Ninjago: Replacing/removing author statements

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Hello, this is a thread that will replace justifications that use author statements as they are now banned for Ninjago. Each point is where author statements were used, while sub-points will be new justifications without author statements, and someo of them will have bolded-italized-underlined parts, which are what will be replaced. Nuke means that there is no replacement and the justification/ability/whatever should be deleted (lul).

Spoiler: Overlord

Refer to this:

• Acausality (Types 1 & 4; The Overlord immune to time paradoxes and he is unaffected by changes through time and immune to The Cloud Kingdom, which can write the fate of people)
  • Acausality (Types 1 & 4; Predates time and reality, therefore being born before and thus being immune to The Cloud Kingdom, which can write the fate of people. Should be same as FSM)
• Biological Manipulation (1 Layer), Corruption, Mind Manipulation & Morality Manipulation (Both Types [2 Layers]; Can corrupt the souls of others through his Darkness, can use infectious crystals to corrupt the entire city and beings into crystal, and corrupt the victim and turn that victim evil...)
  • Biological Manipulation (1 Layer), Corruption, Mind Manipulation & Morality Manipulation (Both Types [2 Layers]; Can corrupt the souls of others through his Darkness, can use infectious crystals to corrupt the entire city and beings into crystal, and his Crystal Warriors, being powered by and shooting with the infectious crystals, can corrupt the victim and turn that victim evil)
• Durability: At least Low Complex Multiverse level (Exist as dark part of the Balance for 17 realms)
  • Exists as dark part of the Balance for all Realms, representing the Dark side of it while FSM represented the Light side
• Power Nullification & Power Absorption (Darkness, an Elemental Essence, is unaffected by the Vengestone which can nullify and absorb Elemental Essence.)
  • Can use his powers without any problem whatsoever in the same room, made out of Vengestone, where Lloyd couldn't use his power
  • Vengestone nearby can nullify Elemental Powers and Essences, such as powers of Ninjas and even Wu, which was confirmed later. Being in the room full of Vengestone can nullify one's powers as seen with Ninjas being unable to use their powers in Vengestone cave
• Darkness Manipulation (Should be has resisted to their own powers)
  • Is Evilitself, and can literally breath Dark Matter that turns other evil.

Spoiler: Concepts blog

Refer to this:

• importants beings responsible for balance
  • Exists as dark part of the Balance for all Realms
• different laws and physics
  • different laws and physics
• The Overlord is evil itself
  • Is Evil itself

Spoiler: Magic

Refer to this:

• Magic is made clear to not be an Element nor an Elemental Essence, and we have WOG confirming Magic is a whole system
• Elements and Magic are two separate systems.
• Magic is split in different kinds, who can be used in a variety of ways with magical power items or without them.
  • Magic has different kinds.

Spoiler: Spinjitzu

• The user cannot use this ability infinitely at one use. Spinjitzu can only be maintained for 15 seconds without stopping.
  • Nuke
• Airjitzu is also very exhausting and can only be maintained for less than 10 seconds without stopping.
  • Nuke

Spoiler: Elemental Masters

Refer to this:

• Some Elemental Masters can infuse their element into objects
  • Nuke
• Limited Fusionism (Elemental Masters can combine their powers with one another if the elements are compatible or through a special item.
  • Limited Fusionism (Elemental Masters can combine their powers with one another if the elements are compatible or through a special item.
• They also all originate from the same power source called Source Energy
  • They also all originate from the same power source - Source Dragons
• For Resistance to their own elements, replace with scan-y here.

Spoiler: Ghosts

Refer to this:

• Age Manipulation (In addition to eternal life, Ghosts Warriors don'tage at all)
  • Morro did not age after about 40 years of being a ghost.
• Fate Manipulation (Thanks totheir master, the Ghost Warriors are completely unaffected by the powers of the inhabitants of the Cloud Kingdom, who control the fate of those in Ninjago)
  • Fate Manipulation (Because of Fenwick’s intervention, the Ghost Warriors are completely unaffected by the powers of the inhabitants of the Cloud Kingdom, who control the fate of those in Ninjago)
• and presumably any other liquid
  • and presumably any other liquid as implied by Wu
• Ghosts' invisibility can be countered by a paranormal essence detector
  • Ghosts' invisibility can be countered by a paranormal essence detector
• Incorporeality (Ghosts do not have a physical body because they are spirits)
  • Incorporeality (Ghosts do not have a physical body because they are spirits)

