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My Hero Academia General Discussion Thread #18

At absolute worst honestly it just means that Tiger Bunny should have a 5× difference between her punches and kicks with a gap that got astronomically larger once she became a full on Pro-Hero after training more.
 
Chronicplane said:
I'm feeling it like cause the anime adaption isn't here yet so we still don't have any given time frame of this tail wind reaching US, making it too speculative.
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From what I gathered from the manga, the events happened within a week or less. The reporter refers to it in the past tense, and there are images of heroes already cleaning up. It also says, “a week has passed,” but that’s mentioned after the weather lady gives her statement. So at most, it's been a week—at minimum, just a few days—since it’s also stated before the forecast scene.
 
CastoriceTheFifth said:
Somehow they got that smash weaker than Movie 2 Deku and Bakugo. They also didnt calc the portion that it cleared the skies of the United States.
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They also forgot mention (also not listed on dekus profile) that he punched tomura so hard it literally stunned him made him unable to move for a bit as a side effect lmao. imagine how miles would react it
 
So I need some clarification on something if anyone can assist. Deku never really mastered One For All in the sense he couldn't utilize max output 24/7 and had to make up for that by throwing in fa jin, and other quirks. He mentioned how he's able to replicate what All Might could do at his max and later on, with the combination of Gear shift and Fa Jin he was able to output 120 percent. Would Dekus max with base One for All be similar to that 120% output or would it be much higher than that? What percentage was he staying around while utilizing those other quirks, and how much stronger would he be at his maximum when combined with those other quirks? 🤔
 
Dreymannn said:
So I need some clarification on something if anyone can assist. Deku never really mastered One For All in the sense he couldn't utilize max output 24/7 and had to make up for that by throwing in fa jin, and other quirks. He mentioned how he's able to replicate what All Might could do at his max and later on, with the combination of Gear shift and Fa Jin he was able to output 120 percent. Would Dekus max with base One for All be similar to that 120% output or would it be much higher than that? What percentage was he staying around while utilizing those other quirks, and how much stronger would he be at his maximum when combined with those other quirks? 🤔
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He learned to use it at 100% consistently (he had already mastered it by the time he fought Tomura again), something even All Might mentioned as a benchmark of mastery. By the time of the final battle against Prime Shigaraki in the UA Sky Fortress, Deku is confirmed to be using 100% Full Cowl consistently, without damaging his body, which places him firmly in the same tier as Prime All Might. This is evident when he blocks Shigaraki's full-power punch with no quirk assistance, just in base complete cowl state (45% deku COULD NOT block a prime might punch like that) —an enemy who is explicitly said to be All Might at his peak. It would also be weird for him to hold back at 45% when Tomura murdered his friends. What we saw in that battle was his peak; only the limit we didn't see was how much fajin he could charge before it could no longer store more energy.

When he fought Lady Nagant he only had 45% but sometime between then and the final tomura fight, he got 100%
 
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Dreymannn said:
So I need some clarification on something if anyone can assist. Deku never really mastered One For All in the sense he couldn't utilize max output 24/7 and had to make up for that by throwing in fa jin, and other quirks. He mentioned how he's able to replicate what All Might could do at his max and later on, with the combination of Gear shift and Fa Jin he was able to output 120 percent. Would Dekus max with base One for All be similar to that 120% output or would it be much higher than that? What percentage was he staying around while utilizing those other quirks, and how much stronger would he be at his maximum when combined with those other quirks? 🤔
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The wiki accepts deku mastering ofa 100% with zero draw backs with deku using 100% against shigaraki the entire fight
 
i hate how no matter if deku won or lost, he's getting slander.
At the same time, these memes are so funny man. I've been laughing for the past hour
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I heard people saying Miles should’ve won cos of Fin Fang Foom scaling. Is there any reason why he hurt Fin Fang Foom (like him hurting Knull was cos his venom is more effective against black hearts I think) or is it an outlier?
 
Want to ask OOC, Idk how much discussion (CTR's) this has gotten. But how objective do you'll think Bakugou's AP scaling is to tier 6? This isn't meant to a CTR just a disclosure. But bullet pointing arguments for against tier 6 Bakugo: Thoughts?
  • All For One stating that his Explosion quirk is inferior to Dark Shadow and Hellflame
  • Only pummeling a on his last legs All For One when he was already worn down
  • A quirkless Shigaraki not considering him a threat; only being provoked cause he gave the ol' demon lord Kudo PTSD, and only doing burning temperature damage.
 
