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My Hero Academia Revisions
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@Repuzzan
That's why we have the "at least, likely higher". Characters can't get upgraded to certain tiers without the calcs for that.
That's why we have the "at least, likely higher". Characters can't get upgraded to certain tiers without the calcs for that.
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@Repuzzan
The thing is, I also could see them being Transonic. It makes sense. But we have no proof, so upgrading speeds without proof results in huge messes.
I'm not a mod, so I have no say in the matter. I just explained my standpoint.
The thing is, I also could see them being Transonic. It makes sense. But we have no proof, so upgrading speeds without proof results in huge messes.
I'm not a mod, so I have no say in the matter. I just explained my standpoint.
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...So out of curiosity, has anyone calced Fatgum's punch on Rappa yet? based on the size of Rappa's large frame sitting in the crater, it would seem like it's a fairly large crater.
https://manga.fascans.com/manga/my-hero-academia/146/5
https://manga.fascans.com/manga/my-hero-academia/146/5
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I don't think is going to give any relevant results honestly
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8-C tops, plus the anagle is bad for scaling.GimmyJibbsJr said:
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Fair enough, I suppose.
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I have a rather big question. Why do Characters scale to Power Loader? He is obviously power focused (not just because of his name) but because of his physical showings. I think it is a bit odd to scale characters to him, that have never shown any physical feats on that scale.
It is not like Aizawa can punch giant craters in the ground. I don't mean to say that Power Loader is a glass cannon, but assuming his body is as durable (and thus anyone who could fight him scales) as his output seems problematic, especially since his hero costume includes a huge frame that is meant to assist him, but not necessarily protect him.
It is not like Aizawa can punch giant craters in the ground. I don't mean to say that Power Loader is a glass cannon, but assuming his body is as durable (and thus anyone who could fight him scales) as his output seems problematic, especially since his hero costume includes a huge frame that is meant to assist him, but not necessarily protect him.
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I ask, because when I was discussing MHA with some other online folks, I was pretty ridiculed when I said characters like Uravity, Froppy and Toga were City Block level. Almost none of the characters, have the Destructive Capacity to take down a even a building.
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Of course, AP through scaling does not require a character to be a heavy hitter to be of a certain tier. It just still seems problematic when characters have much much higher AP than they have been shown to output in the manga and anime.
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@RageComment
Primarily because of the fact that that all Pro Heroes are able to take down Villians and are generally a good deal superior to most Heroes-in-Training. Even heroes-in-training that have the lowest possible power rating (i.e. Uraraka and Tsuyu, can incapacitate Villains the size of apartment complexes with their Quirks, of which Tsuyu's is pure physical force. As a Pro Hero, Power Loader should be capable of at least the same, but he still outmatched the heroes-in-training in terms of pure brute force even while handicapped.
You're currently using the AoE Fallacy. Yes, it's unlikely for Aizawa to dig giant holes in the ground with his bare hands, but he can at least harm and subdue most Villains with pure physical force since his Quirk only nullifies the Quirks of others.
Primarily because of the fact that that all Pro Heroes are able to take down Villians and are generally a good deal superior to most Heroes-in-Training. Even heroes-in-training that have the lowest possible power rating (i.e. Uraraka and Tsuyu, can incapacitate Villains the size of apartment complexes with their Quirks, of which Tsuyu's is pure physical force. As a Pro Hero, Power Loader should be capable of at least the same, but he still outmatched the heroes-in-training in terms of pure brute force even while handicapped.
You're currently using the AoE Fallacy. Yes, it's unlikely for Aizawa to dig giant holes in the ground with his bare hands, but he can at least harm and subdue most Villains with pure physical force since his Quirk only nullifies the Quirks of others.
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Both of them being able to throw foes the size of Apartment Buildings, is definitely High 8-C with their powers. But for Uraraka at least, I don't see how that scales to her durability. And Froppy for that matter, it just shows her tongue is that powerful, not necessarily her physical body.
I don't see it so much as me using a fallacy, as questioning if Aizawa should scale to Power Loaders AP, when Power Loader's durability might actually be weaker physically.
Reexamining it though the difference between High 8-C and 8-B isn't what I first thought it was.
I'm not asking for an actual revision, just wondering what reasoning puts some of the characters in various places.
I don't see it so much as me using a fallacy, as questioning if Aizawa should scale to Power Loaders AP, when Power Loader's durability might actually be weaker physically.
Reexamining it though the difference between High 8-C and 8-B isn't what I first thought it was.
I'm not asking for an actual revision, just wondering what reasoning puts some of the characters in various places.
