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Say the same for King
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One Piece General Discussion: Elbaph
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DaMonkeMan
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Yes the **** he could.
He literally knocked him out dude.
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Why does this statement imply Kaido believes they are stronger than Queen?
DaMonkeMan
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Okay then.
DaMonkeMan
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Nothing implies they aren't.Why does this statement imply Kaido believes they are stronger than Queen?
Look at their feats and portrayal.
If Kaidou thought Queen or King could have handled them their selves, he'd have sent them up there.
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But couldn't put him down for good because of his endurance allowed him to continuously get up
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Position scaling, wow, you're so smart.
No, all of them have Kenbu to see him, or haki/dura to tank anything he can do.
Sulong Inu and Neko don't.
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Jack went up there himself to back Kaidou up.
Queen and King were downstairs in charge of executing Momonosuke and stopping the Raid.
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Thats not an argument
Their feats aren't enough to scale them above Queen. Their portrayal isn't anything impressive
Are you implying that King and Queen wouldn't even be relevant in a fight against the scabbards? Its obvious that Kaido doesn't ask for help because he wants to savor the fight. Jack only went to the rooftop via his own initiative
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When did I ever say that he didn't get knocked out?
I'm saying that despite that he could get up shortly after, commending his endurance. Most people with Lucci's stats but regular endurance would have stayed down.
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"All of them have Kenbu to see him" Kenbu has never sensed an invisible person in One Piece
"Or haki/dura to tank anything he can do" but don't he got dura neg lasers?
They have stronger damn haki than Queen
DaMonkeMan
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I don't know if you know this but they're literally given these positions due to sheer strength.
And I'm saying that if the Scabbards are as weak as you're saying, then why didn't he just send Queen up there, bring Jack back down, and help with the execution himself?
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I never said that they were weak. I literally only said that Queen can replicate what they did to Aramaki's vines.
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Jack was given his because of not only his strength, but because of his loyalty and ability to make decisions as well.
DaMonkeMan
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The main reason is still strength, hell WW and Drake thought that they would instantly become an All Star if they defeated Quueen.
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Clearly, I'm just saying that claiming that it is due to solely strength isn't entirely true.
DaMonkeMan
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I mean King at least has busted durability and flight, Queen doesn't have much to stop him from getting slammed by the Scabbards.This is how a fight between all 9 scabbards and King would go.
"Totusuka paradi-"
"Jackpot"
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You're literally unable to see the big picture, or are you willingly being goofy?
Queen can beat any of the Scabbards in an 1v1, it took 2 Sulong Scabbards + lots of weaker sulongs attacking Jack to put him down.
If Queen went upstairs to help Kaido, do you realize that Luffy, Zoro and Sanji would only have King and Jack there to stop them? Jack would literally be defeated in negative time and King would be stopped by Marco, bang, the entire Raid just went a whole new path.
Queen didn't go upstairs because he is weaker than Jack, I have no idea how you can even interpret something like that, he didn't go cause he and King were needed to hold the absolute monsters that were heading upstairs + decrease the number of fodder with their large scale attacks.
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King > Marco, but cook
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That means your logic is flawed because it applies to King as well.
You can't say, 'Actually, King can beat the nine scabbards in a fight' and then proceed to ask, 'Why didn't Kaido call King or Queen to help him'?
DaMonkeMan
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We already know 1 Sulong Scabbard = Jack anyway, so what's the point of all that
Jack couldn't even get past the base Mink Scabbards, they go Sulong and he's dead.
One: King literally ******* beat Marco in a 1v1 (or at the least exhausted him until he couldn't fight adequately anymore
Two: I never said he's WEAKER THAN JACK, I said he's WEAKER THAN ALL 9 SCABBARDS.
Three: Yeah? They were needed to hold the monsters heading upstairs?
Well, I ask you, how many of those monsters were actually held back?
Luffy got up there.
Zoro got up there.
Law got up there.
Kidd up there.
Killer got up there.
They only stopped Marco and Sanji, and the latter wouldn't have even been useful against the Emperors anyway.
DaMonkeMan
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I never said he could beat them, but he at least has wincons against them, unlike Queen.
DaMonkeMan
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They didn't scratch him once and he subdued them easily but you think he can't scale to the full power Scabbards?
Y'all have this obsessive need to make everyone below or equal to Queen.
Like it's a genuine crime to say someone beats him.
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DaMonkeMan
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Also even if Aramaki, through some ******* form of black magic, didn't scale to the Scabbards-
He's still above Queen, as he took an ACoC club strike to his head while off-guard and only had a headache.
Meanwhile Marco sonned Zoan Queen with a single fireball.
He's still above Queen, as he took an ACoC club strike to his head while off-guard and only had a headache.
Meanwhile Marco sonned Zoan Queen with a single fireball.
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Your logic is flawed because if there's a chance that King can beat all nine scabbards on his own, that means he would be a huge help in a fight against them. So Kaido didn't ask for help due to different factors other than them not scaling to the scabbards (I cant believe I have to say that
)Idk why we're acting like King wouldn't one shot all of the scabbards
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Who the **** said any calamity could beat 9 scabbards on their own?
DaMonkeMan
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Is this relevant to a conversation about Queen being able to beat the ScabbardsYour logic is flawed because if there's a chance that King can beat all nine scabbards on his own, that means he would be a huge help in a fight against them. So Kaido didn't ask for help due to different factors other than them not scaling to the scabbards (I cant believe I have to say that
Idk why we're acting like King wouldn't one shot all of the scabbards
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First off, that isn't a reason to scale him above Queen
Secondly, no one said that Aramaki loses to Queen. We're saying that he loses to King AND Queen in a 1v2.
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But they did though. They reacted to multiple of his attacks and cut off multiple branches. Maybe they didn't touch his main body but that doesn't matter because they were injured and not in sulong...
Nobody is obsessed...
Saying they beat Queen is not the problem, its your reasoning thats the problem.
DaMonkeMan
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He implied that Aramaki doesn't scale to the full power Scabbards after saying Queen could beat them.
So uh.. What do you think that meant?
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1. Kaido could absolutely one shot the scabbards
2. King has attacks that are stronger than some of Kaido's attacks, like jackpot which was going to straight up murder zoro had he not blocked with armament haki, this is the same zoro that could survive a coated thunder bagua from kaido after breaking multiple bones in his body and exhausting his stamina.
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No one cares if Aramaki > Queen.
But you saying that Aramaki > Queen because he beat the Scabbards isn't sufficient reasoning due to the Scabbards he fought being injured and Queen being able to beat each of the Scabbards as well.
DaMonkeMan
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As a disclaimer, I think Aramaki beats Queen, but not as easily as yall are saying it would.
My entire point was that Aramaki loses to a healthy Queen and King in a 1v2 due to Queen being able to stall Aramaki long enough for King to do King shit and vaporize Aramaki entirely.
