Oblivion rework

[Confluctor]

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Here is my rework of Oblivion. The page can finally look good.

Tl;dr

• New P&A
• Added scans and justifications
• Removed unknown from its manifestations key
  • However, I left intelligence as unknown because... well, it's kinda hard to give Oblivion a tier in that section
• Added a note about Iceman

 

[Hasty12345]

what does "varies up to omnipresent" mean? does that mean he can have any finite speed, infinite speed and immeasurable speed?

 

[Confluctor]

That is correct.

 

[Confluctor]

I have linked knull and chaos king's files to it

 

[Hasty12345]

one more question, since the profile seems to be a pretty decent overhaul, are there any pictures of Oblivion worth rendering to make it look more in line with the other entities mentioned on his page? Because that would be cool

 

[Confluctor]

Maybe these three?

 

[Hasty12345]

Maybe these three?

IMO I think it would be so cool if we could get a render of the third image similar to a how Seiya's god cloth render is on his page.

But that's just my opinion, I just thought it would be a cool addition to his profile as it would make it more aesthetically pleasing and more in-line with the other abstracts.

As for the contents of the revision itself, I think for the most part it all looks good and I agree with changes.

 

[Confluctor]

I definitely agree. More images are needed. But rendering the third one might be a pain, especially because the text kinda ruins it lol

 

[Hasty12345]

I definitely agree. More images are needed. But rendering the third one might be a pain, especially because the text kinda ruins it lol

maybe someone skilled with photoshop could cut an duplicate another part of the cape and make it look pretty?

But I'll stop derailing the thread now with aesthetics of the page when there's some pretty important abilities that probably need some staff input.

 

[Confluctor]

I could do it myself, but my PC is slow af and i am too lazy

 

[XXKINGXX69]

There has to be a reason why its a "varies" and omnipresence doesn't tell me if he can react to immeasurable speed or infinite speed or massively hypersonic characters. Add travel and combat/ reaction speed too, omnipresence isn't enough

And is being the concept of nothing not type 2 Nature NEP?

 

[Confluctor]

Check out Chaos King and Knull. And also there is his fight against Infinity in a conceptual plane, who is omnipresent. And that's what the standard is so far, unless someone wants to change it.

And what do you mean about the last one?

 

[XXKINGXX69]

We are still allowed to add Omnipresent with <speed> reactions, it will be good to add it directly to the profile

The last one is non existent physiology

 

[Confluctor]

except Oblivion himself doesn't fight... And the marvel speed section is pretty bad. So until verse-wide revisions, can't do anything about it. And with omnipresent... I don't see what attack or reaction needs to be specified. He is omnipresent.


He already has NEP type 1. Can you elaborate further?

 

[Confluctor]

I will be honest, I don't get NEP as a power. irrelevant power

 

[XXKINGXX69]

Omnipresence isn't reaction or combat speed, so its good to add the combat and reaction speed from chaos king. Thats what I meant

So Oblivion is the concept of nothingness, right? Read this and try to see which one fits Oblivion. Its confusing as hell, so I think you should make a thread asking about it

 

[XXKINGXX69]

Everything else is good, I agree with the changes

 

[Confluctor]

Omnipresence isn't reaction or combat speed, so its good to add the combat and reaction speed from chaos king. Thats what I meant

I already know that tho... But again that's why varied tier is there, and that's why I already linked the other files to it. And as I said, without verse wide revisions, it stays. In addition, it's an omnipresent being...

And I read the page, just the power sucks lol

 

[LordTracer]

I agree with this rework, I only have a minor nitpick that you don’t need to put Mikaboshi’s durability justification on Oblivion’s page.

Also I would personally change the “His manifestations can be as "weak" as the Universal Abstracts” in his first key to “His manifestations can be as "weak" as Knull”

 

[Confluctor]

Agree with the second one. Will make the change soon.

Can you explain what you mean by your first point?

 

[LordTracer]

You currently have Oblivion’s durability justification as this:

Varies up to Low Outerverse level (Chaos King: Nearly impossible to kill due to abstract nature, lack of any weak points, and was only defeated via BFR[17][18] with the help of The One Above All[19][20], Survived the blows of God Of Gods Hercules)

But you could just put something like this:

Varies, up to Low Outerverse level (His avatar, the Chaos King, is this durable)

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

The justification for transduality would be Type 3, not 4, unless there is some context missing here.

 

[Confluctor]

You currently have Oblivion’s durability justification as this:

But you could just put something like this:

Ah, okay. Will remove that.

The justification for transduality would be Type 3, not 4, unless there is some context missing here.

Will change it.

 

[Confluctor]

@Antvasima @The_Impress @The_2nd_Existential_Seed @Eficiente

 

[Antvasima]

The page needs to be written in entirely formal academic language. Terms like "You see" should definitely be adjusted. Also, spelling, sentence structure, and grammar errors must be searched for and corrected. And the first letter of statistics such as "Gifted" should be capitalised.

Also, Oblivion exists beyond the Marvel multiverse, not just the Marvel universe.

 

[Tllmbrg]

The page needs to be written in entirely formal academic language.

?????
Ant this's most certainly not a standard that most pages follow

 

[Confluctor]

I have seen actual academic essays and books by industry specialists use you see in it..

In any case, I am aware of certain mistakes. Like refering oblivion as he instead of it a few times. But I am fixing those later. Just need abilities and stuff evaluated first.

