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Omnitrix Profile Revamp

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Hello. @Ultimate-Rex1, @GeneralSol16, and I have created a new Omnitrix page, as the current one is significantly outdated. It is evident that it does not even separate the keys for each version.

- Current Profile

- The New One

- New abilities and resistances plus separated all abilities and resistances for each version correctly:


Votes: Ultimate-Rex1 (Agree), AyOgUyS (Agree), Hellformer (Agree), LordGriffin1000 (Agrees with everything but wants to seperate power nullification and redirection from reactive evolution), Reiner04 (Same as LordGriffin1000), DemonicDude (Agree), Tllmbrg (Wants to remove Power Nullification and Attack Reflection from the page which we agree with it, seems to agree with the rest), LuffyRuffy46307 (Agree), Antvasima (Agrees with everything), DarkDragonMedeus (Agrees with Reiner, but also waits for Firestorm's respond)
 
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Just after skimming through the profile, I think self-destruction ratings should also have “Varies up to 1-C, likely 1-B” since the output depends on the charge time and isn’t always 1-C/1-B.

It’s late for me so I’ll have a proper look at everything later (unless I forget).
 
Just after skimming through the profile, I think self-destruction ratings should also have “Varies up to 1-C, likely 1-B” since the output depends on the charge time and isn’t always 1-C/1-B.

It’s late for me so I’ll have a proper look at everything later (unless I forget).
ah yeah you are right it should have varies rating
 
Just after skimming through the profile, I think self-destruction ratings should also have “Varies up to 1-C, likely 1-B” since the output depends on the charge time and isn’t always 1-C/1-B.

It’s late for me so I’ll have a proper look at everything later (unless I forget).
I think you're right, if it was always 1-C,likely 1-B, then it should be kill Vilgax and everyone
 
Hello. @Ultimate-Rex1, @GeneralSol16, and I have created a new Omnitrix page, as the current one is significantly outdated. It is evident that it does not even separate the keys for each version.

- Current Profile

- The New One

- New abilities and resistances plus separated all abilities and resistances for each version correctly:


Votes: Ultimate-Rex1 (Agrees with everything), AyOgUyS (Agrees with everything)
Excellent job! I agree
 
Looking alright so far but for the pre reconfigure key, remove that last bit from Reactive Evolution regarding it being immune to Hex's powers and nullifying them as evidence. It literally just says it made his spells act on himself and it nulled them for a time which isn't justification. The same scan you used for Attack Reflection and Power Nullification, it's evidence for those powers, not Reactive Evolution. For it to have been that you'd need a statement saying it gained those abilities as a result of experiencing Hex's powers which isn't listed. The rest of the description looks fine though.

Will comment if I see anything else note worthy but so far this stuff looks alright.
 
Looking alright so far but for the pre reconfigure key, remove that last bit from Reactive Evolution regarding it being immune to Hex's powers and nullifying them as evidence. It literally just says it made his spells act on himself and it nulled them for a time which isn't justification. The same scan you used for Attack Reflection and Power Nullification, it's evidence for those powers, not Reactive Evolution. For it to have been that you'd need a statement saying it gained those abilities as a result of experiencing Hex's powers which isn't listed. The rest of the description looks fine though.
Agree with griffin regarding RE, AR and PN.
 
Looking alright so far but for the pre reconfigure key, remove that last bit from Reactive Evolution regarding it being immune to Hex's powers and nullifying them as evidence. It literally just says it made his spells act on himself and it nulled them for a time which isn't justification. The same scan you used for Attack Reflection and Power Nullification, it's evidence for those powers, not Reactive Evolution. For it to have been that you'd need a statement saying it gained those abilities as a result of experiencing Hex's powers which isn't listed. The rest of the description looks fine though.

Will comment if I see anything else note worthy but so far this stuff looks alright.
the thing is Omnitrix's malfunctions in the old show was the reason of Gwen's mana the recalibrated omnitrix had no issues while a stronger gwen with mana being around how about we seperate Power null and AR from the RE?
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Looking alright so far but for the pre reconfigure key, remove that last bit from Reactive Evolution regarding it being immune to Hex's powers and nullifying them as evidence. It literally just says it made his spells act on himself and it nulled them for a time which isn't justification. The same scan you used for Attack Reflection and Power Nullification, it's evidence for those powers, not Reactive Evolution. For it to have been that you'd need a statement saying it gained those abilities as a result of experiencing Hex's powers which isn't listed. The rest of the description looks fine though.