Chronicplane said:
Want to ask OOC, Idk how much discussion (CTR's) this has gotten. But how objective do you'll think Bakugou's AP scaling is to tier 6? This isn't meant to a CTR just a disclosure. But bullet pointing arguments for against tier 6 Bakugo: Thoughts?
  • All For One stating that his Explosion quirk is inferior to Dark Shadow and Hellflame
  • Only pummeling a on his last legs All For One when he was already worn down
  • A quirkless Shigaraki not considering him a threat; only being provoked cause he gave the ol' demon lord Kudo PTSD, and only doing burning temperature damage.
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Shigaraki considered his best move to be fantastic and deliberately had to get rid of it, doing more damage to him than basically everyone else there including the Nejire amped laser beam Suneater shot at him.
 
XSOULOFCINDERX said:
Shigaraki considered his best move to be fantastic and deliberately had to get rid of it,
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Was it Shiggy who said that or the melded-ShiggyFO mind?, cause what All For One says does seem to collide with this statement and with Bakugo himself admiting he didn't stand a chance of beating All For One on his own. Was All For One lying then? also the fantastic line right before he was mentioning with condensing the blast and without losing any potency to minimize collateral damage, but after mentions he's "Never be more than Izuku Midoriya's Hanger-On-A Minnow in One For All's Wake", so there's 2 perspectives here.

doing more damage to him than basically everyone else there including the Nejire amped laser beam Suneater shot at him.
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The damage was surface level degree burns caused by the heat IIRC, could be interpret up to heat susceptibility. Nomu biology even have shown lack of strong resistances to high temperatures.

Like I get it, but a lot of it feels like flimsy downscaling. My two cents.
 
Chronicplane said:
Was it Shiggy who said that or the melded-ShiggyFO mind?, cause what All For One says does seem to collide with this statement and with Bakugo himself admiting he didn't stand a chance of beating All For One on his own. Was All For One lying then? also the fantastic line right before he was mentioning with condensing the blast and without losing any potency to minimize collateral damage, but after mentions he's "Never be more than Izuku Midoriya's Hanger-On-A Minnow in One For All's Wake", so there's 2 perspectives here.


The damage was surface level degree burns caused by the heat IIRC, could be interpret up to heat susceptibility. Nomu biology even have shown lack of strong resistances to high temperatures.

Like I get it, but a lot of it feels like flimsy downscaling. My two cents.
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In the most recent mha movie Bakugo kept up with a at least 45% Deku
 
Spinoirr said:
In the most recent mha movie Bakugo kept up with a at least 45% Deku
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I C then, I still need to get around to finishing you're next so I maybe missing some context there. Though regards to final act 45 Deku's clearly above Bakugou if we're looking how he easily reacted & blocked a lunged assault from Shiggy with no visible damage before using his other quirks.
 
Chronicplane said:
I C then, I still need to get around to finishing you're next so I maybe missing some context there. Though regards to final act 45 Deku's clearly above Bakugou if we're looking how he easily reacted & blocked a lunged assault from Shiggy with no visible damage before using his other quirks.
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Deku never used 45% against Shiggy in the Final War, he was going 100% or higher for the whole fight.
 
Honestly wish All For One never made that statement, makes the whole thing feel weird. Especially since Shiggy's mentor probably has more say being around many decades longer than his protegee.
 
XSOULOFCINDERX said:
Deku never used 45% against Shiggy in the Final War, he was going 100% or higher for the whole fight.
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Don't remember Deku explicitly stating he had mastered 100% to use against Shiggy, but effectively reached that and 120% in combing his base full cowl with his other quirks like Fa Jin and Gearshift. Looking it like Bakugo would be tier 6 just inferior to Deku.
 
Chronicplane said:
Don't remember Deku explicitly stating he had mastered 100% to use against Shiggy, but effectively reached that and 120% in combing his base full cowl with his other quirks like Fa Jin and Gearshift. Looking it like Bakugo would be tier 6 just inferior to Deku.
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See that's what I thought too but I apparently its kind of implied, id have to reread that fight again
 
Chronicplane said:
Don't remember Deku explicitly stating he had mastered 100% to use against Shiggy, but effectively reached that and 120% in combing his base full cowl with his other quirks like Fa Jin and Gearshift. Looking it like Bakugo would be tier 6 just inferior to Deku.
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Bakugo is massively inferior to Izuku. In fact, Izuku is scaling 60x above him due to the Prime All Might multiplier. Tomura and Izuku are strong enough to one shot him.

Note: Down below is just a tangent. 99% of this was written because my mind runs at a mile per minute and I don't know how to compartmentalize information. A good chunk of it is just my random thoughts that I can't help but write down. Only the above is meant to be an actual reply to you. I apologize for writing so much.

Speaking of Izuku's percentage. In the Final War, Izuku never powers up beside charging more Fa Jin or using Gearshift when he starts fighting Tomura. While it's not technically impossible Izuku never used 100%, it's extremely unlikely he was just refusing to use it and I'll explain why.

