Naruto Power Scaling Clarification

[LordGriffin1000]

I wanted to get this out of the way since Naruto Upgrades are becoming a hot topic.

There seems to be some confusion about the scaling of Naruto characters. It appears that people Instantly assume the characters atomaticlly scale to their moves but that's not the case.

One example is the Third Raikage. He took Naruto's Rasinsuriken with no damage but his Hell Stab blow a hole clean through himself.

Also it's assumed that having more chakra than someone atomaticlly makes your AP and Durability Higher but that's not the case as Sasuke still manage to damage the Fourth Raikage even though he had Tailed Beast Level Chakra but Sasuke doesn't.

Kakashi is also inferior to even that of a version 2 Tailed Beast but with his Lightning Cable he cut their tails clean off but if they fired a tailed beast bomb he would have been obliterated and they all have much more chakra than him.

I'm not the only person who agreed with this, Gwynbleiddd also agree that they shouldn't scale and if I'm not mistaken other users agreed as well.

Now I've discussed this in the past and stated that they only possess this power with these moves but I was told that they do have feats and they where...

Kaguya is Planet with ETSB

Madara's multiple Planetary Devastations

Toneri splits the moon

Naruto and Sasuke Chibaku Tenshi

The Sage created the moon (Chibaku Tenshi)

Problem is this is exactly what I was referring to. They accomplish this with those moves and those alone. But this doesn't mean they can't tank other moves such as the Raikage tanking Naruto's Rasinsuriken, Naruto swatting the other Tailed Beast bombs away.

We can easily scale them to from characters who have tanked moves and then got hurt by a characters punch but if they haven't then we shouldn't.

Note I wanted this to be an open discussion so please don't derail or bash others and such.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

I disagree, ill give my explanation a bit later, got no power atm and my phone isnt exactly full

 

[DodoNova2]

Interesting, from my point of view:

• Kaguya Planetary ETSB that does not change anyone (apart from kaguya)

• Naruto and Sasuke Chibaku tensei is assigned to Rikudo who gave them some of their power but considered as special movement for Naruto and Sasuke (I'm not Sure)

• Multiple Chibaku tensei does not evolve anybody because Madara is supposed to be Small planet level (but maybe it will be debunk so IDK) (I would calculate the power of meteors can be)

• Toneri Split moon is a Naruto scale that countered his attack with one hand, it seems legit

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

okay my internet is super slow atm so please give me some time to explain.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

More Chakra= More potential for higher AP

ill get to that now

 

[AppleLord]

Those cases can usally be casted out as outliers or PIS. Having harm someone means you're as strong as your foe or the harm was caused by hax. I disagree with the thread. Character's should be upgraded by feats and powerscaling, not by Chakra = AP.

Example to this would be Naruto defeating Kurama, the tail beast had more chakra than Naruto and yet, lost to it.

 

[TheFinalOrder]

You're right to an extent. People solemnly forget Naruto Characters have stat amplification via chakra control. So, yes...their physical stats can scale to their Ninjutsu AP.

 

[Antvasima]

This is a sensitive topic that will easily get hundreds of replies within a few hours, so it seems better to make it staff only.

 

[AppleLord]

Good point, but power multiplier's aren't accepted in this wiki. If the author creates such, it means that is easy for them to graps a power level between characters. But unfortunately, here feats, calcs, power scaling, and acceptable statements go over stat amplification.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

having more chakra allow you to increase those said attacks if the character knows how, for example Naruto was able to turn his rasengan from 9-A to 8-C by simply increasing the amount of Chakra, same thing with the Ninja Allies, when Naruto supplemented them with chakra their AP increased dramatically to the point they could take out Juubi tentacle hands and what not, same thing near the end of the manga Kaguya was able to destroy the dimension by absorbing more chakra... so yeah more chakra= higher AP, even when Naruto borrowed Chakra from Kurama it not only increased his physical stats but his speed,strength and Durability, the same thing with Sakura when she awakens her seal and when Sasuke Absorbs the the Tailed beasts chakra to actually perform Indra's arrow, both of those characters tanked each others attacks.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

>_> welp now i need to go

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Sure that's the best idea? Pretty sure most of our staff experts in Naruto have left.

