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I find that type of stacking to be iffy. If a gun had a calculated MZ of 754m/s, is it calc stacking to evaluate Character A's bullet dodging feat? Yes the gun's speed is constant, but that's the case for this scene.
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Naruto Characters Upgrade
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@Ryop
I was reading the article of Calc Stacking again and does not mention anything concrete about that you can't use a calculation that happens at the same time to obtain a parallel feat. It is undeniable that Nagato must move faster than the Rasen Shuriken to avoid him 20 centimeters from his body. But what doesn't calc stacking is that both exploits are connected, we calculate the speed of the RS as a result of Nagato having dodged it and remain in the air and Nagato wouldn't have achieved that if it had not moved at the right speed to do so.
Calc Stacking would be that we would take the result of Nagato's speed and calculate based on that if another character dodges a hit or similar, so I could read in the article that is what is considered as calc stacking. In the same way calc stacking would be to calculate feats to all those who have avoided a Rasen Shuriken at some point, not in this case.
I was reading the article of Calc Stacking again and does not mention anything concrete about that you can't use a calculation that happens at the same time to obtain a parallel feat. It is undeniable that Nagato must move faster than the Rasen Shuriken to avoid him 20 centimeters from his body. But what doesn't calc stacking is that both exploits are connected, we calculate the speed of the RS as a result of Nagato having dodged it and remain in the air and Nagato wouldn't have achieved that if it had not moved at the right speed to do so.
Calc Stacking would be that we would take the result of Nagato's speed and calculate based on that if another character dodges a hit or similar, so I could read in the article that is what is considered as calc stacking. In the same way calc stacking would be to calculate feats to all those who have avoided a Rasen Shuriken at some point, not in this case.
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If the speed of the Rasenshuriken that Nagato dodged isnt the same Rasenshuriken that yielded the speed feat in question, you cannot use it and it would be calc stacking.
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Are we not talking about Pain dodging the RS?
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@WeeklyBattles
It is the same, on the basis that Nagato will dodge it is that the speed of said Rasen Shuriken is calculated. http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-NgRotjPMJ...SnjGEb2vTkxKVV5cf7rf1ACHM/s16000/0442-009.png Nagato dodges it and then the Rasen Shuriken walks the crater.
@Unite My Rice
Of course, Nagato = Deva Path, only it makes me more comfortable to tell Nagato because in the end it is. I will tell Tendou to avoid confusion better.
It is the same, on the basis that Nagato will dodge it is that the speed of said Rasen Shuriken is calculated. http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-NgRotjPMJ...SnjGEb2vTkxKVV5cf7rf1ACHM/s16000/0442-009.png Nagato dodges it and then the Rasen Shuriken walks the crater.
@Unite My Rice
Of course, Nagato = Deva Path, only it makes me more comfortable to tell Nagato because in the end it is. I will tell Tendou to avoid confusion better.
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@ALRF
Again, both calculations are connected and depend on the other. In the page of calc stacking doesn't mention anything about something like this, I think it is already want to disable the calculation in a gimmicky way, since now it is calc stacking and during the years it was in the profile of the character not. If the group of calculations accept it, it is because they understood in the same way that it is not calc stacking if it is the same element that is taken in question.
Again, both calculations are connected and depend on the other. In the page of calc stacking doesn't mention anything about something like this, I think it is already want to disable the calculation in a gimmicky way, since now it is calc stacking and during the years it was in the profile of the character not. If the group of calculations accept it, it is because they understood in the same way that it is not calc stacking if it is the same element that is taken in question.
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@Dariel No, this is pretty blatantly calc stacking
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I still don't understand how it became calc stacking now and it was not in the past when you accepted it. Please mention me that it isn't supposed to be calc stacking when we talk about topics like these, the term is so diffuse that it is incomprehensible when it is and when it is not. Also, tell me what is supposed to happen here, Are they going to say that Tendou has the same speed as the RS when he needs to be much faster than him to avoid it?
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If you were never part of the calculation group it is obvious that you could never accept it, no?
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@Antvasima
Still need to correct part of the calculation and discuss the acceptance or not of the update of attack potency (after the revision is over) of the characters, what is the hurry or need to close the thread without letting them develop properly?
@ALRF
When I mention that it was accepted, I say that the staff of this site accepted it and gave their approval to be included in the profiles, as I understand normal users can not decide on that.
Still need to correct part of the calculation and discuss the acceptance or not of the update of attack potency (after the revision is over) of the characters, what is the hurry or need to close the thread without letting them develop properly?