We know for a fact that he's not using 45%. Complete Tomura is Prime All Might level, who is 60x stronger than Weakened All Might in canon. Quirkless Jaku Tomura is at least on par with the USJ Nomu and Weakened All Might. 45% Izuku was shown and stated to be inferior to Jaku Tomura.

With base Full Cowl, Izuku was able to stop a punch from Complete Tomura without too much effort. That is not 120%. Izuku cannot enter a 120% state, he can only unleash a 120% attack with Overdrive. Fa Jin is not a transformation, and Izuku hadn't even activate Gearshift.

Also, in the movie, where Izuku is not using the same Full Cowl he does against Tomura. Izuku is matching Dark Might, who is stronger than Weakened All Might by an unknown amount. Note, it's fine if you don't believe Dark Might's statement, as that is just extra fluff.

Also, while it's weird, there is no doubt that Izuku is holding back during You're Next. Bakugo and Shoto being able to fight Dark Might alongside Izuku is proof of that.

Back to the Final War. Assume Izuku isn't using 100%, requires more assumptions than assuming he's holding back. Even when he was at 8%, Izuku could fight for a bit at 100% Full Cowl. During their fight in Jaku, Izuku was able to unleash several dozens 100% attacks onto Tomura. And his body has only gotten stronger since.

Example 1: Izuku's Full Cowl appearance is pretty much identical to his 100% Full Cowl form used against Chisaki and Nine, which were both 100%.

Example 2: Izuku with base Full Cowl and no extra Quirks, can stop a punch from Complete Tomura. Who is equal in strength to Prime All Might.

Example 3: Izuku admits he cannot stop Tomura/AFO without drawing out OFA's full power. Considering he was defeating them, it suggest he's operating at 100%.

Example 4: Izuku straight up says to AFO that he's giving it everything he's got. Which makes little sense if he was actually holding back.

Example 5: Gearshift is stated to be their last resort. Which means using Gearshift is more risky than 100%. Using Gearshift implies he's fine with 100% as well.

While Kido says Izuku using 100% would hurt him and break his equipment. This contradicts the actual showings during the battle against Tomura.

As Tomura, who is Prime All Might level, cannot break Izuku's equipment with his own strength as shown when Izuku blocked his attack. Izuku also punches at 120% and his equipment is not destroyed either, even without Fa Jin his equipment is fine.

These gauntlets are weaker than his Mid-Gauntlets, which are inferior to the Full Gauntlet, which can withstand Weakened All Might's power for up to three hits. All Might even says they'd shatter if Izuku uses 100%. Yet these inferior gauntlets Mei created, can withstand Prime All Might level attacks? It's just inconsistent nonsense.

The previous users also stated Izuku was going to complete One For All. And Yoichi says in the end that Izuku did complete One For All.

Izuku even states his One For All is only a little bit stronger than what All Might built up. Which means 100% Full Cowl would only be a little bit stronger than Quirkless Complete Tomura. And in case you forgot, base Full Cowl Izuku with no extra Quirks held off a punch from Quirkless Complete Tomura, yet decided to use his last resort.

I see two reasonable possibilities. Either Izuku is using a percentage that is so close to 100% that actually using 100% doesn't matter, or he's just using 100% when fighting Tomura. The evidence above completely kill the idea of Izuku still using 45% at the least. That part is just fact.

Since Izuku never powers up to a 100% at all during the Final War, we decided to just label as 100%. I'm aware some people believe that Izuku used 100% at this point, by the end of chapter 411. However, that's just a personal belief and not a fact, because nothing points to him using 100%.

I've explained how inconsistent his equipment being destroyed is, but when Izuku is explaining what he is doing, he never mentions powering up his Full Cowl or using 100%. Despite going into great detail about what he's doing. All we're getting is that this is a far more powerful Fa Jin attack that was build up with Blackwhip's help.

To go back to the equipment. The last time Izuku used 100%, just activating it caused his gauntlets and gloves to break. However, in the above scan, you see that only Izuku's gauntlets are destroyed. His glove isn't destroyed until he unleashes his attack. I don't think relying on the visuals of his equipment breaking is solid reasoning.

In my opinion, this stuff just follows the rule of cool. It only happens during dramatic moments.
 
TheRustyOne said:
Bakugo is massively inferior to Izuku. In fact, Izuku is scaling 60x above him due to the Prime All Might multiplier. Tomura and Izuku are strong enough to one shot him.

Note: Down below is just a tangent. 99% of this was written because my mind runs at a mile per minute and I don't know how to compartmentalize information. A good chunk of it is just my random thoughts that I can't help but write down. Only the above is meant to be an actual reply to you. I apologize for writing so much.

