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Naoya Zenin vs Satoru Gojo

Even before his ability became passive, he could maintain it for quite a bit at a time

A freshly awakened Gojo can probably take him out with a Red or two
 
Arkenis said:
Post awakening has constant infinity on and has anti domain techs. He stomps. Make it pre awakening
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Well, Simple Domain and Falling Blossom Emotion won't be as useful in this situation. Simple Domain is still inferior to a full domain and can only keep him protected from Naoya's domain for so long before it's destroyed. Falling Blossom Emotion can protect against Naoya's cursed technique, but it does nothing against physical attacks, and with Naoya's abilities, he could just build up speed and ram Gojo before he can properly react while he's busy maintaining Falling Blossom Emotion. And Infinity won't be active inside of Naoya's domain.
 
CiscoTheSoto said:
Naoya Zenin vs Satoru Gojo
  • Battle location: Shinjuku
  • Both in-character
  • Cursed Spirit Naoya and Hidden Inventory Arc Post-Awakening Gojo are used. Naoya starts in his evolved state.
Naoya Stands Alongside Toji:

Gojo Remains the Honored One:

Toji kills them both while they're distracted:
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Uh.
Post awakening gojo straight up blitzes to a statue level degree against Toji.
This Naoya won't even register anything before getting one shotted 😭
If it is Pre awakening then he's got a better chance. But gojo's got Falling Blossom Emotion and SD. His output should be high enough to resist for a while against the sure hit and take out Naoya with a good blue and maximum output blue no issue.
On the chance he loses this. Gojo Awakens anyways. We see Higuruma achieve rct in some moments later after being severely injured, which gojo can do as well. He can stay alive for a while, awaken and then blitz.

Pre RCT Gojo whilst Hyper fatigued scales to Toji in speed with no issue as we see in the manga. Toji was also regarded as "nuisance/troublesome" opponent in a Volume Summary against that Gojo too, implying a level of relativity in stats when you take in the context of the fight.


So uh, yeah. Idk what else to say. Cursed Naoya has no change if it is rct gojo. Against Pre RCT he has better chance but he's not gonna succeed in killing gojo before he gains awakening from the injuries he'll accumulate up to the severely injured territory (near death).
And that's under the assumption Naoya even can do this, which is tough luck because Gojo scales quite above him in stats even if it is pre rct.
 
CiscoTheSoto said:
Well, Simple Domain and Falling Blossom Emotion won't be as useful in this situation. Simple Domain is still inferior to a full domain and can only keep him protected from Naoya's domain for so long before it's destroyed.
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No? We've only seen and been told barrier-less domains destroys simple domains, Naoya's domain a standard complete domain, there's nothing else to it that would destroy Gojo's simple domain here. Also Gojo only needs a couple of seconds to beat on Naoya before it goes out, he's not Sukuna I don't see why he'd be able to maintain it with all the damage he'll receive, especially from Post awakening Gojo.

CiscoTheSoto said:
Falling Blossom Emotion can protect against Naoya's cursed technique, but it does nothing against physical attacks, and with Naoya's abilities, he could just build up speed and ram Gojo before he can properly react while he's busy maintaining Falling Blossom Emotion. And Infinity won't be active inside of Naoya's domain.
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What are you saying? Gojo only needs fbe if he's in domain, Naoya doesn't move in domain so I'm assuming you're talking about outside domain, outside Naoya can't ram him at all.
 
