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Mythical Zeus Revision?

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So i've been combing around the internet and i think i have found evidence for powers we skimmed over in the creation of Myth Zeus's page. I've written down some powers here while also linking to a thread where most of these were found Source

Firstly it appears Zeus has some level of fire manipulation as stated in the following quote


"...the Immortals all around fierce battling with the Titanes fought for Zeus. Already were their foes enwrapped with flame, for thick and fast as snowflakes pured from heaven the thunderbolts: the might of Zeus was roused and burning Gigantes seemed to breath out flames."- Quintus Smyrnaeus, Fall Of Troy

He also seems to be able to command fire's total binary as well; water, now this could arguably just be weather manip but still it's good to make note of.

"Raincloud Zeus brought the waters up in mountainous seas on high and flooded all cities, how Notos and Boreas, Euros and Libos in turn lashed Deukalion's wandering hutch, lifted it castaway on waves in the air, and left it harbourless near the moon."-Nonna Dionyscia

He also seems to be able to grant power to lesser individuals: he grants one the gift of prephecy and he grants Hecate the power over Sea, Land and Heaven as well as assigning the other Gods their dominions. It is also implied he can Nullify one's powers because of this.

"The son of Kronos (Zeus) did her no wrong nor took anything away of all that was her portion among the former Titan gods: but she holds as the division, as was at the first from the beginning, privilage both in earth, and in heaven and in sea."- Hesiod the Theogony


Zeus was able to heal from Hepheasteus cleaving open his head with an axe and Athena's birth, a high low regen feat. This is disregarding statements claiming that Zeus' body is just a shell and his true form is a storm of Thunder and Lightning (a High to possibly Low-Godly level of regen) Immortality in Greek Mythology can be a complex matter as in certain versions not even Gods of greater power can kill a God

Zeus is also in some variants of Greek Mythology stated to have created multiple generations of humans, this being an example of Life Manipulation,

Additionally Zeus should be a baseline 4-B rather then a likely 4-B the reasoning for this is he is stated to have the power to shake or even destroy the Ancient Greek universe on multiple occasions. Considering the Ancient Greek universe is only Solar System level in size this is a solid 4-B feat as backed up by the following quote.

"And now his Thunder Bolts would Jove wide scatter, but he feared the flames, unencumbered, sacred either might ignite and burn the axle of the universe: And he remembered in the scroll of fate, there is a time appointed when the sea and the earth and the heavens shall melt and fire destroy the universe of mighty labour wrought"- Ovid Metamorphoses

Orphic Zeus is also on multiple occasions stated to be the originator of all granting him Abstract Existence and potentially concept manip though this can be discarded if desired.


I hope that with this in mind we can perhaps consider a revision of the powers and abilities Zeus has.
 
While we're here, can we specify he has Mid regen from healing after Hephaestus cleaved open his head with an axe and Athena was born?
 
Monarch Laciel said:
While we're here, can we specify he has Mid regen from healing after Hephaestus cleaved open his head with an axe and Athena was born?

Hmm I'll add that to the list of powers we should consider adding cheers for the heads up.
 
You can ask Matthew Schroeder to comment here for an evaluation.
 
Healing from having your skull cracked open isn't Mid-Regen. Mid-Regen is recovering from decapitation by growing a new head. High-Low at best.

The fire thing sounds more like the lightning setting them ablaze, but I'm not sure.

Hecate is the goddess of magic. She doesn't have dominion over the sea, land, and heaven.
 
Reppuzan said:
Healing from having your skull cracked open isn't Mid-Regen. Mid-Regen is recovering from decapitation by growing a new head. High-Low at best.
The fire thing sounds more like the lightning setting them ablaze, but I'm not sure.

Hecate is the goddess of magic. She doesn't have dominion over the sea, land, and heaven.
I abologise for the mid regen feat, i'll edit it to High-Low soon.

As for the second point in the link there are several examples of Zeus commanding fire notably him raining fire upon the Titans i believe "On the presumtious Titanes he (Zeus) poured down fire from Heaven: then burned all earth beneath, an Okeanos' world-engurgling flood boiled from it's depths, yea, to it's utmost bounds: far flowing mighty rivers were dried up: perished all broods of life sustaining earth, all fosterlings of the boundless sea, and all dwellers in rivers: snoke and ashes veiled the air; earth feinted in the fervent heat"

As for the last point yes Hecate is indeed Goddess of magic but she seems to in some versions have been granted the powers of land sea and heaven.
 
@Hellbeast

Can I ask where these passages came from? The Hecate part definitely isn't showing up.
 
Reppuzan said:
@Hellbeast
Can I ask where these passages came from? The Hecate part definitely isn't showing up.

The Theogony by Hesiod I'll come back with the actual part

@Matthew Yeah i feel the mythology profiles do need some revisions here and there, Zeus especially considering the powers he dosen't have on the profile.
 
What do you wish to revise?
 
Antvasima said:
What do you wish to revise?

Well i feel Zeus should be 4-B(stated on multiple occasions to be able to destroy the universe which is the size of the solar system and he already is 4-B) and have the following powers added: Fire Manipulation, Water Manipulation, Powergranting, High Low regen, Shapeshifting and Size Manipulation made separate powers befitting their nature as separate powers, possible life manipulation (Zeus was stated in some versions to have created several generations of men) As for Orphic Zeus i'd link Cosmic Devouring to Absorption and maybe give him concept manip (the dodgiest power on this list dosen't really need to be added but i'd ask Mr Schroeder about it) sorry if it seems quite overextensive
 
I was asking Matthew. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
 
Reppuzan said:
Healing from having your skull cracked open isn't Mid-Regen. Mid-Regen is recovering from decapitation by growing a new head. High-Low at best.
The fire thing sounds more like the lightning setting them ablaze, but I'm not sure.