Spoiler: Onis

Refer to this:

• (Beyond-Dimensional Existence [Type 1] & Nonexistence [Nature Type 1, Aspects 3 & 5 {Other: Space-Time & Logic}]; Oni can affect the Ethereal Divide, a realm of nothing-space, existing beyond time, space and reason.)
  • Nuke it
• Power Nullification & Power Absorption (Oni's powers are immune to Vengestone)
  • Power Nullification & Power Absorption (Oni's powers are immune to Vengestone)

Spoiler: FSM

Refer to this:

• Beyond-Dimensional Existence (Type 1; Exists in his own personal Realm, which is located outside the 16 Realms, and was unaffected by the Merge, who merged the Realms together, that were proven to be a set of multiplespace-time continuum)
  • Beyond-Dimensional Existence (Type 1; Exists in his own personal Realm, which is located outside the 16 Realms, and was unaffected by the Merge, who merged the Realms together, that were proven to be a set of multiplespace-time continuum)
• Acausality (Types 1 & 4; Wields the Golden Weapons, which have been shown to be immune to any changes in time, with the wielders being unaffected as well. Predates Fate. Also, The Cloud Kingdom cannot control his destiny)
  • Acausality (Types 1 & 4; Wields the Golden Weapons, which have been shown to be immune to any changes in time, with the wielders being unaffected as well. Was born in the First Realm, therefore being born before and thus being immune to The Cloud Kingdom, which can write the fate of people. Should be immune to the Cloud Kingdom as an Oni)
• Durability: At least Low Complex Multiverse level (Exists as the light part of the Balance)
  • Same as Overlord

Spoiler: Nadakhan

Refer to this:

• it was confirmed that all Elemental Masters were trapped by Nadakhan too, twice
  • Since Jay supposedly called all of friends and allies he knew for his new team, including Elemental Master Skylor whom he knows from only Tournament of Elements, but there are no other Elemental Masters in his team, combining this with the fact that some of Elemental Masters are seen trapped in Nadakhan’s Djinn Blade, Nadakhan supposedly caught all of the Elemental Masters off screen.

Spoiler: Lloyd

Refer to this:

• were born inside the Mother Sun itself
  • Replace w/ this
• being above even Dragon Overlord
  • being above even Dragon Overlord as per Garmadon's words

Spoiler: Nyad

Refer to this:

• Immortality (Type 1 and 8: By merging with the sea, one's become a living embodiment of the Sea.She cannot die as long as the ocean exists.
  • Immortality (Type 1 and 8: By merging with the sea, one's become a living embodiment of the Sea as explained by Nyad, meaning she cannot die as long as the ocean exists.)

Spoiler: Jay

Refer to this:

• Electricity Manipulation (Can manipulate the Element of Lightning. Itisconsistanly stated that Jay can produce 1.21 gigawatts of electricity)
  • Nuke (only author part, the ability can stay via other scans)
• further backed up by WOG
  • Nuke, ig
• Lifting Strength: At least Class T (Elemental Masters are naturally stronger than normal humans)
  • Lifting Strength: At least Class T (Can restrain Anacondrais among other Ninjas like Kai and Lloyd)

Spoiler: Kai

Refer to this:

• Speed Amplification (Stolen from Griffin Turner, the Master of Speed. Allows the user to increase their speed by a massive amount. Should be faster than Zur, who is 2x faster than Zane)
• recreating her own Spinjitzu via tech alone
  • Nuke (only this specific scan, as it is visually shown)

Spoiler: Kalmaar

Refer to this:

• Pain Manipulation (Was able to control Wojira by pain, even if she's stronger than him)
  • Pain Manipulation (Was able to control Wojira by pain, even if she's stronger than him)
• Was stated to be one of the strongest villains to this point
  • Nuke.
• Intelligence:Genius (Kalmaar is a battle genius, capable of outsmarting Nya, one of the smartest members of the Ninja team. He was stated to be the smartest Merlopian)
  • Nuke.

Spoiler: Golden Weapons

Refer to this:

• Star level (Were used by The First Spinjitzu Master to create the continent of Ninjago. Created a star by destroying the Mega Weapon)
  • Star level (Were used by The First Spinjitzu Master to create the continent of Ninjago. Created a star after destroying the Megaweapon, which is visually seen in the show)

Spoiler: Cosmology

Refer to this:

• Time passes differently in other Realms
  • Time passes differently in other Realms as evidenced by Nadakhan crews surviving in other Realms for 200 Realms despite being regular humans and serpentines
• and there are differentrules and different physics in other realms.
  • different laws and physics
• It was also confirmed by Tommy Andreason, Co-Creator of Ninjago, that outer space is not separate from the Realms, but rather a part of it. He also confirmed that Realms are not simply planets, as some of the older Ninjago lore refers to "Ninjago" as the island, not the realm (Ninjago Island is on Earth, while Earth is located within the Ninjago Realm).
  • Wu implies the Realms are seperate and parallel to Ninjago like with Cloud Kingdom and Ras wants to undo the Merge which would put the Realms back in their original state - seperated. Other Realms are also called "outside" ones. Outer space is part of the Realms as seen with Ninjas flying there while still being in Ninjago Realm.
• It is the only confirmed realm which the Realm Crystal cannot open a portal to get to.
  • It was stated by Yang that Realm Crystal cannot open a portal to the Departed Realm.
• only be reached by becoming cursed.
  • Replace w/ this.
• It is also one of the 16 realms parallel to Ninjago.
  • Replace w/ this.
• They also represent both sides of the balance.
  • Addressed in Overlord's part.
• Each of them exists in his own realm/dimension located outside of multiverse, and these are also places where their truest selves remain dormant. For the First Spinjitzu Master, it is the Grasslands, while the Overlord has his void.
  • It is implied that Overlord exists beyond the Realms, and the Grasslands were not shown to be part of the Realms affected by the Merge in the map, and on top of that, its said FSM's time in the Realms was over, implying that where he went to is beyond the Realm. FSM is also not present in any of the three afterlives.
• even though they previously had different flows of time
  • Time passes differently in other Realms as evidenced by Nadakhan crews surviving in other Realms for 200 Realms despite being regular humans and serpentines
• Nether-Space stuff
  • Lloyd says in his journal the F5 were banished from all Realms. Nether-Space was referred to as a Realm. Rox prior to her imprisonement and after her imprisonement seemingly didn't age at all, implying different flow of time.

That's all.

 

[Ebihara]

Big crt. will read it all when I can.

 

[SweetDao]

Will check everything when I have some time, it's really huge so frankly, I think at least cutting it in two would be a bit better and more digest.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

I will be looking into this later. But yeah, the FSM stuff is here is here really?

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

. . .

• For Resistance to their own elements, replace with scan-y here.

How is the forced activation of their own power supposed to prove they resist it?

We quite literally see how Electricity is also touching them, so are they also resistant towards that as well?

No, I think the entire contraption is not meant to actually hurt them, since they are supposed to be "bait," whatever that means.

So, no resistance here.

Also, aren't there other ANti-feats for this? That was even acknowledged by the user asking the original WoG?

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Power Nullification & Power Absorption (Darkness, an Elemental Essence, is unaffected by the Vengestone which can nullify and absorb Elemental Essence.)

• Can use his powers without any problem whatsoever in the same room, made out of Vengestone, where Lloyd couldn't use his power
• Vengestone nearby can nullify Elemental Powers and Essences, such as powers of Ninjas and even Wu, which was confirmed later. Being in the room full of Vengestone can nullify one's powers as seen with Ninjas being unable to use their powers in Vengestone cave

Can you show any evidence that this is an actual resistance and not just a weakness for the Vengestone?

From what I see, the stone doesn't even try to affect it to begin with, so a resistance towards it would be false.

If you can prove that the Crystal at least attempts to absorb power from it, it would be fine.

Not to mention, we see in the same clip the darkness uses the vengestone as a catalyst, meaning it absolutely CAN absorb its power if it wants to.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

• • Power Nullification & Power Absorption (Oni's powers are immune to Vengestone)

Again, Immune is when something is completely unaffected by something that affects it, nothing proves that the Vengestone is affecting him in the first place, the same reason as for The Overlord.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

How is the forced activation of their own power supposed to prove they resist it?

I mean, it’s used on them. Not feeling strong about it and I have anti-feats in my mind, but eh. My job is to replace here.

Can you show any evidence that this is an actual resistance and not just a weakness for the Vengestone? Again, Immune is when something is completely unaffected by something that affects it, nothing proves that the Vengestone is affecting him in the first place, the same reason as for The Overlord.

It works on Elemental Powers and even Wu’s creation. Overlord and Oni Lloyd resisting it is thus a resistance for him.

From what I see, the stone doesn't even try to affect it to begin with, so a resistance towards it would be false.

If you can prove that the Crystal at least attempts to absorb power from it, it would be fine.

Not to mention, we see in the same clip the darkness uses the vengestone as a catalyst, meaning it absolutely CAN absorb its power if it wants to.

Huh? Vengestone was never about absorbing but nullifying. Absorbing is chronosteel.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Huh? Vengestone was never about absorbing but nullifying. Absorbing is chronosteel.

Eh? Did you read the scans you presented?

Power Nullification & Power Absorption (Darkness, an Elemental Essence, is unaffected by the Vengestone which can nullify and absorb Elemental Essence.)

• Can use his powers without any problem whatsoever in the same room, made out of Vengestone, where Lloyd couldn't use his power
• Vengestone nearby can nullify Elemental Powers and Essences, such as powers of Ninjas and even Wu, which was confirmed later. Being in the room full of Vengestone can nullify one's powers as seen with Ninjas being unable to use their powers in Vengestone cave

• • Power Nullification & Power Absorption (Oni's powers are immune to Vengestone)

Then what is this???

It works on Elemental Powers and even Wu’s creation. Overlord and Oni Lloyd resisting it is thus a resistance for him.

I am asking, can you prove they are actually resisting it?

I mean, it’s used on them. Not feeling strong about it and I have anti-feats in my mind, but eh. My job is to replace here.

I don't see the "it being used on them" when the statement is talking about activating their own powers, so yeah. I don't see how this is evidence for it, even less a primary evidence that is supposed to handle the entirety of the statement "Elemental users resist their own powers", and you confirming that there are anti-feats, makes me hard disagree with it.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Eh? Did you read the scans you presented?

Yeah, my revamped scans show that Vengestone nullifies Lloyd’s, Ninja’s and Wu’s powers, while it doesn’t with Oni Lloyd and Overlord. I don’t see the problem here.

I don't see the "it being used on them" when the statement is talking about activating their own powers, so yeah.

It forces the activation of their elements directly on their own bodies.

me hard disagree with it.

OK.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Yeah, my revamped scans show that Vengestone nullifies Lloyd’s, Ninja’s and Wu’s powers, while it doesn’t with Oni Lloyd and Overlord. I don’t see the problem here.

The issue is we don't see it even affecting them to begin with, so you need to prove that the Vengestone is actively power-nulling even the darkness attribute, which is disproven in the same section of the scans. Where we see the darkness element use the Vengestone as a catalyst.

So yeah, it's more a weakness of the Vengestone than a resistance to the darkness element.

It forces the activation of their elements directly on their own bodies.

And? I don't see it being different then them using spinjitsu. And to make things clearer, we ONLY see the power activating around them, nothing more, nothing less.
Not to mention the entire scenario.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

The issue is we don't see it even affecting them to begin with, so you need to prove that the Vengestone is actively power-nulling even the darkness attribute, which is disproven in the same section of the scans.

What is this contradiction? Vengestone not affecting them is the same reason why we give resistance. If it was affecting them, then it would not be resistance. Is this Schrodinger’s Vengestone or what?
Vengestone not affecting Darkness or Oni power directly proves my point, not yours.

Where we see the darkness element use the Vengestone as a catalyst.

I don’t know what you’re talking about. If you are talking about Overlord using purple crystal, then it is his own crystal lol.

So yeah, it's more a weakness of the Vengestone than a resistance to the darkness element.

^Headcanon.

And? I don't see it being different then them using spinjitsu.

Spinjitzu is just a tornado around them, not directly on them. False equivalence.

And to make things clearer, we ONLY see the power activating around them, nothing more, nothing less.

Directly on their bodies.

 

[Hellformer]

Ah finally, save ninjago from the calamity

 

[Johner2133451]

The issue is we don't see it even affecting them to begin with, so you need to prove that the Vengestone is actively power-nulling even the darkness attribute, which is disproven in the same section of the scans. Where we see the darkness element use the Vengestone as a catalyst.

So yeah, it's more a weakness of the Vengestone than a resistance to the darkness element.

Wait I'm curious. If powernull wasn't shown able to effect your character, it doesn't auto give powernull resistance?

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Wait I'm curious. If powernull wasn't shown able to effect your character, it doesn't auto give powernull resistance?

It depends; for it to grant resistance or immunity, it must first be able to affect them in the first place.

For example, if a human is affected by a disease that can only harm dogs, does that grant us a resistance? (no)
If a user is capable of using an ability that doesn't require mana, when a power null specifically nullifies mana, does that grant a resistance or immunity? (no)

What I am trying to say is that for it to be given an "resistance" or "immunity," some kinda proof needs to be presented that they are affected in the first place, so they can actually "resist it."

So, they need to be affected by the power, but the attack can't have any effect on them, or they simply take less damage from it.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

It depends; for it to grant resistance or immunity, it must first be able to affect them in the first place.

For example, if a human is affected by a disease that can only harm dogs, does that grant us a resistance? (no)
If a user is capable of using an ability that doesn't require mana, when a power null specifically nullifies mana, does that grant a resistance or immunity? (no)

What I am trying to say is that for it to be given an "resistance" or "immunity," some kinda proof needs to be presented that they are affected in the first place, so they can actually "resist it."

So, they need to be affected by the power, but the attack can't have any effect on them, or they simply take less damage from it.

If the power has any effect on the character, then he does not resist it. If the power does not have any effect, then he resists it. It’s simple.

Your dogs and humans example is genuinely false equivalence. Our case is some humans being affected by the disease (Ninjas and Wu being affected by Vengestone), while others are not (Oni Lloyd and Overlord).

What you are demanding is simply to show is that the two do not resist Vengestone, they just get affected by it.

Law of non-contradiction exists.

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

(Beyond-Dimensional Existence [Type 1] & Nonexistence [Nature Type 1, Aspects 3 & 5 {Other: Space-Time & Logic}]; Oni can affect the Ethereal Divide, a realm of nothing-space, existing beyond time, space and reason.)

• Nuke it

Cosmology's proof can be used as it is not affected by Mergequakes

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

Your dogs and humans example is genuinely false equivalence. Our case is some humans being affected by the disease (Ninjas and Wu being affected by Vengestone), while others are not (Oni Lloyd and Overlord).

Wu's Elemental Essence cannot affect by Vengestone, shown in TCK fight

 

[SweetDao]

Spoiler: Overlord

Acausality (Types 1 & 4; Predates time and reality, therefore being born before and thus being immune to The Cloud Kingdom, which can write the fate of people. Should be same as FSM)

=> I mean, I'm fine with the whole Acausality 1, but why the 4 and, especially, why the whole "being immune to the Cloud Kingdom" ?

Biological Manipulation (1 Layer), Corruption, Mind Manipulation & Morality Manipulation (Both Types [2 Layers]; Can corrupt the souls of others through his Darkness, can use infectious crystals to corrupt the entire city and beings into crystal, and his Crystal Warriors, being powered by and shooting with the infectious crystals, can corrupt the victim and turn that victim evil)

=> Biological Manipulation is fine and obvious, but I feel like the rest is not shown enough in the scene you've given as a justification, is there no longer scene to portray it better?

Exists as dark part of the Balance for all Realms, representing the Dark side of it while FSM represented the Light side

=> No opinion

Can use his powers without any problem whatsoever in the same room, made out of Vengestone, where Lloyd couldn't use his powerVengestone nearby can nullify Elemental Powers and Essences, such as powers of Ninjas and even Wu, which was confirmed later. Being in the room full of Vengestone can nullify one's powers as seen with Ninjas being unable to use their powers in Vengestone cave

=> Can't see half the videos (region-locked) so can't say much.

Is Evilitself, and can literally breath Dark Matter that turns other evil.

=> Can't see the last video, but I don't see why the two first scan should give resistance to Darkness Manipulation in the first place.

Spoiler: Concept

Exists as dark part of the Balance for all Realms

=> Fair.

different laws and physics

=> Change the justification to "different rules" and it's good.

Is Evil itself

=> Can't see the second video, but you should use this scan too.

Spoiler: Magic

Magic has different kinds.

=> Fair.

Spoiler: Elemental Masters

Limited Fusionism (Elemental Masters can combine their powers with one another if the elements are compatible or through a special item.

=> Fair.

They also all originate from the same power source - Source Dragons

=> Fair.

For Resistance to their own elements, replace with scan-y here.

=> I'm sharing Dark_Soul's opinion on that one, it doesn't really seem like a resistance to their own power.

Spoiler: Ghost

Morro did not age after about 40 years of being a ghost.

=> With only this much, it seems more like Longevity to me.

Fate Manipulation (Because of Fenwick’s intervention, the Ghost Warriors are completely unaffected by the powers of the inhabitants of the Cloud Kingdom, who control the fate of those in Ninjago)

=> Not sure if I understand the scenes, so I've no opinion.

and presumably any other liquid as implied by Wu

=> Fair.

Ghosts' invisibility can be countered by a paranormal essence detector

=> Is the guy really a ghost? If so that's fair.

Incorporeality (Ghosts do not have a physical body because they are spirits)

=> Fair.

Spoiler: FSM

Beyond-Dimensional Existence (Type 1; Exists in his own personal Realm, which is located outside the 16 Realms, and was unaffected by the Merge, who merged the Realms together, that were proven to be a set of multiplespace-time continuum)

=> Bolded part still uses a WoG. I guess the rest is fine. Not sure about the ability itself, tho.

Acausality (Types 1 & 4; Wields the Golden Weapons, which have been shown to be immune to any changes in time, with the wielders being unaffected as well. Was born in the First Realm, therefore being born before and thus being immune to The Cloud Kingdom, which can write the fate of people. Should be immune to the Cloud Kingdom as an Oni)

=> Not sure about acausality 4, rest is fine ig.

Same as Overlord

=> Fair.

Spoiler: Nadakhan

Since Jay supposedly called all of friends and allies he knew for his new team, including Elemental Master Skylor whom he knows from only Tournament of Elements, but there are no other Elemental Masters in his team, combining this with the fact that some of Elemental Masters are seen trapped in Nadakhan’s Djinn Blade, Nadakhan supposedly caught all of the Elemental Masters off screen.

=> Acceptable.

Spoiler: lloyd

Replace w/ this

=> Fair.

being above even Dragon Overlord as per Garmadon's words

=> Fair.

Spoiler: Nyad

Immortality (Type 1 and 8: By merging with the sea, one's become a living embodiment of the Sea as explained by Nyad, meaning she cannot die as long as the ocean exists.)

=> Fair.

Spoiler: Cosmology

Time passes differently in other Realms as evidenced by Nadakhan crews surviving in other Realms for 200 Realms despite being regular humans and serpentines

=> Not terribly convinced but eh, I'd say it's fine.

different laws and physics

=> Change to "different rules" and that's fine.

Wu implies the Realms are seperate and parallel to Ninjago like with Cloud Kingdom and Ras wants to undo the Merge which would put the Realms back in their original state - seperated. Other Realms are also called "outside" ones. Outer space is part of the Realms as seen with Ninjas flying there while still being in Ninjago Realm.

=> Fair.

It was stated by Yang that Realm Crystal cannot open a portal to the Departed Realm.

=> Fair.

Replace w/ this.

=> Eh, fair enough.

Replace w/ this.

=> Fair.

It is implied that Overlord exists beyond the Realms, and the Grasslands were not shown to be part of the Realms affected by the Merge in the map, and on top of that, its said FSM's time in the Realms was over, implying that where he went to is beyond the Realm. FSM is also not present in any of the three afterlives.

=> Don't really understand the justification tbf.

Lloyd says in his journal the F5 were banished from all Realms. Nether-Space was referred to as a Realm. Rox prior to her imprisonement and after her imprisonement seemingly didn't age at all, implying different flow of time.

=> Okay-ish.

Phew, long stuff.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Also, for ghosts it should be noted that you can see them through thermal vision.

 

[YmTheSuper]

Great job, I will take a look at this in a bit. But yeah many videos (the ones from the Lego channel) are region locked so I can't access them.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Not even region locked, they are actively blocked by LEGO.

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

I will give my input to this at a later time.
Cause I'm seeing some nonexistent correlation for some resistance and abilities

 

[Phsccarvalho]

As far as I know, we don't give resistances in this way, otherwise it would be common for any character that has passive AoE abilities on the wiki to have resistance to their own powers. Unless it is demonstrated that the user's own power can affect the user himself. I know of a case where something like that was removed, but since the wiki doesn't like people citing different verses, bleh.

 

[MeiouHades]

Damn.....

 

[AigerTheKing]

Spoiler: Overlord

=> I mean, I'm fine with the whole Acausality 1, but why the 4 and, especially, why the whole "being immune to the Cloud Kingdom" ?

Because the Cloud Kingdom can manipulate destiny and shape reality with it (the Wishmaster is Fenwick, one of the monks that worked in the Cloud Kingdom)

=> Biological Manipulation is fine and obvious, but I feel like the rest is not shown enough in the scene you've given as a justification, is there no longer scene to portray it better?

The rest is based on his past abilities from his Dragon Form (since the mind hax combo comes from his element itself)

=> Change the justification to "different rules" and it's good.

We still visually see implications physics works differently as they are walking on clouds

=> I'm sharing Dark_Soul's opinion on that one, it doesn't really seem like a resistance to their own power.

1. We see Jay tanking his own lightning and recovring from it pretty fast (He was only pushed back by the explosion)
2. Stated Tox is likely immune to her own poison
3. Kai only being annoyed after being covered in flames from fighting Wyldyfre (an Elemental Master with Heat powers)
4. Lloyd, a Oni, taking an Oni blast without getting erased (Destruction can erase life), which means he resisted it
5. Omega and Garmadon, both Onis, taking a Destruction explosion caused by them clashing togheter, again without getting erased, implying they resisted it too
6. Kai walked throught his own wall of fire to beat up some Stone Warriors
7. Mr Pale is seemingly not affect by his omnidirectional blindness inducement light blast as he sneaks behind Lloyd while he was recovering
8. Overlord is unscathed inside a gigantic bubble composed of his own Darkness Element
9. Crystal Council members amped by the Element of Darkness from Overlord such as Pythor were able to able to hold the Weapons of Destructions (who were also amped by Darkness) without getting zombified on contact (which is what the element do as well as the Weapons)

Its a consistant thing inverse

=> Is the guy really a ghost? If so that's fair.

Yes, he refers to himself as such (And that's how normal ghosts look like in Ninjago)

 

[FinePoint]

For the sake of my sanity, I am going to focus on one of these at a time.

Refer to this:

• Acausality (Types 1 & 4; The Overlord immune to time paradoxes and he is unaffected by changes through time and immune to The Cloud Kingdom, which can write the fate of people)
  • Acausality (Types 1 & 4; Predates time and reality, therefore being born before and thus being immune to The Cloud Kingdom, which can write the fate of people. Should be same as FSM)

How does this prove he predates time and reality?
Having 'always existed' could also mean (and logically more-so means) existing at the beginning of time, rather than before it.

In fact, a future scan implies he was created AFTER Ninjago and the universe.

• Biological Manipulation (1 Layer), Corruption, Mind Manipulation & Morality Manipulation (Both Types [2 Layers]; Can corrupt the souls of others through his Darkness, can use infectious crystals to corrupt the entire city and beings into crystal, and corrupt the victim and turn that victim evil...)
  • Biological Manipulation (1 Layer), Corruption, Mind Manipulation & Morality Manipulation (Both Types [2 Layers]; Can corrupt the souls of others through his Darkness, can use infectious crystals to corrupt the entire city and beings into crystal, and his Crystal Warriors, being powered by and shooting with the infectious crystals, can corrupt the victim and turn that victim evil)

Seems fine.

• Durability: At least Low Complex Multiverse level (Exist as dark part of the Balance for 17 realms)
  • Exists as dark part of the Balance for all Realms, representing the Dark side of it while FSM represented the Light side

So long as the Balance remains Low Complex Multiverse after all the axing, this is fine.

• Power Nullification & Power Absorption (Darkness, an Elemental Essence, is unaffected by the Vengestone which can nullify and absorb Elemental Essence.)
  • Can use his powers without any problem whatsoever in the same room, made out of Vengestone, where Lloyd couldn't use his power
  • Vengestone nearby can nullify Elemental Powers and Essences, such as powers of Ninjas and even Wu, which was confirmed later. Being in the room full of Vengestone can nullify one's powers as seen with Ninjas being unable to use their powers in Vengestone cave

Sure, but only Nullification.

• Darkness Manipulation (Should be has resisted to their own powers)
  • Is Evil itself, and can literally breath Dark Matter that turns other evil.

