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Yeah feats, statements, abilities, etc etc make her no. 1
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Naruto to Boruto Thread 54
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Even Teen Naruto was matching Kaguya while HOLDING BACK at that
And for hours on end as well
Adult Naruto is FAR stronger Kaguya
And Isshiki stomped him and Sasuke
Despite what many of you think
Kaguya isn't number one anymore
Her immortality is the only thing keeping her from getting her ass murked by Naruto, Sasuke, Momoshiki, Isshiki
And for hours on end as well
Adult Naruto is FAR stronger Kaguya
And Isshiki stomped him and Sasuke
Despite what many of you think
Kaguya isn't number one anymore
Her immortality is the only thing keeping her from getting her ass murked by Naruto, Sasuke, Momoshiki, Isshiki
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I don't know why I did the spaces tbh
And just the because one majority agrees on it
Doesn't make it true
If a Teen Naruto while holding back can match Kaguya
Then a much stronger Naruto alongside Sasuke getting clapped by a not even full power Jigen shows
Jigen>Kaguya
And just the because one majority agrees on it
Doesn't make it true
If a Teen Naruto while holding back can match Kaguya
Then a much stronger Naruto alongside Sasuke getting clapped by a not even full power Jigen shows
Jigen>Kaguya
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Naruto was holding back in his fight with Kaguya? What makes you think that?
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He flat out states it
He says he he can't use Ninjutsu because she'll just absorb it
So he has to restrict himself to merely Taijutsu to fight her
Plus, he's only in his Six Paths Cloak
He doesn't use his Asura Kurama Sage Mode
He says he he can't use Ninjutsu because she'll just absorb it
So he has to restrict himself to merely Taijutsu to fight her
Plus, he's only in his Six Paths Cloak
He doesn't use his Asura Kurama Sage Mode
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kaguya has the byakugan which is superior to the sharingan in perception which could already track jigen down. Kaguya can open portals to escape jigen's sealing. Jigen stated to a beaten naruto that he would be to hard to kill thanks to the nine tails and kaguya is immortal with even better regen than naruto. Jigen has garbage stamina with his reserves being near zero in a short fight with naruto and sasuke in comparison to the stamina beast kaguya is. Kaguya has moves like ash bones and IT which could oneshot jigen.
Jigen's arsenal being countered by kaguya along with her having oneshot moves and with jigen's shit stamina how would he win imao the only thing better is his physicals but punches and kicks aint gonna do shit.
Jigen's arsenal being countered by kaguya along with her having oneshot moves and with jigen's shit stamina how would he win imao the only thing better is his physicals but punches and kicks aint gonna do shit.
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Actually it was kaguya who was massively holding back against teen Naruto,not to mention it wasn't even Prime kaguyaAnimesFreak2 said:
Adult Naruto is stringer than his teen self yes,but not against kaguya the difference is too high
Her skillset is on a whole different level compared to any of these,in Kaguya fight naruto used multiple attacks and techniques and fought with chakra arms where as with jigen all he did was physical fight and didn't even use his chakra arms as when he used against kaguya
Not to mention kaguya's rabbit goddess form with an insta touch will absorn anyone,not just ninjutsu
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It's obviously, Kaguya was massively holding back and just want to Nardo n Sauce alive because of CHAKRA
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My god no
Kaguya was NOT holding back against Naruto
It's like people keep skipping Chapter 686
Kaguya and Black Zetsu literally flat out stated that trying to get Naruto's chakra wasn't worth it anymore and said he was better off dead! THIS IS CANON PROOF that Kaguya saw Naruto as a real threat and was acknowledging his power!
Kaguya and Black Zetsu were even RELEAVED SEVERAL TIMES when they thought Naruto was dead
Kishimoto even emphasized this fact by naming Chapter 686: "We must kill him!"
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Kaguya was NOT holding back against Naruto
It's like people keep skipping Chapter 686
Kaguya and Black Zetsu literally flat out stated that trying to get Naruto's chakra wasn't worth it anymore and said he was better off dead! THIS IS CANON PROOF that Kaguya saw Naruto as a real threat and was acknowledging his power!
Kaguya and Black Zetsu were even RELEAVED SEVERAL TIMES when they thought Naruto was dead
Kishimoto even emphasized this fact by naming Chapter 686: "We must kill him!"