 

[Antvasima]

?????
Ant this's most certainly not a standard that most pages follow

To a reasonable extent they do. We cannot have pages address the readers personally.

 

[Antvasima]

I have seen actual academic essays and books by industry specialists use you see in it..

In any case, I am aware of certain mistakes. Like refering oblivion as he instead of it a few times. But I am fixing those later. Just need abilities and stuff evaluated first.

Okay.

 

[Antvasima]

@C2_of_Omegon @Qawsedf234 @Sandman31 @SuperAPM @Firestorm808 @EmperorRorepme @LuciferDC099 @Ehnkr2beboh @Deagonx @Elizio33 @MarvelFanatic119 @catzlaflame @Armorchompy

Would you be willing to help out here please?

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

oblivion Nep should add the Aspect of "his" Nonexistence

According to the information I see, I think it would be something like this

Avatars: Nature Types 1 & Aspect Types 1, 2, 3;

True self: Nature Types 2 & Aspect Types 1, 2, 3;

 

[Confluctor]

His true form shouldn't have aspect part.


But I will change the rest.

 

[Confluctor]

Bump

 

[The_Impress]

Continuing on, the reason Iceman was able to resist being erased from existence is because Oblivion values emotions such as love. Oblivion cannot feel it, but Iceman could, so it allowed him to fight back and resist being erased.

Shouldn't this be on the weakness section?

 

[Confluctor]

That he longs for emotions?

 

[The_Impress]

That he longs for emotions?

Yeah.

Also:

From Oblivion sprang forth the creation and at the end of all, everything will return to Oblivion, where it belongs. Creation itself, alongside all the entities that compose it inevitably return to the nothingness that embodies, only to eventually be birthed anew in a never-ending cycle. The cycle will continue forever, death and rebirth - a never-ending cycle.[15] Everything begins and ends with Oblivion, for Oblivion is everything.[5] It is everything outside the small multiverse which contains infinite numbers of higher infinitely superior dimensions, many with Reality-Fiction differences. Oblivion is beyond time and space, form or shape, life and death. Oblivion is where life meets its end, Oblivion is where death meets its end.[5]

These aren't relevant to tiering tbh, they're moreso with respect to Oblivion as a concept, or just describing something far lower than what you're giving him. Like, you can put them in an Explanations section for the character, it just doesn't fit in AP justifications.

All of creation is an illusion from his perspective, and all its beings, both mortal and cosmic are merely phantoms.[15]

I never saw how this is proof of anything tbh, unless I headcanon in "oh he must've meant he's beyond fiction", like, being Low 1-C alone or having a weird ego problem is enough.

Rest of the AP justifications are fine, although you should probably link stuff where it says Knull and Chaos King are avatars, since it's not exactly apparent if that's literal or not

 

[Confluctor]

Most of that is what was already on his page so I kinda added relevant scans to it. I think the death part can stay tho since it can relate to power levels.

I could remove knull and replace him with Doorman as the weakest avatar (those he bestow power upon are considered his avatars - as we saw in Quasar 25).

AS for the illusion bit... I think he does have R>f relationship with MU. In that annual, he is talking directly to the audience as if he exists on a level similar to us or even above. That's another reason why I think Oblivion > HoI

I can add that to his weakness section.

 

[The_Impress]

Most of that is what was already on his page so I kinda added relevant scans to it. I think the death part can stay tho since it can relate to power levels.

It's not though, it's just his property :V

I could remove knull and replace him with Doorman as the weakest avatar (those he bestow power upon are considered his avatars - as we saw in Quasar 25).

Actually his weakest avatar by that logic will be Deathurge as a squirrel, since that was 10-C

AS for the illusion bit... I think he does have R>f relationship with MU. In that annual, he is talking directly to the audience as if he exists on a level similar to us or even above. That's another reason why I think Oblivion > HoI

I completely disagree, characters addressing the readers is just a POV narrative device that just HAPPENED to be done by a cosmic being in that issue. We have far too many examples of similarly done issues, especially modern ones, even though it isn't exactly uncommon noting some Spider-Man and Wolverine issues. Hell the most famous example of this is the Watcher, who does is FAR MORE PROMINENTLY and CONSISTENTLY contrasted to Oblivion.

And at the end of the day, you can recall that Marvel actively diffuses Reality-Fiction to mean ANYTHING. By most relevant terms our universe isn't above Marvel's reality, it's in fact a CANONICAL PART of it, writers multiple times have been interacted with by far lower entities, and they actively difgise excessively meta-narratives like Gwenpool, and like I know Deadpool stuff is wonk canon, but even in that they very consistently only potray writers as 10-Bs who HAPPEN to have a vague ability of Fate Manipulation on Marvel.

That alone means nothing if you put into context, multiple times shown, that Marvel never relevantly puts us as readers on a higher hierarchy than its characters, and that most "metaversal narratives" are rigidly presented or retconned as only a reminiscence.

 

[Confluctor]

Actually his weakest avatar by that logic will be Deathurge as a squirrel, since that was 10-C

I don't think he has a file


But I can remove the illusion bit. Even tho I disagree but eh, can't be asked

 

[The_Impress]

I don't think he has a file

I mean I can just give you the scan, he's just a literal squirrel, that's it.

But I can remove the illusion bit. Even tho I disagree but eh, can't be asked

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