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DB has yet to even attempt calculating the Final Smash so I can't wait to see how that goes.
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My Hero Academia General Discussion Thread #18
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I wouldn't put it past them to make it planetary honestly.
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Iron Man is casually above Spider-Man consistently. He isn't an issue, like how Doc Ock was a joke to him but not to Spidey.
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I don't think they will. DB has been doing pretty well with only using consistency scaling from what I've watched of them. Like they'll bring up a couple one time things every so often but mention it's not consistent with what the usually do or was an exception. I can imagine them bringing it up during the feats thing and if deku wins, mentioning that very thing at the end that it's not consistent with his usual feats
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They better show examples like Peter getting his ass beat by Jack O'Lantern.
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Miles isn’t even as fast as Mirko or Gran TorinoBro... what is this matchup???
I've seen people saying that Miles wins because of scaling chains... but 99% of the time, whenever people bring up scaling chains in comics, they always leave out the feats that make the characters look weak. Miles has not showcased the ability to be a consistent threat to Deku, nor has Spider-Man. People always take shit out of context and use one panel to prove a character's superiority over another, while IGNORING the bigger the picture.
Venom Blast? Cute. Can it harm someone who can SURVIVE being nuked, though? Deku's fought opponents who were shocked before, who had nothing to rely on but their durability, which was comparable to his. They got back up, despite being shocked with what was likely millions of volts.
Is Miles even faster than Deku to begin with? I mean, sure, he can dodge bullets and all, but I've never seen him cross distance any faster than say... a couple times the speed of sound.
A character who can move at maybe a few times the speed of sound versus one who can move a dozen times faster than that, potentially THOUSANDS if we're being generous. Wow, what a close fight, am I right guys?
This is to say nothing of the elephant in the room. How the HELL is a Building-level character gonna survive fighting someone who's trillions of times stronger than him? Like... just one punch and Miles is red paste. The gap between Miles and Deku in strength should be a comparable difference between a regular human to a character who's 8-C.
Are you telling me that a regular human stands a chance against Homelander? AGAINST Spider-Man, since he's technically 8-C too???
Alright, let's pretend that Miles is in fact as fast as Deku. He's still gonna get steamrolled. That speed is virtually useless if Deku just rips the terrain from under Miles's feet.
As far as I know, Miles can't fly. And with nothing to latch onto or use his webs for leverage, he's essentially just going to be in free fall for a while against a character who can both fly and move at, bare minimum, hypersonic velocities.
Also, another thing. Miles can't keep fighting forever. Eventually, he's gonna run out of web fluid. Once that happens... well... I'll let your imagination run the logic.
Spider wank is out of control
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There’s no rematch I can do for Deku vs Steven. Deadass the next scaling tier Steven goes to is Moon + via Diamond spawning destroying home world instead of the cluster scaling. Also PLEASE for the love of god remove the Pink Diamond Warship from his standard equipment. There’s absolutely no reason for it to be a standard equipment when he has only flown it once. His sword isn’t even standard yet that one is.
No one discussed it because he cooked yusuke and got fra trained against player. Profile wise a knowledgeable member confirmed his profile was left at a trash state. His super speed pink state was treated as his transformation boost 9’ profile but in the deku matchup was treated as a blitz amp ability (because it’s an ability and was confirmed by them as well). Hell, the diamond warship mech was ignored too because that’s clearly not his standard equipment yet was listed as one lol. The difference between Steven entering the astral plane against blue and yellow is that he’s just knocked out. Asleep. Slumped. In this scenario he would be dead. Cooked. Pink Steven isn’t bounded by his human side. The fa Jin example would just be a NLF.
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I swear death battle has stated they take characters at their strongest before. I think it was goku vs Superman 3?
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If it's consistent with other feats yeah. They usually don't use outliers
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issue is there are (i don't believe them but they exist) a few ftl feats for miles to scale to, namely street tiers dodging cyclops beam and spiderman being to fast for microwaves ext.
Doesn't help that venom blast is inconsistent as **** since in one run it worked on heralds to knock them out completely
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I'm not letting my guard down, you got to remember these are the same guys that did the Omni-man sun disk scaling to give him the win over Bardock when that was the one of the biggest fumbles they've ever done and they have such a humangous bias for comic book characters compared to anime. And the Spider-Men still have many decades of material spanning so they can just pick and pull from any issue or era. What Death Battle says =/= What the general masses says and that's making me concerned.
