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My Hero Academia General Discussion Thread #18

It's incorrect. Izuku's 45% cannot inflict serious damage on Incomplete Tomura, who's comparable to Endeavor.

45% was also made to vomit blood by a single strike from Incomplete Tomura. Edit: Should be clear that Endeavor is not comparable to Prime All Might.

Not only that, but in the hospital after the Final War, it's literally shown to us that his body is able to handle 45% like he could 5%, and it's why he took less damage. It doesn't make sense to show 45% if 30% is his safe limit and 45% strains his body. Also, he only ever used 45% during his fight with Lady Nagant as well. Izuku was struggling with processing multiple things at once. Switching from 30% to 45% rapidly would've been something mentioned as causing him issues.

It's further proof he's using 45% as his new baseline.

This only works if the author assumes 45% Izuku just magically jumped from inferior to Weakened All Might, to Prime All Might level in like one month or a few weeks. Or believes the BS that using OFA on a single limb is EXTREMELY weaker than Full Cowl. Despite that not being the case as shown with Izuku's single use of 5% and in Heroes Rising with 100%. As Izuku can harm Shoto with 5% single arm, which scales to Stain, who can withstand a 5% Full Cowl punch, and even say it wasn't powerful.

While in Heroes Rising, Izuku believed they needed two OFA to defeat Nine. Despite the fact he only blew away 100% in a single arm. If Izuku is willingly to use 100% Full Cowl to begin with, and it's far stronger than a single arm, why is he assuming he cannot defeat Nine himself? Simple, he overpowered 100%.

The problem here is that the author can't accept the idea Izuku's just in a higher percentage we don't know, which is far more likely. Izuku also clearly states he's not holding anything back while fighting Complete Tomura in the Coffin. And we know whatever percentage Izuku is using here is not the same he uses against Dark Might.

Izuku cannot use Fa Jin as some magic transformation. It's an instant release of energy. While his arms glowing being Fa Jin's storing is fine. The energy from his eyes is consistent with 100% Full Cowl. 45% has never been shown to look like that. Even if you disagree with that being 100%, that's very clearly not 45%.

Trying to make the gauntlets make sense is impossible. As the Mid-Gauntlets are inferior to the Full Gauntlet, which break after three hits from Weakened All Might's power. While Mei's gauntlets are even inferior to the Mid-Gauntlets, yet withstand a hit from Prime All Might Tomura. The gauntlets are just complete nonsense.

Also, his claim of Izuku's last punch there being his strongest is incorrect. Nana literally states he can build up an even stronger attack.
 
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TheRustyOne said:
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Doesn't this panel also say hes using 100% since its "out of 100" or am I reading it wrong.
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CastoriceTheFifth said:
Doesn't this panel also say hes using 100% since its "out of 100" or am I reading it wrong.
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I always saw it as him saying the power Izuku is unleashing is equivalent to 120%. 100% is OFA's full power, so 120% out of 100%.

However, another translation I read said. "100% becomes 120%." Which is an extremely clear statement. Not only that, but it's redundant to say 120% out of 100% if my above interpretation is correct. I doubt AFO would think he was talking about anything other than OFA. Saying this is equivalent to 120% or whatever would be fine.

Like, he's saying 100%

I cannot fully trust this. I do have the raws, I'm going check to see what is correct here. I know Japanese can be very tricky.

It would be really funny if all this time that Izuku's percentage was stated, but we didn't know due to the translation.
 
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When I saw that I interpreted it as him using 100% during the fight due to the “out of 100” then goes 120% during overdrive from the extra quirks. Always though it’d be weird if it’s a lower percentage since he wasn’t saying “120 out of 45%” unless I’m getting confused.

Translations wise, the English sub of the anime used the “120 out of 100” line while the English dub just says he’s going beyond his limits.
 
120% out of 45% wouldn't make sense to begin with. Since that'd be 54%.

The interpretation I brought up is that he's saying 100% because that's OFA's full power. 120% out of 100% is 120% after all. We know the intent of the statement, that Izuku's Overdrive is equivalent to 120% of OFA. However, saying that the "out of 100%" line also means Izuku was using 100% is a bit different.

