the size of that reality marble is unknown and so is that piece of land. also we don't know how much of the land it destroyed because the rest of the fight took place down in the depths of the castle, which has an unknown depth.
We see a shot of it hitting and breaking apart, and can see its not consistent with the results of the KE it should have if it was the same as Arc's. We also can see the area Sion was fighting at pre moon hit from where Shiki was it wasn't some absurd depth down.
it didn't make that distinction.
It didn't have to because it was blatantly obvious especially when you look at reasoning he gave for people like ORT on other lists, like I said. Everyone in the list of people that can fight Servants are ones he thinks will have a fairish fight, this is obvious by simply seeing who is and isn't there, and the fact that he does things like mention "one on one with an average NP" or "X can have a defensive fight, but it's still a fight" it's clear he didn't list the people who stomp.
and it also excluded characters like Forte who is equal to the Burial Agency, who can supposedly fight Servants (though in Tsukihime lore they seem to be far stronger than this would suggest), who Satsujinki (Shiki Tohno) defeated instantly without even having to harm her.
Forte isn't equal to the Burial Agency via anything but her own thoughts. The thoughts of Magus on their own ability vs a competitor isn't a very good indicator of strength kek
and clearly multiple incarnations of Roa can fight Servants, including him as SHIKI Tohno since he can fight Len and quite a few others, yet he was not included in the list because he isn't apart of the 27 ancestors. it also doesn't include Alice Kuonji who can summon Flat Snark and has magecraft close to True Magic or Soujuurou, either the one who fought Beowulf or his prime self.
This and the above has a pretty simple explanation though. And it's uhh
Nasu didn't want to sit down and pick each and every character in the series who can fight Servants. The list of people who can beat Servants not including everyone who can fight them, or stomp them, has no correlation to other interviews suddenly not counting in any case.
it's clear this statement is shaky and shouldn't be taken at face value. fortunately for Servants, there is another statement besides that bad comparison saying they can fight DAAs but like i said before, the ones we've seen have consistently been the best of the best and extreme anomalies who can fight Arcueid, who is above all True Ancestors who are generally far above the average Dead Apostle Ancestor.
the comparison to Gilgamesh was just demonstrating how she is bad in terms of compatability, which she is. her ultimate one comparison was just a demonstration of how it works and Servants were used as a hypothetical. if you want to use Servants being compared to DAAs, comparing them to True Ancestors let alone any Arcueid that isn't the half dead one just cannot happen.
the average DAA can fight against Servants, while True Ancestors are generally far above most DAAs, with Arcueid stomping one's that have succumb to their bloodlust making them far power powerful (demon lords).
Nothing said here at all supports what you're saying though?
You start off saying the interview(s) shouldn't be used because it didn't include everyone ever, and then use that to segue into how "we haven't seen average ones, we've just seen stronger ones" Which not only isn't entirely true, but is completely irrelevant since the statements were never "Servants can fight the average DAA" it was that Servants could generally compete against most of the DAA
Soujuurou was stated to be the strongest Type-Moon protagonist yet he was not included on the list, even though he has been apart of the canon since 1996.
no version of Roa was included in that list.
no version of Akiha was included in that last, even though weaker versions of her can beat 50% Arcueid and Kouma in Melty Blood, ignoring her insane power in the original Kohaku Route where she's above full power Arcueid (not Archetype for clarification).
Forte was not included in this list even though Burial Agency members according to other Nasu statements can fight Servants easily and she is on their level.
Alice Kuonji isn't on this list.
Sion is not on the list despite being able to fight against Melty Blood Arcueid and Wallachia.
Riesbyfe isn't on the list, who can fight DAAs.
and i'm only trying to go under the assumption that he wasn't including people who stomp them. otherwise this gets into crazy territory, like Nanaya not being included despite being above the entire cast of Tsukihime aside from Archetype due to his speed alone and a weaker version of him (White Len Tatari) killed someone on the list (Kouma).
Again, not only was it for fair fights, but it's crazy to try to assume he'd list so many people when giving an answer in a multi question interview.
"Who can fight Servants? Well sit down and let me list them for 30 minutes"
Him not doing that in no way invalidates interviews lol, it's like, genuinely insane to think it would.
Void's defensive statement was also contradicted by another statement where she's the second strongest in the franchise (presumably behind Archetype Arc since Actress Again seems to imply that), putting her above many characters that would stomp Servants. there's arguments that it wasn't counting Void using her powers, but that's speculation. you guys scaled her to Akasha despite what that Servant comparison said (which i'm totally behind. so good job). i'm just pointing out how even you guys don't really properly follow any of this.
See ignoring all the other inaccurate stuff said here, the statement never said Void Shiki. It said 3rd personality. And given all we know with statements and feats, it's likely not referring to Void, but her post coma self, specifically with a katana.
Post coma she's described multiple times to be different, since she's no longer Shiki or SHIKI, she's a fusion in a way, Shiki who is adopting parts of SHIKI, in the Araya fight he also notes that when she has a katana, that's her true self because of suggestion, i.e, not the same personality in a sense. With the feats and scaling and such, it's more likely he meant that than Void, but I digress
it's far away in the same manner as the moon. i don't really get how this matters. besides, Aoko's feat isn't the big deal here. Wallachia's moon feat is against Sion.
I mean, you're the one who said it is a full sized moon, and this would be the only thing that supports a tier 5 rating for Arc, Aoko and whoever scales, so it is decently important if you're trying to say it's not an outlier. It being far away doesn't help prove its moon sized and has the structure of the Moon, given it like, you know, comes in a vial
As a liquid
if we go by its descriptions, it was also called the "fifth-dimensional plane" directly, and you and me both know it isn't multiversal. so i don't think weird vague titles like that really matter much.
I mean, it unironically probably is, but that's besides the point, the point is that stuff like this goes against it being a full fledged moon she busted, which is important for the reason I said above
that would just mean she got stronger since MB takes place after Tsukihime. Tohno also generally doesn't tap into his Nanaya Arts unless it's a fight to the death, so i don't really see the problem here. hell, he stalemated Ciel when he was injured prior in the Akiha Route when he did think she was trying to kill him. and his Akiha Route self is generally pretty weaker than him from the other routes.
There's no reason to assume she got stronger after losing the Roa stuff, in fact she'd logically get weaker or at best be the same, the only time she's actually said to be stronger is as Powered Ciel, no one ever even comments on it saying she's stronger, nothing implies it, etc.
Tohno not tapping into the Nanaya arts wouldn't matter because the one this thread is trying to scale didn't either, that was base Shiki, no eyes, tanking hits from Sion and then cutting her. This same base Shiki got stomped while 2v1ing Ciel, and needed an amp to get her to decide to leave
at the very best, that would mean Kirei can fight Tsukihime Ciel, even if we pretend like that isn't contradicted. also Zero Kirei with his command seals during the Kiritsugu fight was the one being compared to Ciel, who is well above the one that fought TA, who already has really high stats for a Servant.
It's not really contradicted no. And yes, Zero Kirei was being used because, and I quote "Kirei's prowess in "Zero" was rooted in the sheer number of Command Spells at his disposal as much as it was in his obsession with Kiritsugu." However this doesn't really help servants not scale, because if you remember the Einzbern Consultation Room, it's stated that servant good at h2h (basically not Assassins or Casters) would still beat this prime Kirei who can fight Ciel, and Kiritsugu, who'd scale to him too.
There are so many avenues that Servants would scale through, its very consistent, which makes 5-B very inconsistent. Especially given what Crimson said about this Moon drop anyway, since I'm pretty sure KE calcs also have to show a similar level of destruction to the calced result to even be used.