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I have a better question, why is Kamui woods 8-A right now? I thought all pros were just going to be at least 8-C. I'm fine with Endeavor and Togata being 8-A but why Kamui?
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Maube someone who didn't understood the scaling
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@RageComment
It would be absurd if Uraraka was so weak that she wouldn't be able to take a hit when she got blasted repeatedly by Bakugou in the finals.
If the rest of her wasn't tough enough to handle her own tongue then she would have lost her jaw a long time ago.
@SuperKamiNappa
I actually disagree with that myself, since Kamui is a bit of a joke amongst the Pro Heroes (at least in the series) and said Villain wasn't much larger than the surrounding buildings or Mount Lady.
It would be absurd if Uraraka was so weak that she wouldn't be able to take a hit when she got blasted repeatedly by Bakugou in the finals.
If the rest of her wasn't tough enough to handle her own tongue then she would have lost her jaw a long time ago.
@SuperKamiNappa
I actually disagree with that myself, since Kamui is a bit of a joke amongst the Pro Heroes (at least in the series) and said Villain wasn't much larger than the surrounding buildings or Mount Lady.
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So Kamui should be downgraded?
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@Rep Actually characters can use weapons and have appendages that are far stronger than they are. Like Captain America's shield, and Wolverine's Adamantine Claws. Wolverine's skeleton has high durability, but his flesh and organs do not scale to that.
As for Bakugou, he wasn't trying to kill Uraraka. Point in case, he didn't fire his Howitzer at her. In fact, I'm not sure Bakugo's physical strikes should be as high as his Quirk power output either. His quick powers are obviously where his strength is.
As for Bakugou, he wasn't trying to kill Uraraka. Point in case, he didn't fire his Howitzer at her. In fact, I'm not sure Bakugo's physical strikes should be as high as his Quirk power output either. His quick powers are obviously where his strength is.
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@Rage
But Tsuyu's tongue is part of her body. Her Quirk extends to her entire body, not just her tongue. The force of using it as a weapon would correlate to the rest of her since her tongue is tied into her mouth before snapping back into place with just as much force. Tsuyu would be headless if she couldn't handle her own tongue.
Bakugou wasn't "trying" to kill Villains with their own High 8-C feats either and he even managed to make a severely handicapped All Might flinch with his explosive punches.
But Tsuyu's tongue is part of her body. Her Quirk extends to her entire body, not just her tongue. The force of using it as a weapon would correlate to the rest of her since her tongue is tied into her mouth before snapping back into place with just as much force. Tsuyu would be headless if she couldn't handle her own tongue.
Bakugou wasn't "trying" to kill Villains with their own High 8-C feats either and he even managed to make a severely handicapped All Might flinch with his explosive punches.
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Is throwing someone the equivilent of fragmenting them?
I ask because these characters were Large Building level in size and might as they crashed through a building. But does being able to toss someone and stun them with their own weight. (Or drop debris on them like Uravity did) equal a Large Building Level feat?
I'll stop on the Tsu's tongue thing, because I think it is fair for her tongue to be as strong as the rest of her body.
I ask because these characters were Large Building level in size and might as they crashed through a building. But does being able to toss someone and stun them with their own weight. (Or drop debris on them like Uravity did) equal a Large Building Level feat?
I'll stop on the Tsu's tongue thing, because I think it is fair for her tongue to be as strong as the rest of her body.
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I agree 100% with Repp.
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@Rage
They were large enough to flatten buildings the size of apartment complexes while falling through them. Being able to incapcitate and knock down someone that large should be more than sufficient, given that our criteria for Large Building level is leveling a skyscraper.
They were large enough to flatten buildings the size of apartment complexes while falling through them. Being able to incapcitate and knock down someone that large should be more than sufficient, given that our criteria for Large Building level is leveling a skyscraper.
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Off topic but @Matt I love your icon.
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By the standards of this wiki, I suppose they are what they are.
It's just very difficult to imagine Tsu or Uravity, or most of the cast for that matter, Tanking the Brunt of the MOAB. One of the strongest non-nuclear weapons out there... and not instantly dying.
But if that is how the wiki scaled them. So be it.
It's just very difficult to imagine Tsu or Uravity, or most of the cast for that matter, Tanking the Brunt of the MOAB. One of the strongest non-nuclear weapons out there... and not instantly dying.
But if that is how the wiki scaled them. So be it.
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Hold up a minute.
After rereading that manga chapter. Nejire was the one to knock down the two Giants with her Wring Wave. Froppy and Uravity KO'd them with Hurled Debris. I don't see how this scales them if they were only assisting someone who had done most of the damage?