Hecate is the goddess of magic. She doesn't have dominion over the sea, land, and heaven.
I have to disagree here. Lots of characters on the wiki have Mid-regen from just reattaching the head or healing from being shot in the head.

And it wasn't just a cracked skull. According to some myths, Hepheastus completely cleaved open his head with an axe, and Athena jumped out of his head fully grown. That sounds like it would need Mid to heal to me.
 
I plan on revising practically everything, honestly.

The Mugen Souls revisions were concluded and I'll be working my way through the DBZ Speeds. After that, I'll probably do it.
 
@Monarch

Those profiles are incorrect. Recovering from bullet wounds is definitely below Low-Mid since they don't remove the head from the body.

In addition, cleaving one's head in half is not equal to decapitation in any way since the rest of the head is still intact and connected to the body.
 
Well, it's because of the myth of Semele, really. Zeus' physical body is just a shell and his true form is literally made of thunderbolt and lightning. Or something.
 
Reppuzan said:
Hecate is the goddess of magic. She doesn't have dominion over the sea, land, and heaven.
By the way, she has:


Hesiod, Theogony 404 ff (trans. Evelyn-White) (Greek epic C8th or C7th B.C.) :
"Hekate whom Zeus the son of Kronos (Cronus) honoured above all. He gave her splendid gifts, to have a share of the earth and the unfruitful sea. She received honour also in starry heaven, and is honoured exceedingly by the deathless gods . . . For as many as were born of Gaia (Gaea, Earth) and Ouranos (Uranus, Heaven) [the Titanes] amongst all these she has her due portion. The son of Kronos [Zeus] did her no wrong nor took anything away of all that was her portion among the former Titan gods: but she holds, as the division was at the first from the beginning, privilege both in earth, and in heaven, and in sea. Also, because she is an only child, the goddess receives not less honour, but much more still, for Zeus honours her."
 
@Matt

Well, I can't argue with Hesiod.

What would this change exactly about her again?
 
@Matt So the revisions for the mythical prifles will come after the DBZ and GOW ones? If so i eagerly await your conclusions as you seem more knowlegeable then me on this.
 
Hesiod was under the impression that the Universe was Multi-Solar System sized. Aristarcus of Samus was the first heliocentrist in history and even he thought the Sun was only seven or eight times bigger than Earth.
 
Kepekley23 said:
Hesiod was under the impression that the Universe was Multi-Solar System sized. Aristarcus of Samus was the first heliocentrist in history and even he thought the Sun was only seven or eight times bigger than Earth.

Well that could be an interesting upgrade to 4-A which could work i'll add it to the list of notes, I'm actually surprised by that as i was under the impression the universe was only Solar System sized in Greek Myth
 
Hellbeast1 said:
Kepekley23 said:
Hesiod was under the impression that the Universe was Multi-Solar System sized. Aristarcus of Samus was the first heliocentrist in history and even he thought the Sun was only seven or eight times bigger than Earth.
Well that could be an interesting upgrade to 4-A which could work i'll add it to the list of notes, I'm actually surprised by that as i was under the impression the universe was only Solar System sized in Greek Myth
I mispoke; it was only Solar System sized, as proven by Aristarchus of Samos's calculations, which placed the Sun at the center of the universe.

I read your original post as "the Ancient Universe is only Galaxy-sized".
 
Also, maybe we should remove fate manipulation from Greek Zeus skills.

He can't change fate, according to Aeschylus myth version of Prometheus, Prometheus Bound.


CHORUS But you should not be giving help like that to human beings beyond the proper limits, ignoring your own troubles, for I have every hope [510] you will be liberated from these chains and be as powerful as Zeus himself. 630

PROMETHEUS It is not destined that almighty Fate will ever end these matters in that way. I will lose these chains, but only after I have been left twisting here in agony, bowed down by countless pains. Artistic skill has far less strength than sheer Necessity.

CHORUS Then who is the one who steers Necessity?

PROMETHEUS The three-formed Fates and unforgetting Furies.*

CHORUS Are they more powerful than Zeus?

PROMETHEUS Well, Zeus will not at any rate escape his destiny. 640

CHORUS But what has destiny foretold for Zeus, except to rule eternally?

PROMETHEUS That point you must not know quite yet. Do not pursue it. [520]
 
@Takato

I forgot which version, but I believe it was during the Iliad Zeus wanted to swoop down and rescue his son who was fated to die, but was urged not to since it would encourage the other gods to do the same.

In addition, some of version of the myths have Zeus with the title, Zeus Moiragetes, their leader as the god of fate.
 
Well, I remember that in the myth of Achilles, it was said that Zeus was in love with Thetis, a nereid. But if had a son with Thetis, his son would dethrone him.

Then, Zeus give up on Tetis and let her marry with King Peleus, who was Achilles father.

So, I believe he can't change prophecies. (At least ... not about his own fate).
 
@Takato

The problem with myth is that there are constantly conflicting accounts due to having dozens of authors and versions.

A majority of versions of the myth have Zeus able, but unwilling to change fate.
 
I mean ... he's also God of Sky, but Uranos, his grandfather is the real personification of the Sky.

God of Justice, but it Themis/Dice is also goddess of justice.

There was Pontus, who's the personifcation of the sea itself, but also there's gods/titans like Nereus, Oceanus and Poseidon who claims the title of Sea-God.

God of Sky, Justice, Fate ... just titles. ;-;
 
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