For some reason, this site isn't letting me post a picture so I'll just leave the links
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Kaguya gets stomped by literally any of the Boruto era God tiers in terms of strength. It's not even close. She's only relevant because of her hax, but even that she's too dumb to use properly so she loses anyway.
Naruto matched her as a teen without even using his Kurama Avatar lol. If anyone was holding back it's him.
Even Base Momoshiki has statements putting him above Kaguya, let alone when he absorbed Kinshiki. Jigen would make a joke out of her as well when it comes to raw power.
Again her hax is good, but she never used it to it's full potential and was never that smart, so it legitimately doesn't matter.
Naruto matched her as a teen without even using his Kurama Avatar lol. If anyone was holding back it's him.
Even Base Momoshiki has statements putting him above Kaguya, let alone when he absorbed Kinshiki. Jigen would make a joke out of her as well when it comes to raw power.
Again her hax is good, but she never used it to it's full potential and was never that smart, so it legitimately doesn't matter.
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Uchiha Slayer96
I would give you more Kudos if I could
I would give you more Kudos if I could
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Lol momoshike needed chakra pills to travel dimensions where as kaguya casually did so , showing momoshike or kinshike ain't even comparable to her in raw power.
Fused momoshike got stomped by less than half power naruto and sasuke who at that state were comparable to their teen states, even Sasuke saying them being stronger was a hypothesis heck even full powered Sasuke was implied to have soloed both momo and kin before fusion just that he was weakened.
Prime Kaguya was literally having infinite chakra and being ten tails she had unlimited supply of nature chakra as well. In her rabbit goddess form it's an insta win for her literally any jutsus thrown at her gets absorbed and anyone she touches gets absorbed by her as well.
She even has Statments of casually creating dimensions just as she pleases. Ash killing bones insta gg, ETSB insta GG, infinite Tsukyomi insta GG
Jigen definitely has strength and speed advantage over her but that's all useless against the dimension hop and every other jutsus snd if she used her dimensions efficiently she would beat jigen,
Not to mention kaguya can even merge with her dimensions space time.
Fused momoshike got stomped by less than half power naruto and sasuke who at that state were comparable to their teen states, even Sasuke saying them being stronger was a hypothesis heck even full powered Sasuke was implied to have soloed both momo and kin before fusion just that he was weakened.
Prime Kaguya was literally having infinite chakra and being ten tails she had unlimited supply of nature chakra as well. In her rabbit goddess form it's an insta win for her literally any jutsus thrown at her gets absorbed and anyone she touches gets absorbed by her as well.
She even has Statments of casually creating dimensions just as she pleases. Ash killing bones insta gg, ETSB insta GG, infinite Tsukyomi insta GG
Jigen definitely has strength and speed advantage over her but that's all useless against the dimension hop and every other jutsus snd if she used her dimensions efficiently she would beat jigen,
Not to mention kaguya can even merge with her dimensions space time.
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Momoshike was even impressed by mere Kurama's chakra and took so much time absorbing it, and Kurama's chakra is negatively fodder than Kaguya's chakra. One can even argue Adult naruto and sasuke are weakened but I won't go there
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Kaguya doesn't really get stomped, she actually has far better durability and stamina in comparison to all the rest
She managed to survive a barrage of tailed beast rasen shuriken from naruto, not just that but by far had so much more chakra than all of them as well. She's constantly using high rank teleportation ninjutsu that everyone recognizes as costing a lot of chakra and being a monster for it. While Jigen can't even do that too much before he's breaking apart.
She then takes on groups of naruto clones with no issue and could even blitz Sasuke.
Jigen by comparison posses too little stamina and just lacks the same staying power. His durability isn't really well known since the most he did was take a kick from sage Sasuke, never actually getting hit with any of their more powerful Jutsu, and he's less speedblitzing in this battle then it really seems due to how he doesn't really surprise them through his speed but his size manipulation ability.
Whatever Ōtsutsuki is possessing Jigen might be more powerful than Kaguya, but Jigen himself could only hope to compare to her as he is now.
Edit: Take that back, the best he did was tank a kick from Naruto.
She managed to survive a barrage of tailed beast rasen shuriken from naruto, not just that but by far had so much more chakra than all of them as well. She's constantly using high rank teleportation ninjutsu that everyone recognizes as costing a lot of chakra and being a monster for it. While Jigen can't even do that too much before he's breaking apart.
She then takes on groups of naruto clones with no issue and could even blitz Sasuke.
