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One last Pokemon Scaling Revision

Dragonmasterxyz

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Okay so I'm seriously kinda annoyed about this...

So with certain Pokemon we allow scaling from one Pokemon to another. However we know we cannot scale regular Pokemon to Legendaries. However what is wrong with scaling a Pokemon to another if they have fought? I fail to see the problem. We quickly call something an outlier for an anime feat when the Anime constantly displays Pokemon as stronger than the average Wild Pokemon. I understand why we are iffy on stuff like this. Mainly Pikachu. This is a pokemon who can face a powerful Latios one day and then lose to a Snivy. And then defeat a Tyranitar and Metagross. However let's start out with the fact that Pikachu only lost to Snivy due to Zekrom, A continent level legendary stealing all of his power. Thus his power was reset. But regardless. We should allow well trained pokemon to be higher than their wild counterparts. Here are my suggestions.

-We allow Well-Trained Pokemon to scale higher than their wild counterparts as long as their scaling is reasonable. Such as scaling Pikachu to at least High 7-C for defeating Lucario, being comparable to Charizard and so on and so forth.

-We create keys to separate Pokedex feats and other feats in other media. Example regular Darkrai is Country level in base while Mystery Dungeon Darkrai ONLY is Universe level+.
 
Why wouldn't Pikachu be at least City level+ from scaling off of Candice again? Only using Large Town seems a bit arbitrary when he's faced off against City level and Mountain level opponents.

The rest seems good. I could've sworn this is what we already agreed upon anyway.
 
It makes no sense to be okay with a Large Town feat but not a City feat. We have other trainers going from Town level to City level so it can't be that we consider it an outlier. That would be a double standard.
 
I agree completely with this. With all due respect, I've made suggestions about well trained specific pokemon being a certain tier before, some only due to like hax, and they've all still been called an outlier.

And as for the pikachu thing, yea I still don't see why the snivy thing is still used as an argument either. Not only is it obvious that Pikachu was reset thanks to Zekrom, but the Snivy that it lost to was stronger than most starter Snivy considering it knew leaf storm right off the bat......and it can still be chalked up as PIS to develop Ash and Trips rivalry, like they do for all Pokemon media and fiction in general.
 
We should only scale the trainers this way not the pokemon themselves, as someone whos watched an unhealthy amount of the anime I can tell you the Snivy thing was not a one time thing, stuff like that happens through all the seasons.

A well trained Magikarp matched Pikachu thus he is both MHS and Town level aka the prime example as to why even this type of scaling gets ridiculous.

This type of scaling is what got the pokemon profiles deleted in the first place and will get them deleted again.

When the profiles were allowed back we we had the 1 rule: only use feats.

For the past 2 months we have been more and more lenient and now were almost right back to where we were before they were deleted.
 
@Rad So then we should just remove Pikachu's stats then. His stats are Anime based. His speed and stats are all scaled from Magnemite due to anime feats. This is a double standard.
 
Saikou The Lewd King said:
Ash's Pikachu is a single individual, you are talking about scaling a whole species to an individual's scaling.
Exactly. Ash's Pikachu is FAR stronger than any normal Pikachu. It is also the Pikachu that comes to mind when we say Pikachu. We all know Pikachu as a species aren't all like Town to City level. But Ash's Pikachu is specifically shown to be far above the rest.
 
But if thats the case then how come, for other specific pokemon who have shown feats far above that of regular ones, we havent accepted them via the same reasoning?
 
We all know Pikachu as a species aren't all like Town to City level.

Well....

But yeah I agree with Anime. This is a very well trained Pikachu used by a (contrary to popular belief) skilled trainer. Of course its going to be a cut above the rest.
 
Anime4Life2020 said:
But if thats the case then how come, for other specific pokemon who have shown feats far above that of regular ones, we havent accepted them via the same reasoning?
Well it depends on the feat and the pokemon stats as a wild mon. For example if a Typhlosion beats a Camerupt. It would still be City level. However if a pokemon has constantly been shown fighting multiple waaaaay higher level mons. Then it is something that needs to be considered imo.
 
The real cal howard said:
And Spider-Man is a very well trained Superhero. Doesn't make him beating Firelord any less of an outlier.
Not as comparable Cal.
 
That comparison makes no sense. That be like saying Spiderman can't be Large Building level because its an outlier for the human race.
 
The only way I see Pikachu breaking into tier 7 without scaling is acknowledging that his Z Move creates thunderclouds.
 
Here's the problem. My comparison would make more sense for scaling, because at least Spidey has a legitimate reason to be stronger than the rest of his race by far. Pikachu on the other hand, well, the Charles Atlas trope can only get you so far. Maybe Batman would be a better example. Yes, he's clearly wayyy above an average human, but him fighting almost any other JLA member would be an outlier.
 