Nejire vs Giants
After rereading that manga chapter. Nejire was the one to knock down the two Giants with her Wring Wave. Froppy and Uravity KO'd them with Hurled Debris. I don't see how this scales them if they were only assisting someone who had done most of the damage?
Nejire vs Giants
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@Rage
The "difficult to imagine" argument is the absolute worst argument you can put forth on this wiki. MegaMan.EXE doesn't look like much but he has 2-C feats. Kirby doesn't look like he could be 4-A.
Their attacks still sunk the giants into concrete. The required force to do that should be more than enough to qualify for High 8-C.
@Therefir
Bull. Deku's 100% matched Todoroki's full power during the Sport's Festival. Todoroki has an 8-A feat with his strongest attacks.
The "difficult to imagine" argument is the absolute worst argument you can put forth on this wiki. MegaMan.EXE doesn't look like much but he has 2-C feats. Kirby doesn't look like he could be 4-A.
Their attacks still sunk the giants into concrete. The required force to do that should be more than enough to qualify for High 8-C.
@Therefir
Bull. Deku's 100% matched Todoroki's full power during the Sport's Festival. Todoroki has an 8-A feat with his strongest attacks.
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The "Difficult to Imagine" thing wasn't an argument.Reppuzan said:
How does KOing someone by throwing stuff at them, equal the same tier as fragmenting a structure of their size? Like to be High 8-C, you need to destroy a large building, Or significantly damage someone who can, right?
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^ Honestly I don't see what's not to understand. They scale perfectly.
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Because it doesn't follow its own logic. The Giants are Large building, so in order to be large building you would have to take them out in one shot. You don't get to be large building just because you damaged a one story of a building. Similarly you shouldn't be Large building if you just KO the head of a Large building character. The Giants were already damaged significantly by Nejire, so KOing them would not be Large building level.
Unless damaging only part of a large building, is enough to be considered Large building level. If that is the case, then nevermind this entire argument.
Unless damaging only part of a large building, is enough to be considered Large building level. If that is the case, then nevermind this entire argument.
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I did, the Giants are Large Building Level for crashing through a huge portion of that Large Building structure.
I apologize for the frustration I am causing, but to be Large building level...
You have to one-shot a Large Building, or one-shot a person with Large Building Level durability, correct?
I apologize for the frustration I am causing, but to be Large building level...
You have to one-shot a Large Building, or one-shot a person with Large Building Level durability, correct?
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@RageComment
Being able to significantly damage someone with Large Building level durability is enough to get a rating. You don't need to "one-shot" them.
The two Villains were more bothered by hitting each other than by the destruction they were causing, and both Uraraka and Ochako incapacitated them with one hit.
When weakest nameless fodder that regularly get beaten by Heroes-in-Training have feats that corroborate this, it's basic scaling.
Being able to significantly damage someone with Large Building level durability is enough to get a rating. You don't need to "one-shot" them.
The two Villains were more bothered by hitting each other than by the destruction they were causing, and both Uraraka and Ochako incapacitated them with one hit.
When weakest nameless fodder that regularly get beaten by Heroes-in-Training have feats that corroborate this, it's basic scaling.
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If that's the case then I guess I was just misunderstanding how this wiki scales things. Admittedly that is a bit weird though. If it takes 2 to 11 tons to completely destroy a large building. It should take 2 to 11 tons to completely destroy a Large Building level fighter. Thus if you are only KOing them, you are dealing less than 2 tons of energy, and thus are less than Large Building.
My issue may be more with my understanding of Attack Potency than with the scaling of MHA though.
My issue may be more with my understanding of Attack Potency than with the scaling of MHA though.
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@RageComment
Durability is a measure of how much damage someone can take before they actually start feeling it.
Hurting someone with Large Building level Durability = having Large Building level AP even if they haven't actually destroyed a building. KOing them to the point that they're totally senseless more than qualifies for this.
You don't need to punch a hole in someone to qualify for a particular rating, or scaling would rarely go anywhere.
Durability is a measure of how much damage someone can take before they actually start feeling it.
Hurting someone with Large Building level Durability = having Large Building level AP even if they haven't actually destroyed a building. KOing them to the point that they're totally senseless more than qualifies for this.
You don't need to punch a hole in someone to qualify for a particular rating, or scaling would rarely go anywhere.
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So a Large building Structure, is Weaker than a Large Building Fighter?
Like a Large building attack, destroys an entire Large Building Structure, but only damages the Fighter?
Like a Large building attack, destroys an entire Large Building Structure, but only damages the Fighter?