Jigen by comparison posses too little stamina and just lacks the same staying power. His durability isn't really well known since the most he did was take a kick from sage Sasuke, never actually getting hit with any of their more powerful Jutsu, and he's less speedblitzing in this battle then it really seems due to how he doesn't really surprise them through his speed but his size manipulation ability.
Whatever Ōtsutsuki is possessing Jigen might be more powerful than Kaguya, but Jigen himself could only hope to compare to her as he is now.
Edit: Take that back, the best he did was tank a kick from Naruto.
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Lol momoshike needed chakra pills to travel dimensions where as kaguya casually did so, showing momoshike or kinshike ain't even comparable to her in raw power.
I know you got that argument from CV its literally unquantifiable the amount of dimensions he jumped before reaching Earth could have been way more than Kaguya ever jumped in her fight so its not a contradiction
Fused momoshike got stomped by less than half power naruto and sasuke who at that state were comparable to their teen states,
This is literally the height of assumptions lol
even Sasuke saying them being stronger was a hypothesis heck even full powered Sasuke was implied to have soloed both momo and kin before fusion just that he was weakened.
Which just means Sasuke > Fused Momoshiki > Momoshiki and Kinshiki > Kaguya cause shocker he got stronger too
Prime Kaguya was literally having infinite chakra
Where does this even come from? lol
and being ten tails she had unlimited supply of nature chakra as well.
The Ten Tails doesn't have unlimited natural energy it just has an ungodly amount of it but its not really relevant when the people brought up outstat Ten Tails Jins
In her rabbit goddess form it's an insta win for her literally any jutsus thrown at her gets absorbed and anyone she touches gets absorbed by her as well.
She can't enter that form on her own she needs to lose control of the Bijuu to do that which wouldn't happen in a hypothetical fight against the two
She even has Statments of casually creating dimensions just as she pleases.
OK so does Momo your point?
Ash killing bones insta gg,
They wouldn't even land they're too slow even Teen Naruto could dodge them and the Adult vastly out strip him in speed, not to mention Jigen can just block them like he did Sasuke's sword by growing rods on his skin
ETSB insta GG,
Dimension Hopping negs
infinite Tsukyomi insta GG
Dimension Hopping can also neg this
Jigen definitely has strength and speed advantage over her but that's all useless against the dimension hop and every other jutsus snd if she used her dimensions efficiently she would beat jigen,
Which is a hax argument when people say Momoshiki > Kaguya they exclusively mean raw stats/ power without hax taken into account
Not to mention kaguya can even merge with her dimensions space time.
Where does this even come from?
Momoshike was even impressed by mere Kurama's chakra and took so much time absorbing it, and Kurama's chakra is negatively fodder than Kaguya's chakra.
OK them being weakened wouldn't even matter cause that would just mean their weakened selves > Kaguya in stats
I know you got that argument from CV its literally unquantifiable the amount of dimensions he jumped before reaching Earth could have been way more than Kaguya ever jumped in her fight so its not a contradiction
Fused momoshike got stomped by less than half power naruto and sasuke who at that state were comparable to their teen states,
This is literally the height of assumptions lol
even Sasuke saying them being stronger was a hypothesis heck even full powered Sasuke was implied to have soloed both momo and kin before fusion just that he was weakened.
Which just means Sasuke > Fused Momoshiki > Momoshiki and Kinshiki > Kaguya cause shocker he got stronger too
Prime Kaguya was literally having infinite chakra
Where does this even come from? lol
and being ten tails she had unlimited supply of nature chakra as well.
The Ten Tails doesn't have unlimited natural energy it just has an ungodly amount of it but its not really relevant when the people brought up outstat Ten Tails Jins
In her rabbit goddess form it's an insta win for her literally any jutsus thrown at her gets absorbed and anyone she touches gets absorbed by her as well.
She can't enter that form on her own she needs to lose control of the Bijuu to do that which wouldn't happen in a hypothetical fight against the two
She even has Statments of casually creating dimensions just as she pleases.
OK so does Momo your point?
Ash killing bones insta gg,
They wouldn't even land they're too slow even Teen Naruto could dodge them and the Adult vastly out strip him in speed, not to mention Jigen can just block them like he did Sasuke's sword by growing rods on his skin
ETSB insta GG,
Dimension Hopping negs
infinite Tsukyomi insta GG
Dimension Hopping can also neg this
Jigen definitely has strength and speed advantage over her but that's all useless against the dimension hop and every other jutsus snd if she used her dimensions efficiently she would beat jigen,
Which is a hax argument when people say Momoshiki > Kaguya they exclusively mean raw stats/ power without hax taken into account
Not to mention kaguya can even merge with her dimensions space time.