Will comment if I see anything else note worthy but so far this stuff looks alright.
RE comes from the Omnitrix (AF) adapting to a stronger Gwen, since now it isn't affected by her Mana unlike in the Original Series, being that the reason for its malfunctions.
We can separate RE from AR/PN, tho.
 
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I agree with everything except this part:

If I'm not mistaken, the falisafe of the prototype is this one here:

it is also one of them, it recharges and transforms ben without touching the watch if neccecary
 
the thing is Omnitrix's malfunctions in the old show was the reason of Gwen's mana the recalibrated omnitrix had no issues while a stronger gwen with mana being around how about we seperate Power null and AR from the RE?
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RE comes from the Omnitrix (AF) adapting to a stronger Gwen, since now it isn't affected by her Mana unlike in the Original Series, being that the reason for its malfunctions.
We can separate RE from AR/PN, tho.
I don't mind the reactive evolution, when I mentioned remove the last bit, yes I meant seperate them from it.
 
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Wym govern, it's simulating stuff inside itself, I don't think we give computers information manipulation for running a physics engine on it, don't see why this counts.

Purification (Type 2 & 3; The Omnitrix regenerated Ben’s soul after it was corrupted by Ghostfreak, indicating that it possesses a ‘default state’ for the user’s essence. If the soul becomes corrupted, the Omnitrix is capable of purifying and restoring it to this default state. Could nullify the affects of Retalatior Armor's Elecitricity & Paralysis Inducement effect also removed the ice on Heatblast)
First portion is just what???? Why are we assuming Ghostfreak affects the soul itself, especially when the given scans is just a pop-out questioning who's currently talking. Furthermore, why is the assumption here purification and not just "Ghostfreak is getting shoved back into the Omnitrix."
The other chunk I also don't follow how it qualifies, first scan still has Stinkfly have some electric sparks after the transformation, it's clearly just not effective on him. Meanwhile Grey Matter is just ice disappearing, I sincerely doubt the intent is to act like transforming removes that, rather than Grey Matter getting out and then the ice falling while it was flashing (Not to mention we can easily grab cases where Ben is in ice, and if this was a thing then you'd think he'd just quickly transform to get out).

Instinctive Action (The failsafe protects Ben from being attacked and will either transform him into an alien necessary to survive the attack or project an omni-energy wave..)
Would remove the second example, we see Ben dial the Omnitrix a second before, it's clearly a cinematic timing thing.

Body Puppetry and Power Bestowal (The Omnitrix provides abilities that the user does not inherently possess, such as Ditto being able to fly. It also controls the abilities of transformations, as shown when Ghostfreak activated his intangibility without Ben’s conscious control, indicating aspects not inherent to those species.)
I'd toss limited on Power Bestowal here, since Ditto is only a result of being split like that.

Mana Restoration (The Omnitrix is capable of recreating and removing Ghostfreak and Upgrade's Mana/Life energy from every time Ben turns into them, as those species lack it completely, meaning that the device must reconstruct and get rid of Ben's energy every time he goes them
Would remove the Ship example, since Gwen is saying she has trouble to find him, not that he lacks mana completely.

Why is this source considered canon to the show, and why is the assumption that the Omnitrix is literally nulling and redirecting it?

Isn't this from a far later model of the Omnitrix, why do earlier models, especially the prototype, get it?

Neither of these are literal, we Ben just stand around and hold the DNAlien, surely either Gwen or Kevin would've said something about him literally diving into it. And then entire Ultimatrix example has the episode says it's a simulation (Which is consistent with how the Ultimate process has been described across the series). Not to mention your scans for Information analysis calls the world inside the Omnitrix a simulation.

Mana Manipulation (Through adaptation, it later adjusted to Gwen’s mana, which initially caused malfunctions within the Omnitrix. As a result, the Omnitrix became immune to the Mana.)
Again why are these the first assumptions?

