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Onigashima Pixelscaling problems

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As someone pointed out to me on my most recent calc, the size we use for Onigashima, currently, is based off a panel from 2020 where the island itself was too far from the screen to be accurately depicted. We've got a far more accurate depiction of the island's size, and scaling now in 2021, and we should likely update it.

For example, Onigashima's eyes, one of the most used aspects of Wano-Related calcs, it was calculated at 863m by Mitch using this poorly detailed panel.
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We have FAR more detailed depictions of the island now, like this
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Highest Hill: 13px/466.96m

Eye: 41px = (41/13)*466.96 = 1472.72m

Or this:
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Highest Hill: 17px/466.96m

Eye: 37px = (37/17)*466.96 = 1016.32471m

And this:
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Highest Hill: 20px/466.96m

Eye: 75px = (75/20)*466.96 = 1751.1m

We can use the Average (1413.4m), or use one of the three. It's clear that the 863m result is just inconsistent with the rest that always give 1000m+
 
There are at least 19 pages to choose from from Onigashima's longshots so far.
 
WrongIdea21 said:
There are at least 19 pages to choose from from Onigashima's longshots so far.
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Well holy shit.

But most of these are not as clean nor as zoomed in as the ones used in my example. There are some that are as clean there, so I appreciate it nonetheless. We should wait for Calc Group Members to decide which one to use.
 
FluffyCreatureZ said:
I read this and, why are you assuming that the branch in the foreground is the same size as the one in the background? They can have the same shape and design but not the same size, you know that right?
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That, and it looks like the branch in the background could be even further away than the sword handle is. Makes comparing between them more difficult.
 
The branch in the background is definitly farther away it looks around the side of the skull when the sword is in front of the skull
 
FluffyCreatureZ said:
I read this and, why are you assuming that the branch in the foreground is the same size as the one in the background? They can have the same shape and design but not the same size, you know that right?
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Because every single branch around the front one has a similar size
Damage3245 said:
That, and it looks like the branch in the background could be even further away than the sword handle is. Makes comparing between them more difficult.
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Wait really? I don’t see that.

The branch in the back is on the mountains which are closer to the front than the Katana is, shown by the second scan and the portrayal of the mountain under it
 
Again, a very similar result is attained through the eye scaling, which rely far less on perspective to work. Or... maybe just scaling the hill directly to the diameter.
I could get 17km with that method, we should really decide on the size of the eye first, as it's a bigger object and less likely to be less detailed due to size.
 
KingTempest said:
Because every single branch around the front one has a similar size

Wait really? I don’t see that.

The branch in the back is on the mountains which are closer to the front than the Katana is, shown by the second scan and the portrayal of the mountain under it
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I see above that there are branches that are bigger than the ones you're scaling from and they are the same level, they're hidden behind the two exclamation marks (!!).
 
FluffyCreatureZ said:
I see above that there are branches that are bigger than the ones you're scaling from and they are the same level, they're hidden behind the two exclamation marks (!!).
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Those look closer to the screen than the ones around the purple imho
 
KingTempest said:
Those look closer to the screen than the ones around the purple imho
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I can't really confirm or deny this, but I think it would be quite a big assumption to think that all the tress of that type have the exact same size of branches for each specimen, unless it's consistently shown so, I think that calculation would be pretty iffy, but that's just my opinion.
 
FluffyCreatureZ said:
I can't really confirm or deny this, but I think it would be quite a big assumption to think that all the tress of that type have the exact same size of branches for each specimen, unless it's consistently shown so, I think that calculation would be pretty iffy, but that's just my opinion.
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Nah I understand, it's just that at least in that frame, all the trees around each other are the same shape, and all the other trees that aren't the same shape look closer or further than the middle ones.
 
It's not urgent, but it is still an issue, so it should be tackled regardless
 
Onigashima has had a lot of depictions so far. It might be worth not tackling this until the battle is done, like the rest of the Wano revisions.
 
I agree with Damage here, we can probably wait until we leave Onigashina and take most clear depictions, averaging them out.
 
Exceeeept we currently use the values from a poorly depicted Onigashima, so we might want to at least update that. Should I ask DGM's opinion on this?
 
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