Where does this even come from?
Momoshike was even impressed by mere Kurama's chakra and took so much time absorbing it, and Kurama's chakra is negatively fodder than Kaguya's chakra.
- Naruto's Chakra
OK them being weakened wouldn't even matter cause that would just mean their weakened selves > Kaguya in stats
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feats>>lore statements.
Cell country level comfirmed
momoshiki got only lore when all those lore doesnt just refer to him.
It does actually every medium references him and Kinshiki as the threats Kaguya was prepping for
Cell country level comfirmed
momoshiki got only lore when all those lore doesnt just refer to him.
It does actually every medium references him and Kinshiki as the threats Kaguya was prepping for
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@NotCensored
1000% Agreed.
1000% Agreed.
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Kaguya at her prime could have also done that as well, but we don't know since we didn't see it
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Still Jigen/Isshiki act like serious and gentleman is far better than Momo's too much **** and Kaguya's psycho and wants to random person's Chakra back to her.
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@Notcensored Why would we assune he jumped multiple dimensions or not?we simply see him needing chakra pills to hop dimensions thats it
Yeah full powered sasuke is stronger than Fused Momo
Prine Kaguya having infinite chakra comes from databooks
When Kaguya merged with god tree and became ten tails there she had all access to the nature chakra as well via God tree
An incomplete rabbit form can easily absorb so her complete juubi mode can do that as well i guess.
Momoshike created a dimension yes,but kaguya was said to create dimensions casually.
He needs chakra pills to hop dimensions if he doesn't have those then he gets destroyed by Etsb
The fact that she can casually change worlds and teleport people from any of her dimensions which neither Momoshike or jigen were able to do and its been Repeatedly said changing worlds and teleportation to various dimensions require monsterous amts of chakra which again neither of them could do,showing Kaguya's raw power was far beyond these two.
Her merging with her dimensions was shown in ch 681 or something where she briefly merges with her one of her dimensions(Ice dimension) and entraps naruto and sasuke
Wasn't that said to be kyuubis chakra??
No neither of Naruto or sasuke comes close to kaguya,statwise kaguya dwarfs both of them
Yeah full powered sasuke is stronger than Fused Momo
Prine Kaguya having infinite chakra comes from databooks
When Kaguya merged with god tree and became ten tails there she had all access to the nature chakra as well via God tree
An incomplete rabbit form can easily absorb so her complete juubi mode can do that as well i guess.
Momoshike created a dimension yes,but kaguya was said to create dimensions casually.
He needs chakra pills to hop dimensions if he doesn't have those then he gets destroyed by Etsb
The fact that she can casually change worlds and teleport people from any of her dimensions which neither Momoshike or jigen were able to do and its been Repeatedly said changing worlds and teleportation to various dimensions require monsterous amts of chakra which again neither of them could do,showing Kaguya's raw power was far beyond these two.
Her merging with her dimensions was shown in ch 681 or something where she briefly merges with her one of her dimensions(Ice dimension) and entraps naruto and sasuke
Wasn't that said to be kyuubis chakra??
No neither of Naruto or sasuke comes close to kaguya,statwise kaguya dwarfs both of them
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More like nobody was there to notice unlike this time around when we have Toneri. It was said the entire planet's chakra was causing space time breaks which actually isn't impressive since Toneri can put it back to Normal
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https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...FjAAegQICRAD&usg=AOvVaw3aWSEsnMjoo063bQ3BQlkT
Im posting this link to make you all know how much of a beast Kaguya was
Im posting this link to make you all know how much of a beast Kaguya was
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1. Because Toneri is absolutely fodder and kinshike just said about the spatial curvature of the planet being 16 nothing suggests it was of naruto, it was entire planet's.
2. Look at the trivia the current situations are also up there not just of 2014
2. Look at the trivia the current situations are also up there not just of 2014
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Why would we assune he jumped multiple dimensions or not?
