One Piece: Marco Shockwave Removal

[KingTempest]

https://vsbattles.com/threads/one-piece-marcos-flames-crt.142917/

Love you bro but no

All shockwaves stretching out to every shockwave in the verse is flat out just wrong and it's an association fallacy.

The sample size is Hasshoken, Impact/Reject Dials, and Rokuogan.

Besides the fact that Rokuogan is stated to work like an impact dial instead of a regular shockwave shows that it isn't just any shockwave, it's one that sends a shockwave into the body.

Fishman Karate hits the water in the body through shockwaves.

Hasshoken specifically works like that too.

There is no universal law that says "all shockwaves in OP negate dura". Residual shockwaves don't do that.

Also, Marco's attack isn't a shockwave.
Queen questioned if it was a shockwave cause he didn't know wtf hit him.
We can visibly see it's a fireball from the flames. Not a shockwave.

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Yeah I have a few peeves about this scaling I'll talk about them soon.

 

[Kachon123]

Following

 

[Fireld]

Question: Would Sengoku's count as dura neg or nope?

 

[KingTempest]

Question: Would Sengoku's count as dura neg or nope?

Could make a case for it

 

[DaMonkeMan]

https://vsbattles.com/threads/one-piece-marcos-flames-crt.142917/

Love you bro but no

All shockwaves stretching out to every shockwave in the verse is flat out just wrong and it's an association fallacy.

The sample size is Hasshoken, Impact/Reject Dials, and Rokuogan.

Besides the fact that Rokuogan is stated to work like an impact dial instead of a regular shockwave shows that it isn't just any shockwave, it's one that sends a shockwave into the body.

Fishman Karate hits the water in the body through shockwaves.

Hasshoken specifically works like that too.

There is no universal law that says "all shockwaves in OP negate dura". Residual shockwaves don't do that.

Also, Marco's attack isn't a shockwave.
Queen questioned if it was a shockwave cause he didn't know wtf hit him.
We can visibly see it's a fireball from the flames. Not a shockwave.

Agreed.
Btw does King even have holes in his mask? Whole point is that he wants to cover up all of his body to hide his Lunarian genes. So where would the blood be dripping out of when Marco hits him?

 

[KingTempest]

Agreed.
Btw does King even have holes in his mask? Whole point is that he wants to cover up all of his body to hide his Lunarian genes. So where would the blood be dripping out of when Marco hits him?

idek bro

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Looks good to me.

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Looks good to me.

If it's not a bother may you look at my CRT too?

 

[Eseseso]

Following.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Hmm, currently unsure... I'm neutral

He asks if it were a Shockwave and the damage is only shown blood coming out of his mouth... Sure not all shockwaves work like the reject dials but there's still evidence that that specific shockwave does

Changing to a possibly rating should be fine in my opinion tho

 

[Darkvie123]

Thank you for your input and clarification on the topic of shockwaves in the One Piece universe. I agree that it is important to examine each type of shockwave and its specific properties in order to fully understand its capabilities.

As you pointed out, the examples of Hasshoken, Impact/Reject Dials, and Rokuogan are all different types of shockwaves with distinct properties and effects. It would be incorrect to assume that all shockwaves in One Piece have the same capabilities based on a few examples. Additionally, the idea that all shockwaves in the One Piece verse can negate durability or remove physical objects from existence is not supported by the canon material. As you mentioned residual shockwaves do not necessarily have the same effect as the initial shockwave.

Regarding Marco's attack, i agree that it is not necessarily a shockwave, but rather a fire-based attack. While it may produce a shockwave upon impact, it is important to distinguish it as a fire attack rather than solely a shockwave.

Thank you for your contribution to the discussion and for providing further clarification on this topic.

I agree with the removal

 

[Darkvie123]

Question: Would Sengoku's count as dura neg or nope?

Sengoku's attacks like his Buddha form shockwave, have not been explicitly shown to negate durability. However they are undoubtedly powerful and can cause significant damage to his opponents and their surroundings. It is important to note that not all powerful attacks in OP necessarily negate durability. Some attacks may cause damage through sheer force or impact, while others may have special properties or effects that allow them to bypass certain defenses. Therefore without any clear evidence or statements indicating that Sengoku's attacks specifically negate durability, it would be safe to assume that they do not have this ability.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Sengoku's attacks like his Buddha form shockwave, have not been explicitly shown to negate durability. However they are undoubtedly powerful and can cause significant damage to his opponents and their surroundings. It is important to note that not all powerful attacks in OP necessarily negate durability. Some attacks may cause damage through sheer force or impact, while others may have special properties or effects that allow them to bypass certain defenses. Therefore without any clear evidence or statements indicating that Sengoku's attacks specifically negate durability, it would be safe to assume that they do not have this ability.

It is, it has clear visual proof of acting similar to lucci's Rokuogan, but let's not derail the thread

 

[Darkvie123]

It is, it has clear visual proof of acting similar to lucci's Rokuogan, but let's not derail the thread

Ye, we can discuss about this in another thread

 

[That_moron2]

100% Agree.

 

[joyboy]

this is clearly a shockwave just because it has flames bursting out of the explosion doesn't negate the fact that it is a shockwave technique.

 

[DaMonkeMan]

this is clearly a shockwave just because it has flames bursting out of the explosion doesn't negate the fact that it is a shockwave technique.

This has flames bursting out of the explosion. It's also not a shockwave.
Same for King's explosion that nearly killed Zoro.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Explosions can produce shockwaves tho...

 

[Fireld]

Bump

 

[Eminiteable]

I agree with the removal

 

[LordGriffin1000]

The removal seems fine.

 

[KingTempest]

2 admins and the initial thread creator said so, removing

(Removed now, can be closed)