We already agree that Izuku is using 100%, due to other available evidence.

120% out of 100% is redundant, but that the point of the statement. In other manga I've even seen 100% out of 100%.

Pretty sure the intent just means his power is equivalent to 120%, and it isn't stating what his current percent is.
 
Ep 3 was fine. They cut out the slime kids interrogation scene but it's does not add a lot anyway so. Upon rewatching it was their but I forgot lol.

So next episode is gonna be Knuckleduster vs Homeless Junkie. Which looks good from trailers and previews. Well it is his All Might vs Nomu moment so hope it is done well.
 
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CastoriceTheFifth said:
Thoughts on the explanation about what percent Deku was using against Shigaraki?
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I actually have another thread explaining why I believe he was using 45% and not 100%.



Whether or not you see this as the truth or not is fine, I essentially just gave my perspective on the subject based off the information horikoshi gave us. Though I will say, this wouldn't even be a point of contention in the fandom if horikoshi did a better job actually explaining and going more in depth. So in all honesty, I really don't think there's a "right" answer but more of a how you interpret it.
 
I am actually more interested to see how the speedsters are portrayed in Vigilantes especially with Tensei's race against Batto coming up next episode.
 
SlendVeny said:
Totally forgot that Soga was a sex criminal, I really do not like that guy
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No idea why Endeavor can only atone and never be redeemed(Fair assessment), but 10 chapters pass and they're like "hey, Pop, why don't you save the life of this guy who tried to molest you last week? He's still going to act like an asshole, but he regrets it a little bit!"

This guy got off easy, I would've let him rot.
 
I just an interesting perspective on Deku using OFA at 100%. We're never told he used 100%, and the eyes and hair are iffy as far as indicators go. I know there was a thread on this, but I wouldn't say it's super concrete. Now, Deku would go on to do the single greatest feat on the series, in what I agree was a weakened state. However, I think it can be reconciled by putting this at 100%... theorically. I'm personally more inclined to the 100% usage for most of the "final" fight

A statement from a Horikoshi would still be great.
 
Vigilantes Ep 3 had some great action animation. But I no All Might office scene which is literally a whole chapter. Hopefully they have just pushed it forward because that's a pretty great chapter
 
I don't think one bad statement is the end all be all when MHA consistently has numerous blatant very good speed feats a series like JJk on the other hand has numerous statements that cap the verse as well as all their feats generally fall in that subsonic range sometimes that MHA doesn't share. Rusty and Damage may share a differing opinion idk I can't speak for them but personally I don't thing a single bad speed statement should hold much weight compared to many blatant showings and statements that would contradict it in the series
 
CastoriceTheFifth said:
Genuinely what happens if a Mach value gets dropped in it. Does the entire verse’s speed get gutted here.
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Depends on what it is in the first place. While we usually take feats over statements/word of god, it'll depends on what it means.

For example, a statement like the above would be ignored as nonsense. Gearshift is blitzing Prime All Might speed, who is vastly faster than Weakened All Might, who has several clear feats placing him well above the speed of sound. Even ignoring the radio waves or lasers, All Might getting perception blitzed by Mach 3 is absurd.

I highly doubt Horikoshi will give any values in this book. He barely gives anything in universe, and usually keeps thing vague.

I can see something that says Gearshift is far faster than sound, but that doesn't mean anything for our ratings. The best we can get is a possible multiplier.
 
TheRustyOne said:
Depends on what it is in the first place. While we usually take feats over statements/word of god, it'll depends on what it means.

For example, a statement like the above would be ignored as nonsense. Gearshift is blitzing Prime All Might speed, who is vastly faster than Weakened All Might, who has several clear feats placing him well above the speed of sound. Even ignoring the radio waves or lasers, All Might getting perception blitzed by Mach 3 is absurd.

I highly doubt Horikoshi will give any values in this book. He barely gives anything in universe, and usually keeps thing vague.

I can see something that says Gearshift is far faster than sound, but that doesn't mean anything for our ratings. The best we can get is a possible multiplier.
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Everyday I’m thankful that Horikoshi didn’t drop a Mach value in the series. I was not about to hear Deku getting blitzed by the spy x family verse.
 
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