I'm certain they're gonna highball Miles just like that, I'd bet on it...but even with these factors are still within parameters. Deku is so much, and I mean so much higher than he was in Heroes Rising at his peak that it'd almost be big lowball to cap him at it. I don't buy planet level MHA but even this site has Final Embers massively higher than what DB has scaled thus far~
Which is making me quite worried since they didn't use anything new in Shigaraki's fight a few months ago and are likely gonna rehash the same tried-and-true formula, and one final note and given comics are comics there's almost always gonna be an issue or run BS.
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5 years ago they had Miles lose to static shock of all people so I can't wait to see how they do this. I still can't believe they had bardock trillions of times faster than light and bardock only billions lmao that's a massive speed difference.
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Everytime I ask for an issue for certain instances the Miles glazer ma go quiet
I had some dumbass say Miles fought Blade and Blade fought Thor then when I ask for the issue or context they go quiet
Sorry but Miles and Peter would both get blitzed and negged by Gran Torino or Mirko
Even if you use Max chain scaling there isn’t an instant of Either Miles or Peter hurting Thor or taking a full on hit from either of them
I had some dumbass say Miles fought Blade and Blade fought Thor then when I ask for the issue or context they go quiet
Sorry but Miles and Peter would both get blitzed and negged by Gran Torino or Mirko
Even if you use Max chain scaling there isn’t an instant of Either Miles or Peter hurting Thor or taking a full on hit from either of them
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Comics can be so weird sometimes. Like, usually with manga you'll have some author statements that downplay the actual characters and then with comics you'll have ******* Venom(This was before all that venom can be a God bullshit) of all people putting his hands on Superman. Then I saw a panel of CATWOMAN, knocking out three different people with the Speed force as they charged her.
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I mean depends where you scale street tier speed. Since there are light speed reaction feats for street tiers, hell peter himself has one where it's stated he's too fact to be hit by microwave beams, superior spiderman can dodge lightmans's attacks as well, iirc wolverine also reacts to cyclop's beams too.
Street tiers do have feats around the light speed range (tho anything higher is complete wank)
Venom and superman have never met afaik cause theyre from different companies lmao
Context is they're clumsy and not at full power or skill, they're running around aimlessly cause they're mind control which not only makes them slower but as smart as CW's flash
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Oh, forgot to mention, having context doesn't make something any less stupid. Remember when Goku was shot with a laser by some random grunt and brought to near death? Well, even if you add the context that he wasn't on guard, it's still stupid lol like even if they weren't at full power, a fraction of their speed would still be enough to get past her
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Superman literally slams venom onto the wall
, where does it show venom being comparable to supes?you chose the worst example since goku being offguard means his ki is off. Base Goku without ki isn’t that strong lmao. Also speedsters running like idiots means that you could just stick your leg out and they’d prolly trip
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Jesus Christ now I remembered why I don't debate people here. First, read the whole comic. Secondly, you clearly don't understand any point I was trying to make but this doesn't surprise me. Carry onSuperman literally slams venom onto the wall
you chose the worst example since goku being offguard means his ki is off. Base Goku without ki isn’t that strong lmao. Also speedsters running like idiots means that you could just stick your leg out and they’d prolly trip
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Okay so you resort to being rude, firstly can you send the whole comic of venom vs superman? That one panel doesn’t show venom being relative to superman at all.
Edit: read it but it doesn’t help that those fights were fan voted so it’s not an actual showing of who would win in a fight but merely a popularity contest. Same run, no Adamantium Logan beat tf out of lobo and smoked a ciggie after the fight. This shouldn’t be used for scaling at all or proving inconsistency since it’s literally just official dbx’s
Secondly i understand your point, it’s just that the point and your example are wrong. Flash being stupid through mind control allowing for him to crash into and be tripped makes sense. We literally see earlier in the comic that Batman was only able to fight off superman because he was under mind control. Under normal circumstances they would have died.
a better example you could have used is wolverine knocking out someone who beat up colossus casually a few panels earlier. The same guy who ripped off Logan’s arm
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Yeah see. You don't understand my point at all. My point was context isn't an excuse for stupid decisions. Catwoman didn't trip three different speedsters. She knocked out three different speedsters with a single attack. Mind controlled or not, that is dumb. I brought up the laser with Goku because, context or not, it was a stupid decision. Especially with him being in Blue like it was in the movie. They had him in base in the anime and I think manga but still.
As for Superman and Venom, my entire point was comics can have extremely stupid moments and the crossover comics are in a weird sort of canonicity because of the multiverse issue.