Because he jumped an unknown number of times from an unknown point in the universe, through who knows how many of Dimensions before reaching Earth, again the whole argument that he needs pills to get to Earth as a way of saying Kaguya > Momoshiki relies on the asumption that he jumped less than Kaguya did when you can just as easily assume he jumped more Dimensions than she did as a way of keeping consistency with his statements
we simply see him needing chakra pills to hop dimensions thats it
You're forgetting that Kaguya needed chakra from the Shinobi caught in the Shinju after Dimension hopping as well
Yeah full powered sasuke is stronger than Fused Momo
Yes i know the assumption part was that they were stated to be as strong as their Teen selves that statement doesn't exist
Prine Kaguya having infinite chakra comes from databooks
Infinite doesn't actually mean infinite at all times it has different cultural meanings depending on the country, it basically amounts to "very great"
When Kaguya merged with god tree and became ten tails there she had all access to the nature chakra as well via God tree
Which doesn't really mean anything as even with that amp she didn't completely eclipse Teen Naruto in stats and he was still relative to her
An incomplete rabbit form can easily absorb so her complete juubi mode can do that as well i guess.
Her Juubi form is just the Ten Tails we saw in the War but stronger it doesn't have that particular ability until it turns into the Shinju then it can absorb Chakra but its still not on the level of her Rabbit Form
Momoshike created a dimension yes,but kaguya was said to create dimensions casually.
Momoshiki's was also casual even while weaker than his base he created his "greatest technique" meaning his Dimension creation isn't even that hard for him to do its never even implied to be that taxing for him either
He needs chakra pills to hop dimensions if he doesn't have those then he gets destroyed by Etsb
He hopped multiple dimensions before needing the pills he didn't need the pills to go from Naruto's Earth to his Dimension etc. etc.
The fact that she can casually change worlds and teleport people from any of her dimensions which neither Momoshike or jigen were able to do and its been Repeatedly said changing worlds and teleportation to various dimensions require monsterous amts of chakra which again neither of them could do,showing Kaguya's raw power was far beyond these two.
Cause those are just abilities that she has mate they have nothing to do with Raw Stats just cause your a Planet Buster doesn't mean you can warp Planets as you see fit or AOE teleport people
Her merging with her dimensions was shown in ch 681 or something where she briefly merges with her one of her dimensions(Ice dimension) and entraps naruto and sasuke
She doesn't merge with her dimension what are talking about she just manipluates it thats not the same as merging
Wasn't that said to be kyuubis chakra??
He wants the Kyuubi's Chakra to remake the Shinju but the massive chakra he was referring to was Naruto in general not the 9 Tails
No neither of Naruto or sasuke comes close to kaguya,statwise kaguya dwarfs both of them
Naruto as a Teen blitzed her and overpowered her on 2 occasions and Kaguya out right states the duo she was prepping for was Momoshiki and Kinshiki which definitely means Fused Momoshiki > her and Sasuke agreed with the assessment, Naruto and Sasuke are both relative to him at half power meanings that scale above Kaguya now this has been reiterated in every medium
You can believe Prime Kaguya or whatever is the strongest in the verse but shes irrelevant for scaling the God Tiers its War Arc Kaguya that matters and its the one everyone referrs to when they make those stronger than Kaguya claims
Because he jumped an unknown number of times from an unknown point in the universe, through who knows how many of Dimensions before reaching Earth, again the whole argument that he needs pills to get to Earth as a way of saying Kaguya > Momoshiki relies on the asumption that he jumped less than Kaguya did when you can just as easily assume he jumped more Dimensions than she did as a way of keeping consistency with his statements
we simply see him needing chakra pills to hop dimensions thats it
You're forgetting that Kaguya needed chakra from the Shinobi caught in the Shinju after Dimension hopping as well
Yeah full powered sasuke is stronger than Fused Momo
Yes i know the assumption part was that they were stated to be as strong as their Teen selves that statement doesn't exist
Prine Kaguya having infinite chakra comes from databooks
Infinite doesn't actually mean infinite at all times it has different cultural meanings depending on the country, it basically amounts to "very great"
When Kaguya merged with god tree and became ten tails there she had all access to the nature chakra as well via God tree
Which doesn't really mean anything as even with that amp she didn't completely eclipse Teen Naruto in stats and he was still relative to her
An incomplete rabbit form can easily absorb so her complete juubi mode can do that as well i guess.
Her Juubi form is just the Ten Tails we saw in the War but stronger it doesn't have that particular ability until it turns into the Shinju then it can absorb Chakra but its still not on the level of her Rabbit Form
Momoshike created a dimension yes,but kaguya was said to create dimensions casually.