TCMP affects Gojo on a cellular level so I doubt he would use FBE

Arkenis said:
No? We've only seen and been told barrier-less domains destroys simple domains, Naoya's domain a standard complete domain, there's nothing else to it that would destroy Gojo's simple domain here. Also Gojo only needs a couple of seconds to beat on Naoya before it goes out, he's not Sukuna I don't see why he'd be able to maintain it with all the damage he'll receive, especially from Post awakening Gojo.
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It is stated a simple domain only buys time, although against a freshly awakened domain with presumably simple refinement, it'll certainly last much longer
 
CiscoTheSoto said:
Well, Simple Domain and Falling Blossom Emotion won't be as useful in this situation. Simple Domain is still inferior to a full domain and can only keep him protected from Naoya's domain for so long before it's destroyed.
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Yes but Gojo's own output is really high to begin with. Far higher than Naoya's own. It'll last long enough for gojo to pull him in, and wear him down to where he can then one shot him with maximum output blue. Naoya is quite slow against Gojo, based on the fact that Maki even near blitzes him when they're directly facing eachother and he couldn't do anything to get away or protect himself against her swing.
CiscoTheSoto said:
he could just build up speed and ram Gojo before he can properly react while he's busy maintaining Falling Blossom Emotion. And Infinity won't be active inside of Naoya's domain.
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But he can't ram gojo tho. His only way of bypassing Gojo's infinity is through SD, or sure hit effect. But he can't ram in either of these.
 
Arkenis said:
No? We've only seen and been told barrier-less domains destroys simple domains, Naoya's domain a standard complete domain, there's nothing else to it that would destroy Gojo's simple domain here.
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Honestly I don't remember that. But shrug.
I can only say that Gojo's output is strong enough to last him for quite a while, enough to take Naoya out.
 
Arkenis said:
What fight was this?
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Chapter 226, right after Gojo uses simple domain

Either way, Gojo's output is high enough that his simple domain would likely last against a freshly awakened domain

All of that considered, one Red and Naoya will be in a tight spot. I don't think it'll take much for Gojo to kill him what with his own strength and speed advantage
 
TheGunsFinalWrath said:
Uh.
Post awakening gojo straight up blitzes to a statue level degree against Toji.
This Naoya won't even register anything before getting one shotted 😭
If it is Pre awakening then he's got a better chance. But gojo's got Falling Blossom Emotion and SD. His output should be high enough to resist for a while against the sure hit and take out Naoya with a good blue and maximum output blue no issue.
On the chance he loses this. Gojo Awakens anyways. We see Higuruma achieve rct in some moments later after being severely injured, which gojo can do as well. He can stay alive for a while, awaken and then blitz.

Pre RCT Gojo whilst Hyper fatigued scales to Toji in speed with no issue as we see in the manga. Toji was also regarded as "nuisance/troublesome" opponent in a Volume Summary against that Gojo too, implying a level of relativity in stats when you take in the context of the fight.


So uh, yeah. Idk what else to say. Cursed Naoya has no change if it is rct gojo. Against Pre RCT he has better chance but he's not gonna succeed in killing gojo before he gains awakening from the injuries he'll accumulate up to the severely injured territory (near death).
And that's under the assumption Naoya even can do this, which is tough luck because Gojo scales quite above him in stats even if it is pre rct.
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I’m going based off of the profiles, where Naoya shows superior speed and similar AP to Gojo. You can say that it’s BS and that Gojo still scales far above Cursed Spirit Naoya, but for the sake of this thread, we’re following the VS battle pages, and the pages show that Cursed Spirit Naoya and Hidden Inventory arc Gojo have similar AP and that Naota scales above Gojo in speed.
 
Sir_Marvulous said:
Chapter 226, right after Gojo uses simple domain
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Okay this point is really irrelevant but the statements by Choso, when has dude ever seen a domain?? And furthermore the context is about Sukuna's barrier-less domain. My point is barrier-less domains destroy simple domain like we see, a regular complete domain just won't do the same here.
 
CiscoTheSoto said:
I’m going based off of the profiles, where Naoya shows superior speed and similar AP to Gojo. You can say that it’s BS and that Gojo still scales far above Cursed Spirit Naoya, but for the sake of this thread, we’re following the VS battle pages, and the pages show that Cursed Spirit Naoya and Hidden Inventory arc Gojo have similar AP and that Naota scales above Gojo in speed.
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Damn that sucks then.
 