The first example literally has him die a moment later from the machine, why would this be evidence for Mid-Godly, what did the failsafe just decide to give up?
Heck, if something like Upgrade has no mana, why didn't he transform to it after recovering, wouldn't that save him? Off this I'm more inclined to say that either we need to treat Mana as something different than your soul, or Ben specifically can die to soul fuckery.

Astral plane????? Ben 10 did not use that term, change that wording.

How is this sealing or NPI, it created them inside the simulation, what do I get sealing for creating an AI?

Purification (All Types; It removed the effects of Gwen’s mana spells upon transformation, such as melting & transmutating Chromastone and his beams into a liquid state, gravity effects, speed reduction, and sealing effects..)
Why are we assuming it's an active power, rather than Gwen's magic just not working on entire new bodies? Like, Ben is effectively just recreating his body with each transformation, no reason to assume Gwen's magic just carries over.
 
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Wym govern, it's simulating stuff inside itself, I don't think we give computers information manipulation for running a physics engine on it, don't see why this counts.
i'm not expert on info type 2 this ability was added long time ago i think it would be better to check the crt where it got approved
First portion is just what???? Why are we assuming Ghostfreak affects the soul itself, especially when the given scans is just a pop-out questioning who's currently talking.
Ghostfreak is a literal ghost that has possesing abilities he seems to posses mind and soul espically when he was capable of destroying someone's soul in the show also the pop up was for Ghostfreak sometimes takes the control of Ben's body
Furthermore, why is the assumption here purification and not just "Ghostfreak is getting shoved back into the Omnitrix."
i believe that removing a possesion on mind/soul level effect qualifys for purification type 2
The other chunk I also don't follow how it qualifies, first scan still has Stinkfly have some electric sparks after the transformation, it's clearly just not effective on him.
watch the scene before that please he immobilized upgrade on the screen and the effect gets removed when he turns into stinkfly and the electricity effect dissapears lowkey slowly
Meanwhile Grey Matter is just ice disappearing, I sincerely doubt the intent is to act like transforming removes that, rather than Grey Matter getting out and then the ice falling while it was flashing (Not to mention we can easily grab cases where Ben is in ice, and if this was a thing then you'd think he'd just quickly transform to get out).
the scene clearly shows us that the ice got dissapeared within the said body i wouldn't say it fall and got away from the ice like that they didn't show that to us, it was just ice dissapearing
Would remove the second example, we see Ben dial the Omnitrix a second before, it's clearly a cinematic timing thing.
i disagree with that part dialing the omnitrix doesn't mean it is cinematic timing it is clearly a scene that ben gets transformed without touching the watch as we seen from the episode
I'd toss limited on Power Bestowal here, since Ditto is only a result of being split like that.
i mean we don't assume Power Bestwoal grants any power to the said things it is just one of them i'm not sure why this should be limited
Would remove the Ship example, since Gwen is saying she has trouble to find him, not that he lacks mana completely.
"Ship is technology and i have trouble tracing something isn't alive" Mana is life energy so which leads to the same reason with Ghostfreak both species aren't alive so they don't have any life energy
Why is this source considered canon to the show,
not sure i don't have the full content on this ability i would likely to ask @Ultimate-Rex1 and @GeneralSol16
and why is the assumption that the Omnitrix is literally nulling and redirecting it?
"Villian defense mode" it clearly shows us that Omnitrix is doing it as it was stated that in the scans
Isn't this from a far later model of the Omnitrix, why do earlier models, especially the prototype, get it?
Servantis made this machine long time ago when Ben was 11 years old the machine was made for prototype (pre-recal) omnitrix Servantis stopped hunting Ben after he quit about being a superhero in OV flashback (when he was 11 years old)
Neither of these are literal, we Ben just stand around and hold the DNAlien, surely either Gwen or Kevin would've said something about him literally diving into it. And then entire Ultimatrix example has the episode says it's a simulation (Which is consistent with how the Ultimate process has been described across the series). Not to mention your scans for Information analysis calls the world inside the Omnitrix a simulation.
a Simulated world inside the Omnitrix which is bigger than it's outside doesn't count for Dimensional storage as it stores aliens? also this was from previous crts as well something we didn't add
Again why are these the first assumptions?
Most of Omnitrix's unexplained malfunctions in the show was the result of Gwen's mana, in Alien Force during season 1-2 (Highbreed Arc) didn't got malfunctioned and Ben was getting any alien he wants from the Omnitrix during these seasons
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The first example literally has him die a moment later from the machine, why would this be evidence for Mid-Godly, what did the failsafe just decide to give up?
it's for the Low-Godly regen part as it restored Ben's body after it was compeletly destroyed Ultimatrix isn't advenced as it's previous counterparts or like Omniverse Omnitrix probably that is the reason the Mid-Godly part is the Ghostfreak one which regenerates his soul, mind and body mana means multiple things more than one like life energy, soul, mind etc
Heck, if something like Upgrade has no mana, why didn't he transform to it after recovering, wouldn't that save him? Off this I'm more inclined to say that either we need to treat Mana as something different than your soul, or Ben specifically can die to soul fuckery.
I mean the only time he can transform from this situation would be via Failsafe which didn't because of lacking some life saving functions that the other omnitrices have
Astral plane????? Ben 10 did not use that term, change that wording.
i've used ChatGPT to clear the grammar guess that gone too much, any suggestion about the wording?
How is this sealing or NPI, it created them inside the simulation, what do I get sealing for creating an AI?
The Ultimates were real they had mind, soul and body i believe that is because of that i don't mind if this ability gets removed i'm not the one who added it please ask this to @GeneralSol16 and @Ultimate-Rex1
Why are we assuming it's an active power, rather than Gwen's magic just not working on entire new bodies? Like, Ben is effectively just recreating his body with each transformation, no reason to assume Gwen's magic just carries over.
so like recreating a body allows him to get rid of those effects? i believe we need some status effect removal for the parts that needs to get rid of it
 
