of reality warping them from existence instantly from range.

Time manipulation is the third ability listed for her btw.

And as said, she isn't reliant on Gungnir, fairy spell does exactly the same.
 
^

Doubt it, Othinius only throws her weapon if she wanted to lose, like what she did with Touma. Othinius bloodlusted just warps Dio out of existence. Heaven's Ascension Dio has a notable weakness while Othinius does not.

GER and Tusk Act 4 are fodder tier compared to Othinius.

Othnius can destroy time easily, she can recreate reality as she sees fit. She can move easily in a space with absolutely nothing, doubt time stop would work in a place with no time.

Othniius doesn't need combat speed, she'll win on the first move
 
@Kamiyasha

Time manipulation is right there with her other abilities, and is also mentioned in her feats. Also, her first move is likely going to try to erase the universe, and if not, start doing things like throw galaxies at Dio and makes his atoms explode. Gungnir is her ace-in-the-hole, and if she throws it Dio is dead. She can do a lot more than Gungnir, so I don't know why you keep insisting on that, she doesn't need it for this fight,

She and Dio are going to counter each other's Reality Warping and Time Manipulation abilities, so what do we have left?

A City Block level character vs a Multi-Planet level character with an Universe level attack.

Dio can't harm her at all, she easily can and will. Othinus wins.
 
Isn't a "Bloodlusted" character aiming for just to kill its opponent? without any concern.
 
Yeah, and that's why Othinus will try to use her superior reality warper powers to win over throwing Gungnir, since they are stronger. She will also likely deploy her crossbow at the same time she's doing everything else.
 
Actually it was stated that Dios ability to overwrite truth is only manifested in his fists, that would mean he actually has to go close combat, wouldn't it?

EDIT: Actually that`s even noted on his profile. In that case othinus 10 nanosecond feat is good enough.
 
KamiYasha said:
Isn't a "Bloodlusted" character aiming for just to kill its opponent? without any concern.
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Bloodlusted means serious, not stupid. This is like saying the One Above All will apppear in human form and start smashing his opponents with a hammer lol.
 
DontTalk said:
Actually it was stated that Dios ability to overwrite truth is only manifested in his fists, that would mean he actually has to go close combat, wouldn't it?
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If that's true then he is going to get killed before he gets close.
 
DontTalk said:
You realize her standard strategie of serious battle in 100% form is "These small fights are such a pain. I think I'll just end the world." *erases universe* ? (and don't even suggest she was serious against touma)
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i simply nitpicked on what aurasuke said :/ and like before, there is GER, and she was serious against touma at the last fight in NT9, but out of some unknown reason she didnt create a hole a few kilometers wide and hundred meters deep which would have crushed him easily (be it out of headache, PIS or whatever else), but she was serious :)
 
GreatestSin said:
DontTalk said:
You realize her standard strategie of serious battle in 100% form is "These small fights are such a pain. I think I'll just end the world." *erases universe* ? (and don't even suggest she was serious against touma)
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i simply nitpicked on what aurasuke said :/ and like before, there is GER, and she was serious against touma at the last fight in NT9, but out of some unknown reason she didnt create a hole a few kilometers wide and hundred meters deep which would have crushed him easily (be it out of headache, PIS or whatever else), but she was serious :)
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You should really read NT9 again, because she was never serious against Touma until after she threw Gungnir.
 
GreatestSin said:
DontTalk said:
You realize her standard strategie of serious battle in 100% form is "These small fights are such a pain. I think I'll just end the world." *erases universe* ? (and don't even suggest she was serious against touma)
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i simply nitpicked on what aurasuke said :/ and like before, there is GER, and she was serious against touma at the last fight in NT9, but out of some unknown reason she didnt create a hole a few kilometers wide and hundred meters deep which would have crushed him easily (be it out of headache, PIS or whatever else), but she was serious :)
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Have you really read NT9? Please read what DontTalk said again.
 
LazyHunter said:
You should really read NT9 again, because she was never serious against Touma until after she threw Gungnir.
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she used explosions which he evaded thanks to the analyzes he did on her for the last millioon or so years if he wasnt able to do that she would have killed him easily again,(or was this after the 10000+ deaths?) and than the gungnir-attack sinc he was able to "read" all her moves at her 100%-positive version :I

^i did, and i dont get the fist-thing, if it is true why cant someone add it to heaven-dios "weakness"-part if something as significant as this existed?
 
@GreatestSin

Except that the explosion technique is nowhere close to Othinus taking Touma seriously, you should be able to see that's nothing compared to the things she had already done to him in the previous worlds or the things the narrration suggest she could do to him. She never took Touma even slightly seriously until she grew tired of him not giving up and started to feel worn down mentally, finally resolving herself to killing him and continue with her plan, deciding to stop respawning him. Touma uses the experience he had gained through the thousands of deaths to evade the next attacks. This starts to anger Othinus, so between Touma dodging her attacks, the mental damage she's receiving plus his taunts, she turns to Gungnir, the symbol of her power, assuming that would be enough to kill Touma, the "lowly human" who's bothering her. Othinus realizes this was a big mistake just as she throws the lance when she sees Touma's smile; she has underestimated him again. Gungnir is destroyed by IB, so Othinus, now really pissed off, decides to use her crossbow, and with her trick with the last arrow kills Touma.

The bolded part is when Othinus stops playing games and underestimating Touma, decides to fix her mistake and kills him. All the previous parts weren't intended to be a physical competition or a real serious battle, it was a challenge of wills between them to see who would give up first in achieving their goals, Touma or Othinus. This was only possible because of Othinus' doubts about her plan. Just because she was easily killing him before that doesn't mean she was fighting anywhere close to seriously (if she was doing that, she would have never respawned him even once in the first place). It just speaks of the power difference between them when she can kill him without using any of her powers like she does a few times when she kills him using Gungnir as a bat or breaks his neck with one hand. She was treating this like we would treat stepping on a bug, just because we are killing the bug it doesn't mean we are treating it as a serious conflict.
 
GreatestSin said:
^i did, and i dont get the fist-thing, if it is true why cant someone add it to heaven-dios "weakness"-part if something as significant as this existed?
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You mean the has to use hands thing? It is noted in dios weaknesses...
 
Othnius votes 5

Dio votes 2

(no, I didn't count myself)

So this is the final consensus then?
 
First is because it's Dio. But the real reason is because Othinius just makes phases and doesn't really change reality but if Dio stops time and touches her he might win.
 
^ Phases in index=reality, she can remove or add phases just like one overites a line of code on a computer,

She's already been shown to move in a space with no time when she first destroyed the world.

As for

First is because it's Dio.

That's not really an argument, does he win against High Priest too because he's Dio?
 
^ Changing what the world looks like changes all of the universe and everyone in them except for true magic gods and possibly aleister. I don't see how that's different. It's still universal reality warping
 
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