No by that logic every country level character should be MFTL+ because "well it makes sense that if they're billions of times stronger than an average human they should also be that much faster".
You are not getting the point. The last concrete speed feat we have is from a character much much much below the top tiers. This feat being billions of time faster Isn't as big as deal as you claim.
The issue isn't talking it's THEM talking.
Blast was struggling with pre-saitama amp Garous speed but now can statue him and Saitama with an entire debate.
This is the only big contradiction I agree with, and I have acknowledged it. It is weird that garou and saitama are statues in that instance. But weirder things have happened, like genos being able to hit cosmic garou, the garou cadre speed timer feat which put monster garou only at like mach 4 at best, or metal bat keeping up with sage centipede and garou before resonance.
Bro even WE can see Garou and Saitama in that explosion. And Blast has sensory abilities on top of that can detect attacks from another dimension.
This is as you call it, 'a disingenuous lie' . We only see saitama and garou before the explosion properly expanded and when they were still really close to blast. They proceed to get moved away from earth by blast and friends before the explosion goes off. Them launching off into IO is because of the explosion going off. You are conflating two different instances like they are the same thing.
And how is blast's sensory abilities supposed to equivalent here? Not only is that scene retconned, but this is not a comparable instance. That has to do with a sixth sense rather than eyesight.
And the manga specifically notes that can't tell what happened with them because of the energy, not because Blasts sunglasses aren't good enough.
Where does it imply that? They literally just say
with that kind of energy, who knows how far they could've flown. It says nothing about the energy being the reason they could not follow them or whatever you are trying to say.
Looking in a straight line and finding precise locations are not even remotely comparable. And Jupiter is literally observable by naked eye from earth so again, saying Blast just can't see that far makes no sense.
Dude, it is not looking at jupiter with the naked eye, it is trying to see two human beings in jupiter with the naked eye lmao, AND they didn't even go to jupiter, it was IO, a much smaller moon. And to see jupiter in the sky with your naked eye you need to get lucky with how the light is shining on it and how close it is to earth, and you need to be able to recognise that it is jupiter and not some random star .So the premise already makes no sense.
Also, how would blast even know which direction they flew off into? Not only did a multi solar system/ galaxy sized explosion go off, but you also expect him to know exactly which direction two human sized objects went off to?
That's just a really disingenuous lie. Blast only ever hit Garou when he abused portals to sneak attack him. This is what happened the moment Garou countered the portals
Blast was screaming "graaah" from how hard it was just to open portals fast enough to not get blitzed.
No he didn't? after the first attack garou should have been perfectly capable of defending himself, it's not like he can't see blast punching him and using the portals. I guess the difficulty can be argued, I mean I anyways agree that blast statuing garou and saitama is inconsistent, so I guess there is no point in arguing this anymore.
I want you to read that message again and think about it.
"Blast wants to protect everyone from Garou so he's holding back against him"
I might have phrased it poorly but only because I thought you understood the context. Garou was leaking so much radiation it was killing everyone on the planet, so blast's priority was not defeating/ fighting garou, but to find an appropriate time to use portals to get everyone out of there. That was why he was not going all out against garou at that point.
Again you're missing the issue. The issue is that the explosion behaves completely differently than it should if it's speed was constant.
And as I argued, that is due to time dilation. When blast is changing the vectors of the explosion, we are seeing things happen in slow motion, as evidenced by by the fact that saitama and garou are not moving and the fact that the explosion itself is not expanding. Then, once it is redirected the speed goes back to normal, so the explosion looks like it got a lot faster.
It's changing shape instead of omnidirectionaly expanding and characters that should be much slower than Garou and Saitama are statuing it. It's not that the scene "didn't happen" I'm saying it didn't happen the way you think it did.
Okay I don't really don't know what you are talking about here. It still looks like a ball that is expanding? I don't exactly know what you are reffering to when you mean changing shape.
The explosion gets redirected in 2 different directions. One small thin that goes towards Jupiter and one large that destroyed the stars.
That is not how that works, blast changed the vector of the explosion, a vector can only have one specific direction. Garou and saitama flying away is not part of the explosion, it is recoil from the punch itself as explicitly stated.
He doesn't need to, he just has to see where the beam itself went. You don't need to see the people inside of a train to see where they're going.
That is not light, that is showing the transfer of force. There is no 'beam' it is just to show the readers how garou and saitama landed on the planet. I'm pretty sure that is a very common technique in manga.
It is the same concept as this.
No that's not what I'm doing. I told you that even assuming 1 second, the standard timeframe for feats like these, the result is millions of times lower than the opposite side of the explosion. I'm not assuming they reached it after that conversation and it wouldn't make a difference between that conversation would be a minute at best. And the difference between 1 second and 60 second is irrelevant to the difference between 35 light minutes and 52594876600 light minutes.
And I am saying why would you assume 1 second? Even one second doesn't make sense because how are they getting perception blitzed at that large of a time frame?
1 second would feel like a week based on their perception speeds even without this calc. If we want to we could just arbitrarily change time frames until the speed of the recoil matches the speed of the actual explosion or even surpass the speed of the explosion. It seems like a complete moot point.
Again, disingenuous lies.
Saitama couldn't percieve where they went and what happened and even the guy who has cosmic awareness was shocked they're near Jupiter.
That does not say saitama couldn't perceive where they went, it says that saitama had no idea that blast was redirecting his and garou's attack.
And what does garou having cosmic awareness have to do with anything? It took him a while to figure out where he was while he was standing still and staring at jupiter. I don't get what your point is.
If they had BILLIONS of times FTL speeds and were moving towards Jupiter at thousands of times FTL speeds it should be like a slow walk towards a giant planet.
First of all, there is no proof of the speed at which they reached jupiter. And second of all, how big do you think jupiter is? It would have been like a speck and unrecognisable for like most the journey, and even then they might not have been looking at it. And even if we assume it took one second for them to reach jupiter, for them that would be a long ass time.
Anyways, I feel a bit silly arguing about this, so I'm gonna stop. I'm just going to wait and let someone with authority have a final verdict. Anyway, I know
@Qawsedf234 had some similar problems with this calc as the ones you pointed out , and he's an administrator so it must mean something. And I've given it for calc evaluation. If it's vetoed I'll concede, I don't think it's easy to change people's mind after they've made up their mind, so this is pointless and feels like I'm wasting time.
I can't understand the connection between the blast wave and Saitama and Garou.
Garou and Saitama were thrown towards IO, and
the blast wave was being thrown in the other direction at mftl+ speed
You still haven't given an argument why Garou and Saitama speed is mftl+.
There is no connection between the blast wave and saitama and garou. This is a speed feat for blast and his friends, and maybe saitama and garou scale to it.
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