One Piece General Discussion: Elbaph

[Sus]

So it's not fair to say they fought evenly.

Yamato has shown:

Far weaker AP
Far weaker Durability
Far weaker Stamina
Far weaker Endurance

not weaker to the point where he's one shot (pre hao luffy, and almost law & zoro)

 

[Kachon123]

pre hao luffy

When did pre hao Luffy get oneshot?

almost law

Not at all.

zoro

Zoro broke his bones and was already on the ground before he got hit with Thunder Bagua. Not a oneshot.

 

[Ped2018]

Yeah, I'm pretty certain that Oda came up with King's Lunarian abilities late into the fight.

To come up with such an ability and to make it a important plot point is gonna make my respect for Oda as a writer to go up ngl

 

[Sus]

When did pre hao Luffy get oneshot?

gyundari rasun whatever the spinning attack fully knocked out luffy

Not at all.

was knocked out for a while

Zoro broke his bones and was already on the ground before he got hit with Thunder Bagua. Not a oneshot.

well, true

 

[SlendVeny]

Ik you added the last 2 for likes but that's still unironically true.
Sanji didn't do too bad but he was clearly inferior, Lucci fell asleep in 2-3 hit, Yamato was actually making Kaidou bleed somewhat and slammed him, plus she tooks a couple hits from him and got back up despite her head bleeding.

I said Yamato was doing better.

 

[Sus]

point is, yamato stood after multiple haoshoku attacks from kaido when the others were down from 1

 

[DaMonkeMan]

So it's not fair to say they fought evenly.

Yamato has shown:

Far weaker AP
Far weaker Durability
Far weaker Stamina
Far weaker Endurance

I mean, only person who did better against a Yonko that isn't named Akainu or Luffy is Zoro.

 

[Sus]

a no-hao hit from hybrid kaido made pre hao bosu luffy throb and scream
no hao big mom hurt law and kidd alot with every attack

i dont see how they compare to yamato in durability

 

[Kachon123]

gyundari rasun whatever the spinning attack fully knocked out luffy

I don't think you can compare that to normal Thunder Bagua hits, normal Hybrid hits, and normal Hao Infusion hits.

was knocked out for a while

No he wasn't. He was up right after. In the same chapter actually. Like 4 pages, but those pages didn't even show Law so we have no idea if he was truly knocked out at all, especially considering how he was still able to see Luffy awaken Hao Infusion.

 

[SlendVeny]

I mean, only person who did better against a Yonko that isn't named Akainu or Luffy is Zoro.

I mean, Roger too, but that's a given.

 

[Sus]

I don't think you can compare that to normal Thunder Bagua hits, normal Hybrid hits, and normal Hao Infusion hits.

yamato took a hao beat up so

No he wasn't. He was up right after. In the same chapter actually. Like 4 pages, but those pages didn't even show Law so we have no idea if he was truly knocked out at all, especially considering how he was still able to see Luffy awaken Hao Infusion.

fair but

no hao big mom hurt law and kidd alot with every attack

 

[Kachon123]

a no-hao hit from hybrid kaido made pre hao bosu luffy throb and scream

A non-hao hit from Hybrid Kaidou knocked Yamato to the ground, making her wail in pain, spraying blood.

 

[Sus]

also kaido was verbally stated to be trying to kill yamato... which failed... how does he not downscale?

 

[SlendVeny]

A non-hao hit from Hybrid Kaidou knocked Yamato to the ground, making her wail in pain, spraying blood.

He said "aaah," the sound you make when you see a spider on the wall.

 

[Sus]

look at his little paw in the panel

 

[SlendVeny]

look at his little paw in the panel

That's so cute, I love it.

 

[Kachon123]

yamato took a hao beat up so

Endurance ≠ Durability.

She was shown clearly weaker, being on the complete backend during the entire fight:



And this is even backed up by onlookers seeing Yamato completely beat up while Kaido sustained no injuries that were visible:

 

[Kachon123]

I mean, only person who did better against a Yonko that isn't named Akainu or Luffy is Zoro.

Kidd, Law.

Simply fighting a Yonkou isn't the end-all-be-all, as there are others who scale to, and even above the versions of the Yonkou those characters fought.

 

[Kachon123]

He said "aaah," the sound you make when you see a spider on the wall.

Are you being serious?

 

[Ped2018]

Are you beign serious?

Can't even lie dawg, that's kinda cute

 

[Kachon123]

Can't even lie dawg, that's kinda cute

What is

 

[SlendVeny]

She was shown clearly weaker, being on the complete backend during the entire fight:

Yamato was being attacked by an enraged Kaidou, and continued to fight, countering attacks from him.

