Nuclear Throne statements and it's validity... Also possible Yung Venuz Upgrade...

[GreyFang82]

Ok, so I wanted to bring this up so we can talk about Statements for Nuclear Throne and if it is truely ok that we accept it. I'm asking so this doesn't become a problem in the future.

Now there are three things I want to talk about, which are:

1.) If the specific verse or game lacks any cutscences or anything other than just gameplay for most of it and lore isn't really explained perfectly can we use statements to fill in the blanks,

EX: In Nuclear Throne the origin of all the characters in Nuclear Throne are never explained in-game however they are answered by statements and interviews with the creators/developers.

2.) If we can, does that mean we can assume that the statements from those creatores are reliable. If yes can we use things they said about the characters. Such as the case with Y. V. where he is unable to get hurt from anything in game according the the creator or Robot where it is stated it doesn't mutate but install upgrades instead.

3.) If that is also the case, does that mean this statement can be used to give Y. V. resistance to reality warping as he is unable to get hurt by anything in game according to lore.

 

[Assaltwaffle]

As long as author statements do not contradict canon feats, they are usually fine. That said, Nuclear Throne essentially has the most shallow lore in history, so I feel like using statements to patch in the gaps is an OK thing to do.

Also I am not sure if Hyper Crystal has reality warping, rather just a really powerful form of durability negation. It seems to have properties similar to a black hole. That said I don't know if the Y.V. being immune statement came before or after Hyper Crystal's explanation. If it came before, I question using it, since Hyper Crystal wasn't really explained yet.

That is my take on this, anyway.

 

[Amelia_Lonelyheart]

I'm fine with using the Word of God/Author Statements for stuff like this.

I guess it depends how the Y.V. statement was worded. We do similar stuff for Digimon resistances.

 

[GreyFang82]

it depends how the Y.V. statement was worded.

"When Y.V's health bar reaches 0 he gets annoyed and teleports back to his mansion on Venus, thus he doesn't leave a corpse behind. Since he is a Gun God, he cannot be killed by mere mutated creatures."

This was the wording used in the trivia on the Wiki of the game.

 

[Assaltwaffle]

Hmm. Now Hyper Crystal isn't really a muted creature, but that may be nit-picking. Was that statement released after or before HC's explanation?

 

[GreyFang82]

Ok so I looked at the history of the page and when the comment Jwaap made and the comment about the Hyper Crystal and it was said Y. V. can't get hurt first and then the statement about the crystal was made.

 

[Assaltwaffle]

Hmm. So the method of how HC hurts thing wasn't clarified when Y.V. was stated to be immune to everything. Not sure if that is usable. Giving resistance to durability negation on a sketchy principle is questionable.

 

[GreyFang82]

Also the reason I said it was reality warping was because I asked the question on what the ability would be in this thread and they said Reality Warping was the closest thing.

 

[Assaltwaffle]

Yeah idk if it is reality warping. Stretching something infinitely sounds like Spacial manipulation more than anything.

 

[GreyFang82]

That's what I said and they said it wasn't... Man this a confusing ability to figure out.

 

[Assaltwaffle]

It definitely isn't normal. The reason I say spacial manip is b/c you can't stretch something infinity towards yourself unless you have bent space to the point of it being infinite.

 

[GreyFang82]

Should we wait for others to give their input? I did message other Admins to check out this Thread. Or do you want to try and figure this out?

 

[Assaltwaffle]

Probably best to wait for input from other users. Maybe you can recruit the other Supporters of the verse. I have already given my opinion.

 

[GreyFang82]

Funny enough, almost all the supporter or even people familar with this verse are in this thread. I messaged the last one now.

 

[DanFlsamual21]

Ok so we're not actually sure what definition of dimension they use for hyper crytsal but couldn't it count as simple teleportation as you're moving the area the Hyper crystal touches into a different dimension.

I understand YV is unlikely to get any normal upgrades from this but I'm curious as to why his AP is set as large building level despite his ability of being able to fire 6 shots of any gun in an instant. Wouldn't the nuke launcher's AP x6 get him to city block?

Also is rogues city block tier just normal portal strike or throne butt portal strike?

 

[Assaltwaffle]

@Dan

It isn't TPing, b/c it streches, it doesn't just relocate.

Not sure about Y.V.'s ability.

It is base Rogue's portal strike.

 

[DanFlsamual21]

I think that reality warping seems the most likely then. I don't think NT follows the dimensional system that we have here so i'm unsure if spatial manipulation qualifies.

 

[GreyFang82]

I'm curious as to why his AP is set as large building level despite his ability of being able to fire 6 shots of any gun in an instant. Wouldn't the nuke launcher's AP x6 get him to city block?

The thing is that it becomes a problem similar to The World's Nuclear Weapon Arsenal where it was originally 6-C because they added all the nukes' yield as if it was one bomb when in reality it was just a bunch of smaller ones. So it was downgraded to 7-B...

Y. V. is just doing a bombardment of High 8-C attacks.

But That's what I think, I'm not sure.

 

[DanFlsamual21]

The worlds nuclear weaon arsenal is still rated as likely 6-C

Also i just thought of something

What would Big dogs tier be via self destruct?

 

[Assaltwaffle]

Probably pretty big, but I don't know how many explosions are in his self-destruct.

 

[GreyFang82]

So, what do we agree on and what did we find out from all this talking in this thread?

Also, do you think I should ask some admins for their input or what?

 

[Amelia_Lonelyheart]

Stretching something infinitely sounds like spatial manipulation from a glance, and stretching something infinity to get to another dimension sounds like a higher dimension to me but I dunno.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Yeah, I'd the others are chill with it, then so am I.

 

[Assaltwaffle]

Stretching something infinitely sounds like spatial manipulation from a glance, and stretching something infinity to get to another dimension sounds like a higher dimension to me but I dunno.

I though spacial as well. In what way would that break into Higher-D levels?

 

[Ryukama]

I think Assalt and Dark make sense.

 

[DanFlsamual21]

So are we calling it higher dimensional or spatial?

 

[GreyFang82]

I think it's likely going to be seen as Spatial.

 

[Assaltwaffle]

Spatial is the safer bet.

 

[DanFlsamual21]

So does this mean YV won't be getting a tier upgrade just spatial manipulation resistance?

 

[Assaltwaffle]

We will be receiving resistance to Spatial manipulation. He is quickly approaching being one of the stronger High 8-Cs we have on this site.

 

[GreyFang82]

So I think we are in agreement that Y. V. gets an added resistance to Spatial Manipulation. Now the problem is how we are going to write it so we can justify him having the ability, considering this directly comes from one of the bosses, and we don't have a profile on said boss. So perhaps we implement this upgrade after we create at least the Hyper Crystal's profile.

 

[DanFlsamual21]

That sounds like a good idea

 

[Assaltwaffle]

Other profiles have justifications for characters scaled on those who don't have profiles. We just say "can survive hits from Hyper Crystal, which can stretch space infinitely."

 

[GreyFang82]

that's fair, so do you want me to implement that ability now?

 

[Assaltwaffle]

You can.

 

[GreyFang82]

Done, I will now work on making boss profiles tomorrow

 

[Assaltwaffle]

So have we answered the question?

 

[GreyFang82]

Yeah, I'll close the thread

 

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