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i'm not expert on info type 2 this ability was added long time ago i think it would be better to check the crt where it got approved
What CRT was that?

i disagree with that part dialing the omnitrix doesn't mean it is cinematic timing it is clearly a scene that ben gets transformed without touching the watch as we seen from the episode
We literally Ben move it around, then jump upward, the intent to me at least seems like he chose a transformation and then with cinematic timing he goes to that alien mid-jump.

Ghostfreak is a literal ghost that has possesing abilities he seems to posses mind and soul espically when he was capable of destroying someone's soul in the show also the pop up was for Ghostfreak sometimes takes the control of Ben's body
Destroying the soul is not the same as possessing it, we have no indication he was trying to destroy Ben's soul like that (Especially since while Omniverse is notoriously trying to mainly adhere to the OG show, it's still a retroactive power addition)

i mean we don't assume Power Bestwoal grants any power to the said things it is just one of them i'm not sure why this should be limited
It's limited because the only alien we ever really saw it with was Ditto, and that was specifically because it's multiple bodies flying to one another to transform back. If the Omnitrix just freely granted flight, why has no Ben 10,000 used that feature?

"Ship is technology and i have trouble tracing something isn't alive" Mana is life energy so which leads to the same reason with Ghostfreak both species aren't alive so they don't have any life energy
Still, she is not saying he completely lacks it, so I'd just stick to Ghostfreak who is directly confirmed to lack mana.

"Villian defense mode" it clearly shows us that Omnitrix is doing it as it was stated that in the scans
Why are you assuming he's not just transforming off screen and beating Hex, surely we'd see Ben use something that directly redirects things such as magic or energy blasts more often?

a Simulated world inside the Omnitrix which is bigger than it's outside doesn't count for Dimensional storage as it stores aliens? also this was from previous crts as well something we didn't add
Don't care, the evidence right now looks nonsensical, and since this is a thread revising the page, might as well address it now.
Also yes, it does not, because computers can also simulate entire worlds if you give them enough processing power.

it's for the Low-Godly regen part as it restored Ben's body after it was compeletly destroyed Ultimatrix isn't advenced as it's previous counterparts or like Omniverse Omnitrix probably that is the reason the Mid-Godly part is the Ghostfreak one which regenerates his soul, mind and body mana means multiple things more than one like life energy, soul, mind etc
Frankly I think considering Transmutation & DNA Manipulation evidence says the Omnitrix merges him with the other species, and that we know the Omnitrix can host immaterial things such as minds, that it's more likely Ben's soul goes inside the Omnitrix. Granted I feel like mana page doesn't really prove that mana = soul to begin with, off reading the page all I see is evidence it's generic magical life force, not literally the soul (Even the scan that directly claims it's the soul says "life energy" so).