CiscoTheSoto said:
I’m going based off of the profiles, where Naoya shows superior speed and similar AP to Gojo. You can say that it’s BS and that Gojo still scales far above Cursed Spirit Naoya, but for the sake of this thread, we’re following the VS battle pages, and the pages show that Cursed Spirit Naoya and Hidden Inventory arc Gojo have similar AP and that Naota scales above Gojo in speed.
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Bruh what? It's Gojo, he has enhanced senses, He's sub+, Naoya's transonic and supersonic+ with build up meaning his superior speed doesn't matter, he's not blitzing Gojo here.
 
Well off of the current profiles, it is true that Gojo's scaling massively above subsonic+, so Naoya's speed only matters with build-up

That being said, the profiles could really use a bit of updating

Someone should really calculate Maki's feat against Naoya
 
Alright, I updated the conditions so that speed is equalized, and if the speed is changed for the characters, we won't have to redo this entire fight.

Anyway, in regards to the domain arguments, it was explicitly stated in Chapter 206 by Yuki that simple domains can only hope to buy time against a regular domain; it was never stated that simple domains can only be destroyed by barrier-less domains. Chapter 226 further supports this with Choso‘s statements, and considering he’d already developed a simple domain, he’s a credible source.

There’s no proof that Naoya can’t move or build up speed inside his domain. The only reason he didn’t move against his opponents when he first activated his domain is that he was confident he’d already won and felt no need to try and counterattack. Naoya already knows what Gojo is capable of and would try to finish him quickly by ramming him. Even for Gojo, maintaining a simple domain while having to keep track of Naoya’s movements sounds difficult. Naoya’s stats would also be buffed inside his domain, which would give his attacks a greater edge. And Infinity wouldn’t protect Gojo inside the domain, so he’d be more vulnerable to attacks.
 
CiscoTheSoto said:
Anyway, in regards to the domain arguments, it was explicitly stated in Chapter 206 by Yuki that simple domains can only hope to buy time against a regular domain; it was never stated that simple domains can only be destroyed by barrier-less domains. Chapter 226 further supports this with Choso‘s statements, and considering he’d already developed a simple domain, he’s a credible source.
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The thing is, it depends how powerful the domain is. Sukuna and Kenjaku are the domains we see strip away sd fast, Naoya's domain is not to their refinement in any way and its completely unknown how good it is. It's also Gojo here, he'd have a good sd as we know he's a genius at learning and we see people like Yuji and Choso who just recently learned sd last nearly two minutes in Sukuna's.

CiscoTheSoto said:
Even for Gojo, maintaining a simple domain while having to keep track of Naoya’s movements sounds difficult. Naoya’s stats would also be buffed inside his domain, which would give his attacks a greater edge. And Infinity wouldn’t protect Gojo inside the domain, so he’d be more vulnerable to attacks.
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How is that difficult? Gojo while fatigued scaled to Toji and in post awakening was too fast for Toji. Naoya's max speed is something Toji could handle btw, Gojo would do so too.
 
Arkenis said:
vsbattles.fandom.com

Maki dodges Naoya

vsbattles.fandom.com vsbattles.fandom.com
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Well there’s a few things off, namely the distance between Naoya and Maki. The calc is just using a normal line for it which shouldn’t be the case since that’s assuming Maki and Naoya are similar distances from the POV which they aren’t (and also implying Naoya’s forehead is larger than Maki’s entire body), Naoya is right next to it while Maki is further away. Angsizing would have to be used and when I did it previously it gave like 5 m as the distance or something I don’t remember exactly and the speed was only around subsonic
 
AbaddonTheDisappointment said:
Well there’s a few things off, namely the distance between Naoya and Maki. The calc is just using a normal line for it which shouldn’t be the case since that’s assuming Maki and Naoya are similar distances from the POV which they aren’t (and also implying Naoya’s forehead is larger than Maki’s entire body), Naoya is right next to it while Maki is further away. Angsizing would have to be used and when I did it previously it gave like 5 m as the distance or something I don’t remember exactly and the speed was only around subsonic
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Surprised no one has calced Maki's epic flip yet
 
