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One last Pokemon Scaling Revision

Totem Pokemon are explicitly empowered by Ultra Space energy. I removed the 7-A stats from Ash because they were not approved by a CR Thread.
 
So what are we going to do with Pikachu? With Crop giving me info on something I missed. How are we gonna handle these files? Most agreed that Pikachu should be fit for at least Town level. What about other anime feats. Are we really just going to pretend they never existed?
 
To an extent. They have to be explicitly feats to rank them in the anime, or at least extremely consistent, like Dragonite being comparable to Charizard.
 
So Ash's Pikachu at most should be at High 7-C since he has fought Lucario multiple times. As well as stronger Pokemon. So back to my original proposal. Since for City level is being ignored.
 
I believe Pikachu is out of the way. How will we treat other mons. Also unhighlight time.
 
Is there anything notable about Totem Pokemon other their status and/or being powered by Ultra Space? I don't have Sun/Moon yet, so I may be missing something here, but I'm not sure why they need keys or profiles at all.
 
They're stronger than their usual species and most scale off of a Totem Wishiwashi, which is superior to Gyarados as per the Pokedex entries.
 
They're stronger than their regular counterparts. For example regular Mimikyu is Room level while Totem Mimikyu is Likely City level due to it's place in the game as it is much more powerful than the Totem Wishiwashi..........Basically what Dark said.....He would ninja me...................
 
Totem Pokemon should be treated as a transformation since they have no established feats and all we know is that the next one will always be stronger they get a key.

We only use Marvel Handbooks to scale marvel characters to one another since it is deemed to inconsistent and the ones who dont have arent following the handbooks are the ones we use feats to define, why should we treat pokemon, a even more inconsistent media any different? The Snivy loss is one of literally hundreds of times Pikachu lost when by all means he should have won, the prime example of this is when he lost to Rorack's Onix who used screach which is a move that does no damage, there was no level reset, Rorack was not strong by any means necessary and Pikachu had 4 regions worth of training.(Again 1 of 100s of examples)

To summarize what the OP is suggesting is, Every Pokemon will be 7-A with MHS speed, before anyone tries to damage control this or say im lying, liste, Pikachu will continue fighting Pokemon, we will scale that Pokemon off him and so on and so forth until everything is 7-A and MHS and everyone who isnt going to be immediately scaled to his new tier, will be scaled to his older ones putting every Pokemon at least at tier 7. If we go down this path our site , to be blunt, will be a laughing stock with things like 7-C MHS Magikarp with the reasoning being "He was a very well trained fish".
 
But the OP specifies that only well-trained Pokemon would scale to each other, not the whole species. If Pikachu is matched by a far weaker Pokemon, its either that he was fighting a well trained Pokemon, or an outlier.
 
DerpCity said:
But the OP specifies that only well-trained Pokemon would scale to each other, not the whole species. If Pikachu is matched by a far weaker Pokemon, its either that he was fighting a well trained Pokemon, or an outlier.
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Exactly we can virtually upgrade anything under the guise of "It was clearly well trained"
 
I'd assume that, like most scenarios I've read about here, it'd be a case by case analysis. Random Trainer Bobby with a Corsola who matches/beats Pikachu because it knew earthquake or something wouldn't be considered scalable. Random Trainer Jojo who's made a name for themselves for being powerful, even compared to gym leaders/other strong trainers, would scale.

Though, that's a lot of what if scenarios to sort through, and not everyone's going to agree with what counts as "well trained" or not.
 
Spiderman has consistently fought the Hulk and Thor in 100s of comics, should he be 4-B for it? Just because something is consistent does not mean it is reasonable.
 
RadicalMrR said:
Spiderman has consistently fought the Hulk and Thor in 100s of comics, should he be 4-B for it? Just because something is consistent does not mean it is reasonable.
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This has nothing to do with Spiderman. This is not Marvel. This is Pokemon. Let me ask you why is High 7-C Pikachu NOT reasonable?
 
I think High 7-C Pikachu is reasonable, but only because of that =>
SPOILERS SUNMOON Ash Pikachu Z Move 10,000,000 Volt Thunderbolt
SPOILERS SUNMOON Ash Pikachu Z Move 10,000,000 Volt Thunderbolt
 
A Pokemon whos Pokedex states that the species tops out at 8-C becoming High 7-C off a couple of fights is unreasonable.

Your right that Pokemon isnt Marvel but its because Pokemon is even more inconsistent and Marvel is a prime example of why what your suggesting is unreasonable, A character who's best feat tops out at 8-C but has been stated to be equal to 4-Bs in some comics and has matched them on numerous occasions, he is more deserving of scaling but we dont allow it because it is unreasonable.