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But context helps fix those issues. Speedsters durability can vary they’re not always gonna be on that multiversal timing. Your point was to use something that had context as to why they got folded, then used another instance of where context actually saves the scene. It is a matter of media literacy.
like if you wanted street tier ******* with speedsters, captain cold exists lol
I can’t remember but this isn’t even canon to the multiverse this was just a big promotional gimmick. They actively changed the cosmologies for it to work how they wanted by having the brothers stage fights and rigging results ie
I’m not denying there’s stupid bs of heralds doing something to heralds. Like miles webs managed to resist a black hole that sucked in ******* galactus. It’s just your examples aren’t good because the context explains how the outliers happened
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Context can help but it depends on the scene, and fans trying to use context to justify certain actions doesn't suddenly defend bad or idiotic writing. You can give context for literally anything but that doesn't mean it's good writing. Dragon ball is full of things like this. I can give context to explain why a thing is but that doesn't suddenly mean I should accept it as good writing.
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Good writing =\= what your original point was about street tiers being able to fight heralds sometimes because comics are stupid.
Even then, if the context is provided well enough and isn’t a result of PIS then it’s not bad writing.
Also I’m pretty sure the everyone loves ivy run was well received too
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??? I said comics can be weird and have dumb moments. Bro doesn't even read what I say.
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This feat is also heavily out of context
We don't see Peter dodging after they're fired, its clearly aim dodging and its easier for him to aim dodge because he literally has pre-cognition
All of these light speed feats are horse shit because they're aim dodging and using Spider-sense
This is the same thing that happens with Black Clover dick riders who claim Asta dodged light in his sleep when it was Asta rolling before the blast was fired and it wasn't even light magic, it was mirror magic
This is just an example of people showing things out of context, Mina Ashido dodging the navel laser (regardless of weather you think its light speed or not) is closer to actually dodging something light based than anything Peter or Miles have to offer and now in the anime we have an armored All Might dodging radio waves at almost point blank range
Has there ever been any evidence of Cyclops optic blast being light speed or are we just assuming because it has properties of being a laser ei burning, reflecting etc? What exactly makes Cyclops optic blast faster than the lasers Star and Stripe caught? At least Star dodged radio waves which we know are light speed and have we seen Wolverine dodging the optic blast after they were fired?
Again (and this isn't directed at you) we need context for this shit because its almost always heavily out of context
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1. Cyclops has the links on vsbw profile
2. I’ll send the full comic from what I see he actively jumps and moves out of the beam just in time
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You took us so far from my original point and then tell me what im talking about doesn't go a long with my original point lol okay
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I see one instant from Uncanny Xmen 211 where Wolverine senses pressure waves but didn't dodge them outright
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More bullshit from some idiot on reddit claiming Spider-man fought the Avengers
Read the actual comic and it was Peter running away from them while they were holding back and eventually getting subdued by Thor
Spider glazers are the third biggest group of liars outside of the OPM and One Piece fandom
Read the actual comic and it was Peter running away from them while they were holding back and eventually getting subdued by Thor
Spider glazers are the third biggest group of liars outside of the OPM and One Piece fandom
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Stupid question that should probably have an obvious answer to me but should Hawks get two new Keys for both after he was crippled by Dabi and needed prosthetics like Mirko and for after he lost his Quirk to AFO since he's still doing Hero stuff iirc?
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I’m on phone and I’m busy but the comic. Is linked in the Tarzan vs Kraven g1blogI see one instant from Uncanny Xmen 211 where Wolverine senses pressure waves but didn't dodge them outright
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You must think I was born yesterday or something, lmao. I've been around the block a couple of times to know how this thing works.
Look, there's a whole bunch of feats for these comic book characters, but there are a whole bunch of instances of Peter nearly dying from freefall or bullets or barely being harmed by explosions that don't even qualify as nukes.
What you're doing is citing a few instances of writers exaggerating what a character can realistically pull off and saying that takes precedence over literal continuity and what the character consistently accomplishes. Spider-Man isn't ******* Hulk Tier. If Venom Blasts were that effective on characters who can break apart planets, they'd turn virtually every thug or character Miles goes up against into electrocuted jelly. This in itself is a major inconsistency with this kind of scaling.
Ultimate Peter Parker STRUGGLED to outrun a ******* sniper bullet heading towards Captain America, and this is the same guy who knocked dout Miles in one hit... But light-speed, am I right? Oh, are we just gonna pretend that the bullet was somehow light-speed now?
Like, you can't be serious, right? YOU'RE CAPPING
This is the problem with comic books and comic power-scaling. People take every feat hyper literally without looking at the context. That isn't how powerscaling or VS debates work. There are numerous instances of Peter being defeated by some B-lister or STRUGGLING to fight dudes who can't even move at Mach speeds. Do not make me drop the scans, lmao.
Now, I'm not saying Peter or Miles is that slow, but when you're taking a feat out of context to get what you want... well, know that people can do the same.
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