I've used ChatGPT to clear the grammar guess that gone too much, any suggestion about the wording?
First of all, don't use ChatGPT for profiles, secondly, just say it revived him from inside the Omnitrix (Granted if he really died there is something I'd argue about considering everything we know about the Omnitrix's operation, but I can't make certain claims either way)

The Ultimates were real they had mind, soul and body i believe that is because of that i don't mind if this ability gets removed i'm not the one who added it please ask this to @GeneralSol16 and @Ultimate-Rex1
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so like recreating a body allows him to get rid of those effects? i believe we need some status effect removal for the parts that needs to get rid of it
If I set you on fire, and you just swap bodies, do you think that's purification, I don't so that's my rational here.
 
We literally Ben move it around, then jump upward, the intent to me at least seems like he chose a transformation and then with cinematic timing he goes to that alien mid-jump.
We never seen him slapping the watch, if he doesn't, then the Omnitrix can't transform him unless it can do it by itself. Which is literally what happens.
Destroying the soul is not the same as possessing it, we have no indication he was trying to destroy Ben's soul like that (Especially since while Omniverse is notoriously trying to mainly adhere to the OG show, it's still a retroactive power addition)
All of Ghostfreak's abilities work on the level of its Mana, body and all that shit, pretending that it doesn't in the OS even tho it's not a new (in-lore) ability is your own interpretation.
It's limited because the only alien we ever really saw it with was Ditto, and that was specifically because it's multiple bodies flying to one another to transform back. If the Omnitrix just freely granted flight, why has no Ben 10,000 used that feature?
What kind of argument is that? Not even the same Timeline, not even the same season, not even sure if Ben 10K knows that at all, we dolr even know if it's something that can be controlled or something randomly produced by the watch in certain cases.
Still, she is not saying he completely lacks it, so I'd just stick to Ghostfreak who is directly confirmed to lack mana.
You're definitely over complicating things, man
Why are you assuming he's not just transforming off screen and beating Hex, surely we'd see Ben use something that directly redirects things such as magic or energy blasts more often?
Prove it.
All of this is just your Head Canon, man, if the scans says something, and you specifically need to make up a whole new situation and context, then that's on you, not the show.

And every Ben 10 media is accepted as supporting evidence.
Frankly I think considering Transmutation & DNA Manipulation evidence says the Omnitrix merges him with the other species, and that we know the Omnitrix can host immaterial things such as minds, that it's more likely Ben's soul goes inside the Omnitrix.
Once again, but sorry, that's your head canon not what actually happens.
The Omnitrix doesn't merge Ben with his aliens, he completely transforms him into them. It has never been mentioned as capable of absorbing Mana.
If that was true, Morningstar would have been able to absorb it regardless of Ben's form since he can absorb energy from the Omnitrix and Gwen could track him as she can sense his Mana from inside the Omnitrix.
Granted I feel like mana page doesn't really prove that mana = soul to begin with, off reading the page all I see is evidence it's generic magical life force, not literally the soul (Even the scan that directly claims it's the soul says "life energy" so).
That's just synonyms holy molym Mana is the fundamental aspects of the entire reality, not just "generic magical life force"
First of all, don't use ChatGPT for profiles, secondly, just say it revived him from inside the Omnitrix (Granted if he really died there is something I'd argue about considering everything we know about the Omnitrix's operation, but I can't make certain claims either way)
Huh? The machine destroyed Ben's body and failed to get his Mana, is not until he falls that it gets absorbed, even tho the machine did that passively, but it couldn't do it even when he was on it and got desintegrated. And even then, this is the Ultimatrix.
Gwen says she's in her astral form so she could go inside the watch, what else would this mean?
If I set you on fire, and you just swap bodies, do you think that's purification, I don't so that's my rational here.
Oh, yeah, because that's exactly the same as Conceptual manipulation type 1. It's clearly stated that you need comparable levels o CM to counter CM, not just random transformations.
The watch needs that to counter it, otherwise the effects would have stayed no matter what alien he was in.