Apotheosis69 said:
Maki fully-Realized Heavenly Restriction is able to dodge Naoya's full Mach 3 speed right? Or am I tweaking
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you are correct

Maki blitzed Naoya so badly that even while moving at top speed at all times, Maki was able to dodge everything, even while she was midair, despite her lack of flight or any sort of air mobility

the issue is that speed is equalized so none of this matters
 
My take on this fight is:

Gojo is definitely capable of causing massive damage to Naoya, considering he's far weaker than Maki who's equalto Toji who's already weaker than Gojo. Any hit with Red tears a hole in Naoya.

However, ASSUMING HE DOESN'T DIE FROM THIS (since idk how Naoya's physiology works), Naoya opens his domain and Gojo is screwed. His Reverse Cursed Technique isn't as powerful as it was when he was alive, and Naoya's 24FPS rule affects all of his cells simultaneously, displacing all of them within his body to such an extent that merely moving seems to cause your limbs to fall off.

So tldr, if Gojo can kill him before he opens Domain, he wins. Otherwise, Naoya might win
 
Apotheosis69 said:
Red is certainly enough to cause Seveeere damage to Naoya, if not kill honestly.

Teen Gojo has Falling Blossom Emotion which is an Anti-Domain Technique, and he def has enough reactions with the Six Eyes to pop it before Naoya's guaranteed hit works.
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Falling Blossom Emotion works by reducing the damage taken from attacks by instinctively countering with your own cursed energy

Naoya's domain isn't an attack, it's a status effect. Unless you're arguing that Falling Blossom Emotion would just say no to that completely since it's a projectile, but I highly doubt it would block it entirely since the instant it makes contact, you have to abide by the fps rule
 
It functions exactly by the guaranteed-hit rule of a Domain. If you want to argue that, then Gojo's Information Manipulation would bypass a Domain Clash, since it isn't "an attack" which obv didn't happen.

Gojo's Falling Blossom Emotion only reduces damage from Sukuna's Domain, due to the latter's insane energy output.

Naobito's Falling Blossom Emotion completely negated Dagon's Domain.


Either way, Gojo easily takes this.
 
Apotheosis69 said:
It functions exactly by the guaranteed-hit rule of a Domain. If you want to argue that, then Gojo's Information Manipulation would bypass a Domain Clash, since it isn't "an attack" which obv didn't happen.
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huh? So you're saying Gojo's Six Eyes would bypass a Domain Clash?
what do you mean by that?
I'm not arguing against you, I'm just confused by what you mean
Apotheosis69 said:
Gojo's Falling Blossom Emotion only reduces damage from Sukuna's Domain, due to the latter's insane energy output.

Naobito's Falling Blossom Emotion completely negated Dagon's Domain.
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Falling Blossom Emotion is meant to use your own cursed energy to counter an attack coming in with equal force
but Naobito's domain isn't exactly hitting you with a force, it's a status effect that just makes you abide by the 24FPS rule. It's not an attack that deals damage.
Heck, even Kusakabe mentions that it's useless against a more complicated cursed technique effect like Unlimited Void, which is similar to Time Cell Moon Palace in the sense that it doesn't do any physical damage by itself.
 
Mickey1940 said:
huh? So you're saying Gojo's Six Eyes would bypass a Domain Clash?
what do you mean by that?
I'm not arguing against you, I'm just confused by what you mean

Falling Blossom Emotion is meant to use your own cursed energy to counter an attack coming in with equal force
but Naobito's domain isn't exactly hitting you with a force, it's a status effect that just makes you abide by the 24FPS rule. It's not an attack that deals damage.
Heck, even Kusakabe mentions that it's useless against a more complicated cursed technique effect like Unlimited Void, which is similar to Time Cell Moon Palace in the sense that it doesn't do any physical damage by itself.
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Naoya's domain sends a reel into the person so FB would target that, and FB just repels anything that touches it. There's nothing complicated about that.
 
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