 

[TheFinalOrder]

That's not the best explanation.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

I was talking about Ant limiting it to staff.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

i cant finish >_> its staff only

 

[TheFinalOrder]

Damn it, I gotta work three 8 hour shifts this weekend starting today and travel travel about 10 hrs back and forth. This thread was bad timing and now it's Staff Only...ill be making a Blog explaining things that aren't addressed here next week. I can almost see that things aren't gonna go well as not many Naruto Experts are Mods.

 

[Antvasima]

@The real cal howard

Okay. Never mind then. I will move it back to regular discussion.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Thanks.

 

[Antvasima]

No problem.

 

[7th_Ki'oon]

I know, I'm not staff, but I have made good contributions, with my thor and justice league, discussion threads.

So I'll say this, I made a similar point, a couple of months ago, this thread is stick'ed and naruto needs an agreed upon baseline for its classes. EG jonin are transonic with town level ap/dur and Kage are Island level and MHS, it would make the scaling less erratic and singular. Because most of the upgrade scaling is coming from the ninja War, that kept jumping tiers every time madara did anything.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

It seems you guys missed the point...

I said having higher chakra doesn't mean you're atomaticlly more powerful then someone with less.

They must put that amount of chakra into said move. I'm saying just because they have it in their bodies doesn't mean they can tank those attacks.

Example: Kabuto easily beat Naruto but when he used the Rasengan... He nearly killed him. Yet he couldn't easily out power him with his bare hands.

 

[KinkiestSins]

It seems you guys missed the point...

I said having higher chakra doesn't mean you're atomaticlly more powerful then someone with less.

They must put that amount of chakra into said move. I'm saying just because they have it in their bodies doesn't mean they can tank those attacks.

Example: Kabuto easily beat Naruto but when he used the Rasengan... He nearly killed him. Yet he couldn't easily out power him with his bare hands.

Well you're not wrong. I always thought Naruto exploited the whole glass cannon thing in fiction the most. What do you purpose in the first place or is this just a regular discussion?

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

They can choose to either use the chakra to amplify their physical stats,or create defensive or offensive attacks, as easy as that, they have the chakra it just depends on what they use it for.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

@Griffin , Yes someone stating that that they have a certain amount of chakra doesnt mean much unless specifically shown.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

if a character is capable of outputting the attack unless shown otherwise it likely that they can tank it via chakra control.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

meaning they have to put a conscious effort into where they use their chakra

 

[LordGriffin1000]

Also do you legitimately believe if Edo Madara stood directly under the meteor he brought down he could tank it?.

It's like scaling Hashirama to his wood, he used the Rashomon Walls to block a Tailed Beast Bomb and his Wood Golem to battle Madara's Susanoo.

Just because he has the Chakra to summon and create said things doesn't mean he scales to them.

If we scaled like this almost everyone would have Tailed Beast Level because they are affecting people (with their moves) even though they don't have that amount.

Another example

Kakashi used the Lightning Blade to finish Zabuza... But he he scaled to his move then why didn't he just use his bare hand instead off taking the time to charge LB.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

well isnt that the equivalent of saying, why do dragonball characters use Ki attacks when they can do the same amount of damage with their fist

 

[AppleLord]

What about this canon fact:

Edo's have Infinite Chakra. Can they create an attack as big and powerful as Infinity?

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

like i said, it depends on the person's chakra control, this explicitly stated in the manga itself.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

I never said that having more chakra means higher AP, but in Naruto even this has shown to be true

 

[AppleLord]

Why didn't Madara spammed Meteor's for days? He could had easily kill everyone if that was the case. Don't say Madara has no chakra control,

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

ill Quote " Because chakra takes time and a great deal of training to gradually build up, the key to its use is not actually having large amounts of chakra 'but 'instead being able to sufficiently control and conserve it

 

[AppleLord]

So Madara couldn't do it?

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

Having More Chakra does help aswell as noted above, how many characters increase their AP by simply increasing their Chakra?, how do you explain that then?

 

[AppleLord]

That means Edo's have Infinite Power.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

Means they can spam their strongest attacks with out getting fatigued

 

[AppleLord]

But their chakra is Infinite, putting in Infinity Chakra into one attack means Infinite Power. Of course, no one in Naruto have that knoweldge. I prefer not to derail the thread go on. I was just verifying for research.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

I chalked that up to inconsistent writing from Kishi

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

Dont get me wrong Griffin brings up alot of good points but there are other instances that contradict this aswell