Are you beign serious?

Not really, but "aaaah" kinda just means you got hit.

 

[SlendVeny]

Also, the spider claim isn't untrue, there was a spider on that island.

 

[DaMonkeMan]

I mean, Roger too, but that's a given.

You'd expect the Pirate King to be able to do that.

Kidd, Law.

Simply fighting a Yonkou isn't the end-all-be-all, as there are others who scale to, and even above the versions of the Yonkou those characters fought.

Ohh.. Right.. Kidd is the guy who got his tooth knocked out by a basic punch from BM, right?
Or is he the guy that was dying from one ACoC attack by Shanks when Yamato and Law could take ACoC attacks from Kaidou?

 

[Kachon123]

Yamato was being attacked by an enraged Kaidou, and continued to fight

Endurance ≠ AP and Durability. The feats speak for themselve.

countering attacks from him.

Scans?

 

[Kachon123]

Kidd is the guy who got his tooth knocked out by a basic punch from BM, right?

Kidd is the guy who, with his awakening, make Bigger Mom scream in pain four times while spitting blood (something Yamato couldn't do to Hybrid Kaidou), and also forced Bigger Mom to dodge one of his attacks.

I don't like Kidd that much either, but you can't just ignore his feats.

Kidd isn't Sanji. He has a normal body composition. He isn't going to facetank an attack with 0 damage.

Or is he the guy that was dying from one ACoC attack by Shanks when Yamato and Law could take ACoC attacks from Kaidou?

Kaidou ≠ Shanks.

 

[Sus]

i love law and kinda like kidd but lets face it theyre not as durable as yamato

 

[Sus]

Kidd is the guy who, with his awakening, make Bigger Mom scream in pain four times while spitting blood (something Yamato couldn't do to Hybrid Kaidou), and also forced Bigger Mom to dodge one of his attacks.

I don't like Kidd that much either, but you can't just ignore his feats.

yamato made hybrid kaido bleed when punk rotten kidd had to use dura neg against base kaido and still barely hurt

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Kidd is the guy who, with his awakening, make Bigger Mom scream in pain four times while spitting blood (something Yamato couldn't do to Hybrid Kaidou), and also forced Bigger Mom to dodge one of his attacks.

I don't like Kidd that much either, but you can't just ignore his feats.

Kidd isn't Sanji. He has a normal body composition. He isn't going to facetank an attack with 0 damage.

Okay, but I don't give a **** about Sanji, who got rocked by discount Doc Ock's tentacle arms.

Kaidou ≠ Shanks.

The Yonko are relative.

 

[SlendVeny]

Scans?

Well, in 1025, his Ice clone is shown to have damaged Kaidou's face, he smacks Kaidou into the ground with no haki, and he blocks a hit from Kaidou, then replies with a hit that causes Kaidou's jaw to make a weird sound.

 

[Sus]

shanks might totally be > kaido and big mom but for now his feat isnt enough to prove it

but it raises the question again, if youre so desperate to kill kidd and law, why didnt she use hao??

 

[SlendVeny]

Okay, but I don't give a **** about Sanji, who got rocked by discount Doc Ock's tentacle arms.

Based

The Yonko are relative.

Mid take lmao

 

[SlendVeny]

shanks might totally be > kaido and big mom but for now his feat isnt enough to prove it

but it raises the question again, if youre so desperate to kill kidd and law, why didnt she use hao??

I legitimately believe she just couldn't for some reason.

 

[Damage3245]

To come up with such an ability and to make it a important plot point is gonna make my respect for Oda as a writer to go up ngl

Really? Makes my respect go down tbh if he's introducing new abilities on the fly without being mindful of consistency.

 

[Sus]

I legitimately believe she just couldn't for some reason.

luffy and kaido straight up spam it but she only used it like 3 times

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Really? Makes my respect go down tbh if he's introducing new abilities on the fly without being mindful of consistency.

Gear 5 fans reading this:

 

[SlendVeny]

Really? Makes my respect go down tbh if he's introducing new abilities on the fly without being mindful of consistency.

But that's like, the whole reason Sanji is so strong.

 

[SlendVeny]

luffy and kaido straight up spam it but she only used it like 3 times

Counterpoint: She isn't Luffy or Kaidou.

 

[Sus]

Counterpoint: She isn't Luffy or Kaidou.

but there need to be a reason why she is the only one not to use it frequently

 

[Kachon123]

yamato made hybrid kaido bleed

I'm sorry but Bigger Mom scales higher than Hybrid Kaido and when comparing raw damage, I don't think that it can be debated that Kidd clearly has higher AP.

Yamato's damage:



Awakening Kidd's damage: