Ninjago Abilities Update

[Lloydblitzed]

maybe, not sure about that. You're better off asking another staff for that.

I see, will do

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Bump x1
Hopefully one mod can comment on Conceptual Manip

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

Agree with everything except CM type 1. What does light and darkness define ?

If the imbalance between them influence the realms instead the realmd destruction influencing them, then there is CM.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Agree with everything except CM type 1. What does light and darkness define ?

If the imbalance between them influence the realms instead the realmd destruction influencing them, then there is CM.

Tommy stated that when the balance is shifted towards good too much, something bad will happen

We also saw how Ninjago got corrupted after Overlord shifted the balance back in S2

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

We also saw how Ninjago got corrupted after Overlord shifted the balance back in S2

How did he shift the balance? It's been a while since I watched Ninjago.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

How did he shift the balance? It's been a while since I watched Ninjago.

By crossing over Ninjago and corrupting the Realm

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

By crossing over Ninjago and corrupting the Realm

Then it's a Domino effect

This, however, does not qualify for this form of conceptual manipulation, and is rather treated as a by-product of another action akin to a "domino effect". This type of conceptual manipulation can only be obtained if the abstract concept itself is changed directly, and not by indirect methods. For example, destroying humanity and thus "ending the concept of humanity" would not qualify, while directly "ending the concept of humanity" and thus destroying humanity would qualify.

He is doing it indirectly by corrupting the realms.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

What does light and darkness define ?

Light is represented by FSM (Good) and Darkness is represented by Overlord (Evil)

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

You could possibly prove that light and darkness are CM type 2

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

Light is represented by FSM (Good) and Darkness is represented by Overlord (Evil)

Then they are an abstract concept and exist in a dual state dependent on each other, right?

Possibly CM type 2 and nondual?

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Then it's a Domino effect

He is doing it indirectly by corrupting the realms.

The thing is, he stated that he will destroy the Balance directly

Wu also states that Overlord was directly corrupting the "powers of creation" which refers to the light side of the balance here

 

[Overlord_Darkness]

Possibly CM type 2 and nondual?

This seems likely. CM Type 1 is too abstractal for Ninjago, but Type 2 fits nice. About nonduality.. For Overlord?

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Then they are an abstract concept and exist in a dual state dependent on each other, right?

Yes indeed

 

[Overlord_Darkness]

Another support for Nonduality for Overlord is that he, being pure evil, can use Golden Power at it's finest. Like Darkness which can use Light on most powerful level.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

This seems likely. CM Type 1 is too abstractal for Ninjago, but Type 2 fits nice. About nonduality.. For Overlord?

Light=? and Darkness=Overlord

Type1: Specific Nonduality: Characters existing in a nondual state regarding one or more specific dual systems. This type of nonduality immunizes the user against attacks and haxes bound by the specific dual systems in question.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

Another support for Nonduality for Overlord is that he, being pure evil, can use Golden Power at it's finest. Like Darkness which can use Light on most powerful level.

Can light use darkness ?

 

[Overlord_Darkness]

Light=? and Darkness=Overlord

Light is all of Spinjitzu

 

[Overlord_Darkness]

Can light use darkness ?

It was never shown, so I doubt on it. Only Overlord is able to do such thing.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

It was never shown, so I doubt on it. Only Overlord is able to do such thing.

Didn't he have a weakness to golden energy ?

 

[Overlord_Darkness]

Didn't he have weakness to golden energy ?

I think it's not a weakness like "Light is the only thing that stops Darkness". It seems like Golden Power is just too powerful to stand against. If Overlord ever had Golden Power as his primary weakness then he shouldn't be able to use it like FSM or even greater. But he can use it in that way.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

I think it's not a weakness like "Light is the only thing that stops Darkness". It seems like Golden Power is just too powerful to stand against. If Overlord ever had Golden Power as his primary weakness then he shouldn't be able to use it like FSM or even greater. But he can use it in that way.

ye

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

What is Overlord weakness ?

 

[Overlord_Darkness]

What is Overlord weakness ?

The only weakness he has is plot armor on main cast.

Avatar Creation and possession. He can't directly affect existence.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

The only weakness he has is plot armor on main cast.

Avatar Creation and possession. He can't directly affect existence.

The avatar of darkness could use light but Darkness itself can't because it's the opposite, right?

Nonduality type 1 for light and darknes, and not their avatars, spinjitsu...

 

[Overlord_Darkness]

The avatar of darkness could use light but Darkness itself can't because it's the opposite, right?

As show claims, Golden Master is Overlord's true immortal (some sort of incorporeal) body. So no, it's Darkness can use Light, but Light cannot use Darkness. As I can see, Darkness fits for Nonduality Type 1 (maybe even Type 2, because Light includes Time which is thread that holds reality together).