Speaking of Izuku's percentage. In the Final War, Izuku never powers up beside charging more Fa Jin or using Gearshift when he starts fighting Tomura. While it's not technically impossible Izuku never used 100%, it's extremely unlikely he was just refusing to use it and I'll explain why.

We know for a fact that he's not using 45%. Complete Tomura is Prime All Might level, who is 60x stronger than Weakened All Might in canon. Quirkless Jaku Tomura is at least on par with the USJ Nomu and Weakened All Might. 45% Izuku was shown and stated to be inferior to Jaku Tomura.

With base Full Cowl, Izuku was able to stop a punch from Complete Tomura without too much effort. That is not 120%. Izuku cannot enter a 120% state, he can only unleash a 120% attack with Overdrive. Fa Jin is not a transformation, and Izuku hadn't even activate Gearshift.

Also, in the movie, where Izuku is not using the same Full Cowl he does against Tomura. Izuku is matching Dark Might, who is stronger than Weakened All Might by an unknown amount. Note, it's fine if you don't believe Dark Might's statement, as that is just extra fluff.

Also, while it's weird, there is no doubt that Izuku is holding back during You're Next. Bakugo and Shoto being able to fight Dark Might alongside Izuku is proof of that.

Back to the Final War. Assume Izuku isn't using 100%, requires more assumptions than assuming he's holding back. Even when he was at 8%, Izuku could fight for a bit at 100% Full Cowl. During their fight in Jaku, Izuku was able to unleash several dozens 100% attacks onto Tomura. And his body has only gotten stronger since.

Example 1: Izuku's Full Cowl appearance is pretty much identical to his 100% Full Cowl form used against Chisaki and Nine, which were both 100%.

Example 2: Izuku with base Full Cowl and no extra Quirks, can stop a punch from Complete Tomura. Who is equal in strength to Prime All Might.

Example 3: Izuku admits he cannot stop Tomura/AFO without drawing out OFA's full power. Considering he was defeating them, it suggest he's operating at 100%.

Example 4: Izuku straight up says to AFO that he's giving it everything he's got. Which makes little sense if he was actually holding back.

Example 5: Gearshift is stated to be their last resort. Which means using Gearshift is more risky than 100%. Using Gearshift implies he's fine with 100% as well.

While Kido says Izuku using 100% would hurt him and break his equipment. This contradicts the actual showings during the battle against Tomura.

As Tomura, who is Prime All Might level, cannot break Izuku's equipment with his own strength as shown when Izuku blocked his attack. Izuku also punches at 120% and his equipment is not destroyed either, even without Fa Jin his equipment is fine.

These gauntlets are weaker than his Mid-Gauntlets, which are inferior to the Full Gauntlet, which can withstand Weakened All Might's power for up to three hits. All Might even says they'd shatter if Izuku uses 100%. Yet these inferior gauntlets Mei created, can withstand Prime All Might level attacks? It's just inconsistent nonsense.

The previous users also stated Izuku was going to complete One For All. And Yoichi says in the end that Izuku did complete One For All.

Izuku even states his One For All is only a little bit stronger than what All Might built up. Which means 100% Full Cowl would only be a little bit stronger than Quirkless Complete Tomura. And in case you forgot, base Full Cowl Izuku with no extra Quirks held off a punch from Quirkless Complete Tomura, yet decided to use his last resort.

I see two reasonable possibilities. Either Izuku is using a percentage that is so close to 100% that actually using 100% doesn't matter, or he's just using 100% when fighting Tomura. The evidence above completely kill the idea of Izuku still using 45% at the least. That part is just fact.

Since Izuku never powers up to a 100% at all during the Final War, we decided to just label as 100%. I'm aware some people believe that Izuku used 100% at this point, by the end of chapter 411. However, that's just a personal belief and not a fact, because nothing points to him using 100%.

I've explained how inconsistent his equipment being destroyed is, but when Izuku is explaining what he is doing, he never mentions powering up his Full Cowl or using 100%. Despite going into great detail about what he's doing. All we're getting is that this is a far more powerful Fa Jin attack that was build up with Blackwhip's help.

To go back to the equipment. The last time Izuku used 100%, just activating it caused his gauntlets and gloves to break. However, in the above scan, you see that only Izuku's gauntlets are destroyed. His glove isn't destroyed until he unleashes his attack. I don't think relying on the visuals of his equipment breaking is solid reasoning.

In my opinion, this stuff just follows the rule of cool. It only happens during dramatic moments.
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feel like author should have made it more clear when deku fought tomura. i can see how people get confused
 
Oh yeah, I just remembered, but does anyone else think it's weird they made deku and Miles tie with powers? Lol Like that doesn't even make sense. They have some similarities yeah, but Deku has quirks that just give him such a massive edge over Miles. Deku can effectively hard counter everything Miles throws at him but the same can't be said for Miles.
 
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