@ALRF
When I mention that it was accepted, I say that the staff of this site accepted it and gave their approval to be included in the profiles, as I understand normal users can not decide on that.
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he said thisALRF said:
If the speed of the Rasenshuriken that Nagato dodged isnt the same Rasenshuriken that yielded the speed feat in question, you cannot use it and it would be calc stacking.
r u and Weekly having misunderstanding with name?
if so it Deva not nagato
Deva doged said calc Mach 796 RS to' get Mach 12981 speed
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>When I mention that it was accepted, I say that the staff of this site accepted it and gave their approval to be included in the profiles, as I understand normal users can not decide on that.
Then you understand wrong, normal users can interfere in calcs.
@Omimi
That's the problem dude, using the speed of the Rasenshuriken from another calc and inserting it here is blatant calc stacking
Then you understand wrong, normal users can interfere in calcs.
@Omimi
That's the problem dude, using the speed of the Rasenshuriken from another calc and inserting it here is blatant calc stacking
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Regular members can comment on a calc, but what they say (unless mathematically valid) doesn't influence whether or not a calc gets accepted.
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@Unite
It doesn't always have to do with math. If someone points out that a calc is lacking context or if it uses something that isn't implied in the narrative (i.e. saying that it was atomization when it was merely vaporization) it can influence the acceptance of a calc.
Calc Members get the first word, but that doesn't mean that other members can't deny the results of the calc if its premise is flawed in the first place.
It doesn't always have to do with math. If someone points out that a calc is lacking context or if it uses something that isn't implied in the narrative (i.e. saying that it was atomization when it was merely vaporization) it can influence the acceptance of a calc.
Calc Members get the first word, but that doesn't mean that other members can't deny the results of the calc if its premise is flawed in the first place.
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k i will try 1 more timeALRF said:
Deva doged naruto Rasenshurike .............correct
if we want to find out how fast Deva was then we have to find out the speed of Rasenshuriken that Deva doged ...........right
so Dariel Senju find out the speed of speed of Rasenshurike that deva doged and its Mach 796
so now we know speed of Rasenshuriken that Deva doged was Mach 796
now we need to find out how much speed Deva' needed to avoid Mach 796 'Rasenshurike
and that was Mach 12981
so this is how he find out Deva speed and i dont see how this calc stacking
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I disagree with these upgrades as well.
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@Dariel
It's best for you to post any corrections you want to make in a separate blog. This thread looks like it's going to be closed.
It's best for you to post any corrections you want to make in a separate blog. This thread looks like it's going to be closed.
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Burning Full Fingers said:
Thank you very much for the recommendation, I think I will leave aside the speed of Deva equally.
Although I would like to know before, those who do not agree with the updates which is the reason, reason and argument they have for it.
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Rinnegan Sasuke destroying Madara's CT got him about Mach 3k.
This could would be saying Pain is over 3x faster than a Sasuke that would one shot and blitz him.
This could would be saying Pain is over 3x faster than a Sasuke that would one shot and blitz him.
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Ok let's leave the issue of the speed of Pain aside, I think I will leave out the question is part has too many weak points.
On the subject of attack potency nobody has arguments against?
On the subject of attack potency nobody has arguments against?
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@Unite
I don't think so. Let's say Gwyn actually calculated the feat to be Mach 7000 instead of Mach 380 in the first place, they would all scale from it and the Six Paths guys would probably be Sub-Relativistic based on being >>>>>>> the rest.
@Dariel
For the attack potency, Piercer of Heaven already suggested a way to go about Itachi, Bee and Naruto's feat in Meosos' blog for the revisions.
The only person that could probably scale directly from this calculation is Eight Tailed Naruto and those comparable to, or above him.
I don't think so. Let's say Gwyn actually calculated the feat to be Mach 7000 instead of Mach 380 in the first place, they would all scale from it and the Six Paths guys would probably be Sub-Relativistic based on being >>>>>>> the rest.
@Dariel
For the attack potency, Piercer of Heaven already suggested a way to go about Itachi, Bee and Naruto's feat in Meosos' blog for the revisions.
The only person that could probably scale directly from this calculation is Eight Tailed Naruto and those comparable to, or above him.
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Everybody would scale from it.
Then you have the 30+ calcs showing speeds not even half of that and it becomes an outlier anyway.
Then you have the 30+ calcs showing speeds not even half of that and it becomes an outlier anyway.
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