Momoshiki's was also casual even while weaker than his base he created his "greatest technique" meaning his Dimension creation isn't even that hard for him to do its never even implied to be that taxing for him either
He needs chakra pills to hop dimensions if he doesn't have those then he gets destroyed by Etsb
He hopped multiple dimensions before needing the pills he didn't need the pills to go from Naruto's Earth to his Dimension etc. etc.
The fact that she can casually change worlds and teleport people from any of her dimensions which neither Momoshike or jigen were able to do and its been Repeatedly said changing worlds and teleportation to various dimensions require monsterous amts of chakra which again neither of them could do,showing Kaguya's raw power was far beyond these two.
Cause those are just abilities that she has mate they have nothing to do with Raw Stats just cause your a Planet Buster doesn't mean you can warp Planets as you see fit or AOE teleport people
Her merging with her dimensions was shown in ch 681 or something where she briefly merges with her one of her dimensions(Ice dimension) and entraps naruto and sasuke
She doesn't merge with her dimension what are talking about she just manipluates it thats not the same as merging
Wasn't that said to be kyuubis chakra??
He wants the Kyuubi's Chakra to remake the Shinju but the massive chakra he was referring to was Naruto in general not the 9 Tails
No neither of Naruto or sasuke comes close to kaguya,statwise kaguya dwarfs both of them
Naruto as a Teen blitzed her and overpowered her on 2 occasions and Kaguya out right states the duo she was prepping for was Momoshiki and Kinshiki which definitely means Fused Momoshiki > her and Sasuke agreed with the assessment, Naruto and Sasuke are both relative to him at half power meanings that scale above Kaguya now this has been reiterated in every medium
You can believe Prime Kaguya or whatever is the strongest in the verse but shes irrelevant for scaling the God Tiers its War Arc Kaguya that matters and its the one everyone referrs to when they make those stronger than Kaguya claims
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@notcensored
Was it said/showed that he crossed multiple dimensions so he needed piles for another one!? If not then it's an head canon
She never needed chakra from those people during dimensions hop it was during the end times of the fight where she needed shinju trapped people's chakra
Those abilities require monstorous amts of chakra, it was stated multiple times and even obito with Sakura supplying him with chakra said it requires immense amts of chakra to create portals and teleport people and obito could just create a boulder sized portal even if he's tiers above boulder level
Prime Kaguya having infinite chakra is of when she was merged with God tree and could continuously fight non stop for months against her sons tho she was mindless Also no this kaguya didn't merge with God tree, the God tree was in the earth when these people fought in different dimensions, I'm talking of prime kaguya who totally had became one with God tree and formed ten tails thus via having the full of God tree she gets access to all the world's nature energy which is immense
No it was blatantly stated she merged with the dimension and after entrapping them she materialized into her normal self
Kaguya was preparing for the whole family even if we say she was preparing for Momo and kin, she just saw them as threats as she thought they were going to take her chakra tree thus she created the zetsu army to guard the tree, she sees anyone who is after her God tree as a threat, which is why she sees both momo and kin as a threat. Who knows she might be even preparing for the whole clan and was scared of it.
(Off topic, but I think her decision of creating zetsu army is absolutely dumb and foolish, the jetsu army is absolutely fodder and could be easily wiped out by even kinsike,I knew she was dumb but not on this level)
Was it said/showed that he crossed multiple dimensions so he needed piles for another one!? If not then it's an head canon
She never needed chakra from those people during dimensions hop it was during the end times of the fight where she needed shinju trapped people's chakra
Those abilities require monstorous amts of chakra, it was stated multiple times and even obito with Sakura supplying him with chakra said it requires immense amts of chakra to create portals and teleport people and obito could just create a boulder sized portal even if he's tiers above boulder level
Prime Kaguya having infinite chakra is of when she was merged with God tree and could continuously fight non stop for months against her sons tho she was mindless Also no this kaguya didn't merge with God tree, the God tree was in the earth when these people fought in different dimensions, I'm talking of prime kaguya who totally had became one with God tree and formed ten tails thus via having the full of God tree she gets access to all the world's nature energy which is immense
No it was blatantly stated she merged with the dimension and after entrapping them she materialized into her normal self
Kaguya was preparing for the whole family even if we say she was preparing for Momo and kin, she just saw them as threats as she thought they were going to take her chakra tree thus she created the zetsu army to guard the tree, she sees anyone who is after her God tree as a threat, which is why she sees both momo and kin as a threat. Who knows she might be even preparing for the whole clan and was scared of it.