All your colter arguments are based on baseless assumtuoks or you lsckikg knowledge on how the verse works, sorry but that's it.
 
Wym govern, it's simulating stuff inside itself, I don't think we give computers information manipulation for running a physics engine on it, don't see why this counts.
Actually, it isn't just a simulation inside the Dimension of the Omnitrix, rather, the entire dimension itself is a simulation within it. As Gwen stated:
"It is not Petropia; Just like it wasn't Belwood before, it is all a computer simulation."

She later expanded on this by saying:
"The Omnitrix scans DNA. What if it scanned and downloaded us, just like it downloaded your homework?"

The Omnitrix clearly can manipulate reality as if it were simply data or information, housing an entire universe built out of data within itself. Such stuff clearly qualify for Type 2 [Information] according to our page:
2. Fundamental: These characters can manipulate information that serves as a fundamental building block of reality. This information is shown to compose reality similar to how data underlies a video game world, code defines the rules of a simulation or in a fashion equally fundamental to these examples. This may allow characters to rewrite the world to their whims, often by programming it much like they would a virtual reality. The ability can come on many levels of potency. The possible uses range from being the mechanism behind mundane magical abilities to rewriting information to change reality, causality or the laws of nature.
 
All of Ghostfreak's abilities work on the level of its Mana, body and all that shit, pretending that it doesn't in the OS even tho it's not a new (in-lore) ability is your own interpretation.
Saying he corrupts the soul itself is in fact an ability you're assuming he has, it's just not the same as soul destruction, and I see no reason to assume it's an actual thing unless there's a direct statement that is what going on.

What kind of argument is that? Not even the same Timeline, not even the same season, not even sure if Ben 10K knows that at all, we dolr even know if it's something that can be controlled or something randomly produced by the watch in certain cases.
If your argument is "He can't actively use it and it might be random" then that's still limited, but for other reasons. Regardless, I really don't see why Ben 10,000 would not know about this feature, considering he's suppose to be an expert of the Omnitrix.

You're definitely over complicating things, man
I think the example is just misleading wording wise, so it's better to cut it off.

Prove it.
All of this is just your Head Canon, man, if the scans says something, and you specifically need to make up a whole new situation and context, then that's on you, not the show.
And every Ben 10 media is accepted as supporting evidence.
You prove it's just straight up redirection, I in fact think we should not give characters abilities off random cards in a game that have no greater context for them, with there being rather easy explanations in the mainline media.

Once again, but sorry, that's your head canon not what actually happens.
The Omnitrix doesn't merge Ben with his aliens, he completely transforms him into them. It has never been mentioned as capable of absorbing Mana.
If that was true, Morningstar would have been able to absorb it regardless of Ben's form since he can absorb energy from the Omnitrix and Gwen could track him as she can sense his Mana from inside the Omnitrix.
The scan literally says he merges his DNA with the other aliens, also if you're arguing that the Omnitrix has an entire pocket dimension inside it and is simulating everything to the point it can spawn literal spawns and recreate mana, Gwen not being able to track him is just an anti-feat for Gwen's range at that point, since it should just have mana in it either way. Really that's true regardless of the dimension since, since the Omnitrix is a device that keeps DNA samples, so unless they're dead, they should have mana.

That's just synonyms holy molym Mana is the fundamental aspects of the entire reality, not just "generic magical life force"
The page just establishes it's magical life force that fuels aspects of reality, as far as the scans go I don't see it showing it's literally the soul as well.

Oh, yeah, because that's exactly the same as Conceptual manipulation type 1. It's clearly stated that you need comparable levels o CM to counter CM, not just random transformations.
The watch needs that to counter it, otherwise the effects would have stayed no matter what alien he was in.
Alternatively not every spell Gwen casts alters reality on a fundamental basis, and some stuff is just not operating on that level.
 
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