I am not saying they shouldn't get these rating, im suggesting they be put under the Trainer's profile not the Pokemon themselves.
 
So what are we going to do? If High 7-C is not accepted due to Anime reasons. Why is 8-A and Pikachu's speed accepted?
 
I disagree with the speed but I dont think im getting that removed but 8-A came from a power up.
 
Because it's a feat, and not scaling to an outlier. Spidey being MHS is a feat. Spidey winning against Hulk is scaling to an outlier. Pikachu's 8-A in itself was hard to get. Reason that is accepted is because I literally can't count how many Magnemite family lines Pikachu beat, and it still has a perfect record.
 
RadicalMrR said:
I disagree with the speed but I dont think im getting that removed but 8-A came from a power up.
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Yeah, Rad. The speed's not going away. It's listed in the Accepted Calcs page for a reason.
 
I still don't see how that compares. This should not be viewed at how Marvel is viewed. This is not a big of a jump. Are you saying Pikachu defeating Lucario, Being scaled to Charizard, Defeating a Dragonite, Defeating a Metagross and Tyranitar is to be ignored?
 
He lost to Screech from a Onix, for every impressive Pokemon he beat he also lost to a weak one, didnt he even loss to Bellsprout?

I honestly think we should rate Ash for every Region so its slightly less inconsistent.
 
I'm still in support of High 7-C, but for different reasons, and a jump is still a jump.

Defeating Lucario: Understandable, but the gap there is still in the hundreds.

Charizard: Lesser, but still there

Dragonite: Weakened through Tauros, Squirtle, and Charizard

Metagross: Featwise, its < Pikachu

Tyranitar: Gap in the thousands. Scaling Pikachu to it would be like scaling base Sherria to peak Natsu
 
I feel like the example used against this was a little extreme: Spiderman vs Thor is a much bigger gap than Pikachu vs Tyranitar.

Does Ash's pikachu have a profile? Because if we compare him to the main cast in the anime, he's Ash's only real rival for universal constant. Besides, there have been bigger jumps in fiction before, and him having a page might solve a lot of issues. Major problem would be how it would overlap to much with the other two profiles.
 
Sigh Okay. I've now gotten back in the right mind. This is why you don't post when agitated by Final Exams.

Let me get one thing straight here. I AM NOT trying to wank Pokemon here. I simply feel as though we are too restrictive on scaling. I also find it unfair to compare Pokemon to Marvel but whatever.

How about we give Ash's Pikachu the Gyarados treatment.

Low 7-C (Should almost be comparable to his fellow ally Charizard.)
 
All of Ash's Pokemon are in his page.

And even if not Thor and Hulk there are others in tier 8 who we dont scale him to because just like Pikachu here, he doesn't have feats to support the scaling.
 
Dragonmasterxyz said:
Sigh Okay. I've now gotten back in the right mind. This is why you don't post when agitated by Final Exams.

Let me get one thing straight here. I AM NOT trying to wank Pokemon here. I simply feel as though we are too restrictive on scaling. I also find it unfair to compare Pokemon to Marvel but whatever.

How about we give Ash's Pikachu the Gyarados treatment.

Low 7-C (Should almost be comparable to his fellow ally Charizard.)
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Three words: I feel ya
 
I guess Pikachu can be "Small Town level+ (Nearly comparable to his companions Snorlax and Charizard, the former of which one shot a Nidoqueen, who is capable of this level of damage and the ladder can melt glaciers and competitively fight with Pokemon such as Metagross and Dragonite(?))
 
I would much prefer to just use feats but if everyone wants to scale Pikachu to another Pokemon im fine with it.
 
To be perfectly honest the screech example shouldnt be that big of a deal. The anime has constantly showcased moves that don't do any damage be actual deciders when it comes to pokemon battling, just like with Screech

A huge notable example: In the anime Xerneas matched Yveltal's Oblivion Wing with Geomancy in the form of an energy wave.....when Geomancy is only supposed to be a move that increases Xerneas's stats. It's not an attack move in any way and yet this is still possible. And if you want more examples, Ash's counter shields and having his Corpish use Crabhammer to create shockwaves as an attack should suffice too

Im highly sure Screech just either made strong vibrations that beat Pikachu or used strong level sound manipulation. Either way, it wasnt a normal run of the mill screech but that's just me

And I thought the Snivy example was to be permanently dropped due to obvious reasonings.
 
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