But then by this logic Goku shouldn't be higher than Planet level due to him being a simple saiyan. Krillin shouldn't be Planet level due to him only being a human. Batman usually has prep time when he fights and develops weapons for his cause. Pikachu has always been shown to be different from the average Pikachu. And like I said. If we do this then Pikachu should just be placed at unknown. You're being very restrictive and overly cautious about this. It's honestly unfair seeing as we have Universe level+ Darkrai who surpassed all these other legendaries all of a sudden. And before you say "It's because he's a legendary from another continuity" remember we stated for awhile Universe level+ Darkrai was an outlier, but due to him commiting multiple Universal feats he's Low 2-C. Why can this not work for regular pokemon when they fight other regular pokemon. What makes this different from any other anime?

Although you obviously won't agree. But somethings need to be checked up on. Because this is too restrictive. A good amount of people seem to agree. But I guess what I say won't really matter...
 
Well, given how contradictory and messy the Pokemon continuities, and comparative statistics, are, it is probably best to stick to the scaling rules that we outlined in the verse page, or it will all turn into an incomprehensible mess.

LordAizenSama handled this the last time, but he has quit from his position, so I am not sure how to approach this.
 
Dragonmasterxyz said:
Well it depends on the feat and the pokemon stats as a wild mon. For example if a Typhlosion beats a Camerupt. It would still be City level. However if a pokemon has constantly been shown fighting multiple waaaaay higher level mons. Then it is something that needs to be considered imo.
I understand that but that would also be the case with Pokemon who are not only much stronger than their own wild species, but have also fought Pokemon of other species who are>>>>>>>the other pokemon's species as well

For example (my bad for bringing this up again but it appears to be appropriate with this example), Beheeyem who has shown feats that no other Beheeyem has ever shown before, and is a specifically trained one too, that has also fought against and considerably embarassed Ash and the others pokemon, who are obviously much stronger than the wild members of their own species

Does my example make sense or no?
 
Well a fine example is Mimikyu. A regular Mimikyu is Like Room level. Totem Mimikyu is likely City level.
 
Dragonmasterxyz said:
@Rad So then we should just remove Pikachu's stats then. His stats are Anime based. His speed and stats are all scaled from Magnemite due to anime feats. This is a double standard.
No its not because I disagree with those stats as well.

Scaling like this should only be for trainers not the Pokemon themselves, this way we still have Ash's 7-A Pikachu as well as our spieces Pikachu profile.
 
Also your Goku comparison doesnt work.

If we had a profile named Saiyans and it was 3-A than youd have ground to stand on.

Ash's Pikachu is the equivilent of Goku and hes 7-A so no this is not double standards.
 
RadicalMrR said:
Also your Goku comparison doesnt work.
If we had a profile named Saiyans and it was 3-A than youd have ground to stand on.

Ash's Pikachu is the equivilent of Goku and hes 7-A so no this is not double standards.
Hence why I gave the Krillin example.

But Pikachu is 8-A....not 7-A. Crop went out his way to remove that.
 
Also why would we put it on a separate file when we could simply place another Key detailing that it is "Ash's Pikachu"?
 
Ash's team which includes Pilachu is 7-A so I dont understand the problam.

If someome wants to use just him they will just specify it in the OP.
 
As for your krillen example also doesnt work if we had Human (Dragon Ball) that would be a fair comparison.
 
RadicalMrR said:
Ash's team which includes Pilachu is 7-A so I dont understand the problam.
If someome wants to use just him they will just specify it in the OP.
What I do not understand is why we simply can't make a key for Ash's Pikachu on the Pikachu file since we agreed that when we post feats, we make a key for it. This is better than cluttering Ash's file with every one of his pokemon.

See the problem here?
 
RadicalMrR said:
As for your krillen example also doesnt work if we had Human (Dragon Ball) that would be a fair comparison.
You are literally arguing technicalities that really don't matter in the long run.
 
I did not knew about Zekrom, we should allow the proposed stats for Ash and Pikachu, however we should ignore cases like Pikachu attacking Zapdos, Mewtwo, Arceus and etc. and Ash Sceptile defeating Darkrai.
 
Because 1 Pikachu out of an entire species being 7-A is ridicules considering the species tops out at 8-C.
 
RadicalMrR said:
Because 1 Pikachu out of an entire species being 7-A is ridicules considering the species tops out at 8-C.
But it's okay for Totem Pokemon to be above their normal counterparts when they are the exact same thing?
 
RadicalMrR said:
Totem Pokemon should have there own profile.
Why make a new file when we could simply put a key on the files? If we do this than Mewtwo is gonna need like 2 more files, Darkrai and Cresselia are gonna need another file, Rayquaza and Deoxys are gonna need another file. Heck Technically most legendaries are gonna need another file. See what I mean. This is why Pokemon files should be composite. We are simply going to clutter things for no reason whatsoever when we can simply my separate keys. Take Digimon for example. Digimon are stronger or weaker depending on the media. However, we separate them via keys to save effort and to keep from cluttering things.

EDIT: No hard feelings btw.
 
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