 

[Overlord_Darkness]

I think we need another CRT for this. Seems interesting.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

As show claims, Golden Master is Overlord's true immortal (some sort of incorporeal) body. So no, it's Darkness can use Light, but Light cannot use Darkness. As I can see, Darkness fits for Nonduality Type 1 (maybe even Type 2, because Light includes Time which is thread that holds reality together).

Ok but Overlord ir golden master are just avatars and not True light and True darkness. That's why their avatar are dual(light and darkness).

Possible Beyond dimensional existence type 1 and Acausality type 1 for Light and Darkness ?

Type 1: Characters whose nature is defined by lacking spatiotemporal features without necessarily being superior to any of them. As a result they aren't limited to existing within spatiotemporal realms and are often unaffected by Spatial Manipulation and Time Manipulation or can at least defend against it by leaving spacetime at will. They are usually Acausal (Type 1) as a result of being outside of regular time.

and possibly an upgrade to L1-C because they exist outside.

I think we need another CRT for this. Seems interesting.

A CRT for Light and Darkness

 

[Overlord_Darkness]

Possible Beyond dimensional existence type 1 and Acausality type 1 for Light and Darkness ?

Overlord already has BDE Type 1.

Ok but Overlord ir golden master are just avatars and not True light and True darkness. That's why their avatar are dual(light and darkness).

Overlord was stated to be Darkness and Evil itself (that's why he have Abstract Existence Type 1 on profile), so he is true darkness. About true light: Golden Power fits to be true light since this power includes almost all elements and essences in existence (Creation, Destruction, Time e.t.c.) and was stated to be true essence of the FSM.

A CRT for Light and Darkness ?

A CRT for Nonduality Type 2 for Overlord and Type 1 for FSM (because Golden Power includes Creation and Destruction which is the first duality in reality).

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

Overlord was stated to be Darkness and Evil itself

Link ?

 

[Overlord_Darkness]

Link ?

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Ok but Overlord ir golden master are just avatars and not True light and True darkness. That's why their avatar are dual(light and darkness).

His Golden Master Form is stated to be his “Free” Form, meanwhile previous bodies are “pathetic” and “mortal”

and possibly an upgrade to L1-C because they exist outside.

You do not get Low 1-C for existing outside.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

We need to revise it.


True Darkness->Overlord(Darkness, evil...)=Master of Spinjitsu(Spinjitsu, golden power...)<-True light

Master of Spinjitsu and The Overlord are individuals with a personality without the limitation of their Source. That's why the Overlord ould fuse with the golden power the same way everything in Ninjago could be influeced by golden power or corrupted by The Overlord darkness .
The only CM, Nondual , BDE are True Light and True Darkness . The Overlord seems more like AE 2

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

His Golden Master Form is stated to be his “Free” Form, meanwhile previous bodies are “pathetic” and “mortal”

It's like saying that he was always a prisonner since his existence.

 

[Overlord_Darkness]

It's like saying that he was always a prisonner since his existence.

Overlord in Spirit Form have NEP because of existence before existence (Reality, Creation)

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

You do not get Low 1-C for existing outside.

Type 1: Characters whose nature is defined by lacking spatiotemporal features without necessarily being superior to any of them. As a result they aren't limited to existing within spatiotemporal realms and are often unaffected by Spatial Manipulation and Time Manipulation or can at least defend against it by leaving spacetime at will. They are usually Acausal (Type 1) as a result of being outside of regular time.

Light and Darkness are outside and creation(time, space...) is just a manifestation of them.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

We need to revise it.


True Darkness->Overlord(Darkness, evil...)=Master of Spinjitsu(Spinjitsu, golden power...)<-True light

Master of Spinjitsu and The Overlord are individuals with a personality without the limitation of their Source. That's why the Overlord ould fuse with the golden power the same way everything in Ninjago could be influeced by golden power or corrupted by The Overlord darkness .
The only CM, Nondual , BDE are True Light and True Darkness . The Overlord seems more like AE 2

What? He literally is the Source of all Evil, he sent it, how in hell this is AE Type 2.

It's like saying that he was always a prisonner since his existence.

Not since his existence. "I WANT MY OWN BACK", referring to his Ancient form.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Light and Darkness are outside and creation(time, space...) is just a manifestation of them.

Outside does not mean transcendence.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Outside does not mean transcendence.

Isn't that BDE? Unless we have a way to prove QS over Ninjago for FSM and Overlord

 

[Overlord_Darkness]

Isn't that BDE? Unless we have a way to prove QS over Ninjago for FSM and Overlord

Just BDE. You right.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

Overlord in Spirit Form have NEP because of existence before existence (Reality, Creation)

Isn't this because he finally can finally influence creation with the golden power while he was limited before that ?

Outside does not mean transcendence.

Type 1: Characters whose nature is defined by lacking spatiotemporal features without necessarily being superior to any of them.