How is this evidence of resisting their own powers?

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

For the sake of my sanity, I am going to focus on one of these at a time.

How does this prove he predates time and reality?
Having 'always existed' could also mean (and logically more-so means) existing at the beginning of time, rather than before it.

In fact, a future scan implies he was created AFTER Ninjago and the universe.

He is older than the Oni and Dragons who preceded the 16 realms.

 

[FinePoint]

He is older than the Oni and Dragons who preceded the 16 realms.

Scan, please.

 

[FinePoint]

Oh, and I forgot: the Power Null seems to be only that and not also Absorption.

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

Scan, please.

Past Overlord: Destruction comes from conflict, from the eternal struggle between light and dark. I will end that struggle. If you serve me, I will destroy the Balance and end the conflict once and for all. There will be peace in the dark.

Destruction is Oni in context, and the source of Destruction is light and dark/Overlord, which means he preceded 16 realms.
Note; Oni are have been around since the beginning of the first realm who preceded 16 realms.

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

Oh, and I forgot: the Power Null seems to be only that and not also Absorption.

Yh it should be remove PA

 

[FinePoint]

Destruction is Oni in context, and the source of Destruction is light and dark/Overlord, which means he preceded 16 realms.
Note; Oni are have been around since the beginning of the first realm who preceded 16 realms.

Well we're arguing for Acausality here via him predating time and space, which I blatantly do not see.

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

Well we're arguing for Acausality here via him predating time and space, which I blatantly do not see.

There was no time or fate in their beginning. Only Balance, First Realm and ED was exist

 

[FinePoint]

There was no time or fate in their beginning.

Scan. (You might get tired of hearing me say that, but the entire point of this thread is gathering evidence.)

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

Scan. (You might get tired of hearing me say that, but the entire point of this thread is gathering evidence.)

The Cloud Kingdom (One of 16 realm) is source of write the fate of people

 

[FinePoint]

The Cloud Kingdom (One of 16 realm) is source of write the fate of people

What does that have to do with predating time and space?

That's just those people having Fate Manipulation.

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

What does that have to do with predating time and space?

That's just those people having Fate Manipulation.

“Long before time had a name, there was the Realm of the Oni and the Dragon.”
“One of the Sixteen Realms?”
“Not "one of!" The first.”

— Mystake and Lloyd, "The Oni and the Dragon"​

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It said that the time has begun with the beginning of the 16 Realms.

 

[FinePoint]

It said that the time has begun with the beginning of the 16 Realms.

"Before time had a name."
(Paraphrasing): "Scholars aren't sure if Time began with the realms or before them, but these people manipulated it."

I don't see any solid proof the Overlord existed before time as a concept, and in fact it's seemingly implied it existed before the 16 realms too.

 

[YmTheSuper]

Acausality (Types 1 & 4; Predates time and reality, therefore being born before and thus being immune to The Cloud Kingdom, which can write the fate of people. Should be same as FSM)

I really don't see why existing prior to fate manipulators like The Writers of Destiny in the Cloud Kingdom gives him Acausality type 4 and resistance to fate hax. (also You should specify in this case that the acausality will give resistance to fate manipulation since acau type 4 no longer gives abilities on its own)

Is Evilitself, and can literally breath Dark Matter that turns other evil.

I don't see how this grants resistance.

Incorporeality (Ghosts do not have a physical body because they are spirits)

This should be Intangibility.

Pain Manipulation (Was able to control Wojira by pain, even if she's stronger than him)

Isn't this more so his attack being painful than pain manipulation?

Beyond-Dimensional Existence (Type 1; Exists in his own personal Realm, which is located outside the 16 Realms, and was unaffected by the Merge, who merged the Realms together, that were proven to be a set of multiplespace-time continuum)

My problem with this is that you have to prove that FSM's world lacks space and time which we don't have proof of. Simply being considered separate from the 16 realms doesn't automatically make it lack space and time since we already treat each realm as having its own space-time. Also even then you have to prove that FSM completely lacks Spatio-temporal features

So long as the Balance remains Low Complex Multiverse after all the axing, this is fine.

Do we treat being an abstract being over a concept that spans a Low 1-C range as a durability feat?

And regarding the elemental masters, resistance to their respective element, I will address that in a different reply.

Other than that everything else should be fine.