(Off topic, but I think her decision of creating zetsu army is absolutely dumb and foolish, the jetsu army is absolutely fodder and could be easily wiped out by even kinsike,I knew she was dumb but not on this level)
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Was it said/showed that he crossed multiple dimensions so he needed piles for another one!? If not then it's an head cano
He jumped from some unknown part of the universe after an unknown amount of time and ended up in Kaguya's Lava Dimension, then after another unknown amount of time past he was in Kaguya's Ice Dimension then after that he was on Earth we don't know how many Dimensions he jumped saying the statement makes him inferior to Kaguya is just based on an assumption with no real concrete basis
She never needed chakra from those people during dimensions hop it was during the end times of the fight where she needed shinju trapped people's chakra
She literally needed their Chakra because of the dimension hopping bro thats what weakened her in the first place cause it takes a lot of Chakra
Those abilities require monstorous amts of chakra,it was stated multiple times
OK and? There abilities that Jigen and Momoshiki don't possess so it doesn't matter so saying "They never showed it like Kaguya did" isn't an argument cause they can't do it based upon the limitation of not having the ability
and even obito with Sakura supplying him with chakra said it requires immense amts of chakra to create portals and teleport people
Yes and all it took was Sakura's Bakugou Seals Chakra to open multiple dimensional portals
and obito could just create a boulder sized portal even if he's tiers above boulder level
Kakashi states he can Kamui away the Ten Tails they aren't that limited by Kamui that being said you are right its much harder to Teleport something than it is to destroy it in Naruto
Prime Kaguya having infinite chakra is of when she was merged with God tree and could continuously fight non stop for months against her sons tho she was mindless
Filler only in the anime and thats not a direct confirmation of Infinite Chakra regardless
Also no this kaguya didn't merge with God tree, the God tree was in the earth when these people fought in different dimensions, I'm talking of prime kaguya who totally had became one with God tree
War Arc Kaguya has 90% of the God Tree absorbed and a nearly complete Ten Tails + Alive Madara she's basically at full power
and formed ten tails thus via having the full of God tree she gets access to all the world's nature energy which is immense
Which again isn't even relevant because this is about War Arc Kaguya and that Kaguya also had the God Tree absorbed and she still didn't dwarf the other God Tiers in power despite that amps its not literal Tiers beyond them
No it was blatantly stated she merged with the dimension and after entrapping them she materialized into her normal self
Thats blatantly not what happened she was in the Ice with them and TP'd out, then its stated she can manipluate her dimensions by Kakashi and she proves this by attacking Naruto with the terrain she doesn't literally merge with her dimensions in the traditional sense
Kaguya was preparing for the whole family even if we say she was preparing for Momo and kin,
She wasn't this is the height of head canon that isn't supported by any source in the series the novel and manga blatantly state the scroll was a warning for that specific pair
she just saw them as threats as she thought they were going to take her chakra tree thus she created the zetsu army to guard the tree,
No she created the Zetsu army cause she literally couldn't compete with the duo otherwise
she sees anyone who is after her God tree as a threat, which is why she sees both momo and kin as a threat.
Blatantly ignoring author intent now
Who knows she might be even preparing for the whole clan and was scared of it.
