Nyarlathotep (Cthulhu Mythos) vs Frisk (Not a physical battle)

[Aurasuke]

This isn't a direct battle, this is a battle to see whether or not Nyarlathotep can bring Frisk to despair.

Conditions

Nyarlathotep cannot use reality warping to erase Frisk's determination, change the concept of determination or despair, change any concepts whatsoever that would affect these two concepts. (for example a spell that would make her lose all determination, or erasing the concept of determination altogether, or redefining despair as determination.

Winning conditions for Nyarlathotep

To bring Frisk into natural state of despair, mind control, reality warping to erase concepts that affect determination, or killing her straight right will all result in a LOSS. (ex, he cannot simply erase her memories, or control her, that would result in a loss, he can not use his reality powers on her that directly affects her mental state, including concept manupulation.

Wining conditions for Frisk

If she can withstand being tortured, discouraged, or influenced by Nyarlathotep, she wins. Time limit 1 year. She does not know she has this time limit. Time cannot be manipulated to increase it to anything higher.

Setting

Frisk's world will end if she doesn't stand up to the Nyarlathotep. Everyone God in Undertale has been killed by him, Frisk is the only one left to save humanity within Undertale, and after witnessing countless monsters/friends being tortured for billions of years before finally being killed, she is the only one left to stand in the way Nyarlathotep before he destroy the undertale verse. Can she protect everything or will she lose everything?

Frisk starts out with maximum determination, the highest possible ever.

Will determination triumpth over omniscience?

 

[Aurasuke]

No one wants to make a point? I thought it would be interesting test he absolute limits of Frisks determination. Naturally this is a battle of concepts.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Why Yog-Sothoth? Yog doesn't even try and induce despair in anything due to being entirely neutral. Wouldn't like...Nyarlathotep, the embodiment of evil, insanity, and despair, be better for something like this?

Also, why Yog if Yog is:

• not in character, at all?

• not using their powers?

• not functioning like Yog, at all?

 

[Aurasuke]

Hmm, now that I think about it you have a point. I thought that only Yog was fully omniscient but it seems Nya is also. Even though I was planning on using the highest tier that is below omnipotent (questionably at least), Nya has a high enough power level that it would make little difference if he was used instead of Yog.

Okay, I've changed up the match.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Okay, so still entirely unfair to Frisk though, so I don't really see the point.

Also, what's the point of the time limit? Neither party abides by conventional time (or for Nyar, no time at all).

 

[Aurasuke]

Basically I wanted to know how Frisk would fair against someone who knows everything. If Frisk's determination does not break no matter how much she experiences, that would be her win. If no matter what circumstances Nya attempts to break Frisk's determination with, she wins.

Also you know how when you water Elder God Demonbane defeat Nya in a timeless space? Time may not exist but casuality at the High 1-A level still does. Otherwise there would be no story. Basically it means Nya can't just keep doing things forever.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

I think you have your answer, there. If they know LITERALLY everything, then they're going to know just how to win this. Not to mention they're the literal embodiment of insanity and despair.

Actually, in the Mythos it doesn't. At the absolute highest level, there really isn't a causality because everything that has happened, is happening, and will happen on every possible level of existence just is. There is no real order. Unless you're referring to Nyar's avatars, who do indeed experience SOME form of beyond dimensional "order".

 

[Aurasuke]

But knowing something doesn't necessarily mean being able to find an impossible answer.

For example Yog-Sothoth knows everything but still cannot escape being Azathoth's dream. He may know that he's in his dream, but he doesn't have the power to create anything outside of it.

Or are you just saying that because he's so many tiers ahead, he will know a way to win even if you don't know exactly what that would be?

I see, well I suppose only Demonbane actually has Gods fightning like that lol. It would be pretty boring if things were always done.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

But knowing something doesn't necessarily mean being able to find an impossible answer.
For example Yog-Sothoth knows everything but still cannot escape being Azathoth's dream. He may know that he's in his dream, but he doesn't have the power to create anything outside of it.

Or are you just saying that because he's so many tiers ahead, he will know a way to win even if you don't know exactly what that would be?

I see, well I suppose only Demonbane actually has Gods fightning like that lol. It would be pretty boring if things were always done.

That's implying there is absolutely no answer.

Yes, Yog knows everything, and he knows that can't be done, because there's nothing "outside" Azathoth's dream. Only Azathoth.

Either or, really.

That and giant robot fights are cool.

 

[Aurasuke]

So basically the idea is that if there is an answer Nya will find a way, however if not, then Frisk wins.


i feel like Demonbane is what would happen if they had Gurren Laggan evolve to fight the Outer Gods lol. They seem to have similar themes. Though to be honest, Gurren Laggan really had the better plot. Demonbane wasn't bad (at least the anime) but it's rating was lower than gurren laggan for a reason.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

There's likely an answer, so there's your answer to the fight.

Never seen the anime. Only read the VN (which I need to reread due to forgetting certain things) and DYNFreaks.

 

[Aurasuke]

Ahh, I see. I would reccomend watching it, or at least Gurren Laggan. Not every story is about the power of the characters, Gurren Laggan was great because it was all about breaking one's limits and doing the impossible.

But still Code Geass is on a different level lol, if you ever decide to watch anime, Code Geass may be a good place to start. The story is a bit dark at times but there's quite a bit of humor, and of intelligence triumphing over raw power.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

I've actually watched Gurren Laggan several times. I thoroughly enjoyed it.

I actually watch anime already, though I've never seen CG. Might have to check it out.

 

[Aurasuke]

CG includes giant fightning robots, except instead of upgrades by plot devices such as spiral energy, the use plot devices instead of technology as a substitute. The animation quality is superb, better than most animes today even though it was made in 2008ish.

It includes everything from action, drama, comedy, pretty much all genres except for probably Horror.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

I'll definitely have to give it a watch in my free time, then.

 

[Aurasuke]

The anime itself has a higher rating then Gurren Laggan. If has some of the voice actors too. Suzaku is Simon, and Rossiu is Lelouche in the English dub. I reccomend the English Dub actually over the japanese sub this time, the voice were done so well they deserve an award (and probably actually won a few, it won more awards than evangelion).