It isn't the whole clan its the first people in the clan that are going to come after her which she predicted was going to be Momoshiki and Kinshiki and she was right they were the ones that came after her
(Off topic, but I think her decision of creating zetsu army is absolutely dumb and foolish, the jetsu army is absolutely fodder and could be easily wiped out by even kinsike,I knew she was dumb but not on this level)
They're mostly like their as a distraction it doesn't really matter the whole point is that Kaguya herself thought she needed them, and if your going up against people who're definitely stronger than you in your head you'd obviously bring something along to help even if those people amount to fodder
He jumped from some unknown part of the universe after an unknown amount of time and ended up in Kaguya's Lava Dimension, then after another unknown amount of time past he was in Kaguya's Ice Dimension then after that he was on Earth we don't know how many Dimensions he jumped saying the statement makes him inferior to Kaguya is just based on an assumption with no real concrete basis
She never needed chakra from those people during dimensions hop it was during the end times of the fight where she needed shinju trapped people's chakra
She literally needed their Chakra because of the dimension hopping bro thats what weakened her in the first place cause it takes a lot of Chakra
Those abilities require monstorous amts of chakra,it was stated multiple times
OK and? There abilities that Jigen and Momoshiki don't possess so it doesn't matter so saying "They never showed it like Kaguya did" isn't an argument cause they can't do it based upon the limitation of not having the ability
and even obito with Sakura supplying him with chakra said it requires immense amts of chakra to create portals and teleport people
Yes and all it took was Sakura's Bakugou Seals Chakra to open multiple dimensional portals
and obito could just create a boulder sized portal even if he's tiers above boulder level
Kakashi states he can Kamui away the Ten Tails they aren't that limited by Kamui that being said you are right its much harder to Teleport something than it is to destroy it in Naruto
Prime Kaguya having infinite chakra is of when she was merged with God tree and could continuously fight non stop for months against her sons tho she was mindless
Filler only in the anime and thats not a direct confirmation of Infinite Chakra regardless
Also no this kaguya didn't merge with God tree, the God tree was in the earth when these people fought in different dimensions, I'm talking of prime kaguya who totally had became one with God tree
War Arc Kaguya has 90% of the God Tree absorbed and a nearly complete Ten Tails + Alive Madara she's basically at full power
and formed ten tails thus via having the full of God tree she gets access to all the world's nature energy which is immense
Which again isn't even relevant because this is about War Arc Kaguya and that Kaguya also had the God Tree absorbed and she still didn't dwarf the other God Tiers in power despite that amps its not literal Tiers beyond them
No it was blatantly stated she merged with the dimension and after entrapping them she materialized into her normal self
Thats blatantly not what happened she was in the Ice with them and TP'd out, then its stated she can manipluate her dimensions by Kakashi and she proves this by attacking Naruto with the terrain she doesn't literally merge with her dimensions in the traditional sense
Kaguya was preparing for the whole family even if we say she was preparing for Momo and kin,
She wasn't this is the height of head canon that isn't supported by any source in the series the novel and manga blatantly state the scroll was a warning for that specific pair
she just saw them as threats as she thought they were going to take her chakra tree thus she created the zetsu army to guard the tree,
No she created the Zetsu army cause she literally couldn't compete with the duo otherwise
she sees anyone who is after her God tree as a threat, which is why she sees both momo and kin as a threat.
Blatantly ignoring author intent now
Who knows she might be even preparing for the whole clan and was scared of it.
It isn't the whole clan its the first people in the clan that are going to come after her which she predicted was going to be Momoshiki and Kinshiki and she was right they were the ones that came after her
(Off topic, but I think her decision of creating zetsu army is absolutely dumb and foolish, the jetsu army is absolutely fodder and could be easily wiped out by even kinsike,I knew she was dumb but not on this level)
They're mostly like their as a distraction it doesn't really matter the whole point is that Kaguya herself thought she needed them, and if your going up against people who're definitely stronger than you in your head you'd obviously bring something along to help even if those people amount to fodder
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I guess we can't agree so better agree to disagree then But a few things I would like to point out 1. The anime kaguya backstory was handled by kishimoto and that part was canon 2. War arc kaguya lacked half of nine tails and a little of the other tailed beasts and had not absorbed the God tree as a whole it was still there on earth, where as prime kaguya basically had all chakra and totally merged with God tree and whole thus giving her infinite chakra due to the immense nature chakra present. There are many instances as well of Prime kaguya , she casually opened a planet wide portal to bring in the moon and cast IT on it, and we know how hard and taxing it was for obito and even war arc kaguya to open a boulder sized portal for a few times but prime kaguya before merging with whole God tree effortlessly opened a planet wide portal, her full might would be way beyond that.
I guess we can't agree so better agree to disagree then But a few things I would like to point out 1. The anime kaguya backstory was handled by kishimoto and that part was canon 2. War arc kaguya lacked half of nine tails and a little of the other tailed beasts and had not absorbed the God tree as a whole it was still there on earth, where as prime kaguya basically had all chakra and totally merged with God tree and whole thus giving her infinite chakra due to the immense nature chakra present. There are many instances as well of Prime kaguya , she casually opened a planet wide portal to bring in the moon and cast IT on it, and we know how hard and taxing it was for obito and even war arc kaguya to open a boulder sized portal for a few times but prime kaguya before merging with whole God tree effortlessly opened a planet wide portal, her full might would be way beyond that.
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