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My Hero Academia General Discussion Thread #18

Acer__ said:
I understand why we don’t use it for downscaling, because it’s a clear contradiction of the feats shown by the characters.
But for upscaling? the difference between 45 and 100 isn’t even 2x, How in the world is Shigaraki, who is FASTER, gonna get blitzed by a less than 2x gap
but sure **** it, I’d like to see Class G 5-30%
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We have no idea how fast something that blitz Shigaraki can be. Every single verse on this wiki follows this policy, we don't make random number scaling. There needs to be evidence and reason, and in fiction you can blitz with a 1.1X gap. I know of character who can make a completely joke out of someone who is only 2X weaker. Just like handling a child, and him being 2X stronger is seen as a massive deal.

Fiction is fiction and isn't going to follow logic 100%. That's why we don't calc stack. (Heck lots of people dislike using multipliers or percentages for anything)

We can't cherry pick and say multipliers/percentages only work when we say they do. That's absurd, they either work or they don't work.

Yeah it's a little absurd, but there is nothing else we can do. Not without going against basic logic such as saying OFA follows actual percentages "sometimes".
 
@TheRustyOne I looked your sandbox again, Ryukyu holding a high end had 5 other heroes in frame So divide the LS amount by 6 (joking here) or we can just bring it to Class G (another joke)
 
TheRustyOne said:
Yeah it's a little absurd, but there is nothing else we can do. Not without going against basic logic such as saying OFA follows actual percentages "sometimes".
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yeah I can understand that, I really just don’t know why 20% (which is over 1000x stronger) isn’t even 4x faster when it follows the percentage leap (also it makes it line up nicely, but that’s only important to me)
 
Acer__ said:
yeah I can understand that, I really just don’t know why 20% (which is over 1000x stronger) isn’t even 4x faster when it follows the percentage leap (also it makes it line up nicely, but that’s only important to me)
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Not arguing against that, percentages just don't make sense in MHA.

Don't get me started on air pressure, pretty sure if we used the inverse square law that Low 6-B punch could be High 6-A or higher. The difference between air pressure and the direct punch is far more massive than what is actually shown in universe.
 
TheRustyOne said:
Not arguing against that, percentages just don't make sense.

Don't get me started on air pressure, pretty sure if we used the inverse square law that Low 6-B punch could be High 6-A or higher. The difference between air pressure and the direct punch is far more massive than what is actually shown in universe.
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I mean we could get a maybe? (This is a joke)
anyways, on the topic of Ryukyu, yeah I can count 5(?) other heroes in there but only Rock Lock and Gran Torino seem to be helping (So live divide it by 6, divide it by 3, bring it to classG or keep it class M, your choice)
also, on Deku’s slingshot thing he did in 366, can we like, get a distance by measuring floating fortress and making a triangle? (Like there is that one big shot, I use one of the two on the far ends, because it feels like I’m going from One to another, ya know like that ”objects in distance are larger than they appear“ cause they’re far away, something like that)
 
I'll be checking out Izuku's slingshot myself later on. Though it's possible Shigaraki was only caught off guard, meaning any calc could become bunk

I say the issue with Ryukyu is that she appeared and held on to the Nomu, but Endeavor quickly killed it before it could move. They didn't struggle against each other.

So I find it hard to say anything else.
 
TheRustyOne said:
I'll be checking out Izuku's slingshot myself later on. Though it's possible Shigaraki was only caught off guard, meaning any calc could become bunk
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Isnt that the point of using top of the line reaction speeds? They werent fast enough And thus caught off guard.
TheRustyOne said:
I say the issue with Ryukyu is that she appeared and held on to the Nomu, but Endeavor quickly killed it before it could move. They didn't struggle against each other.

So I find it hard to say anything else.
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I mean but she did hold it, and it didn’t break out we’ve both seen weaker justifications before.

but BIGGER NEWS according to some news sources (I can’t choose so if you want them I’ll just give them all) the US has laser weapons technology (Like the Iron Beam, and given that these are scientists who are making them, I feel like it’s pretty good to say that they’re probably photon lasers).

So I mean, it’s plausible for the lasers on S&S’s ships to be SoL? (Maybe maybe not, but we also have an MHS+ feat from Bakugou as a low ball given that Prime AM is far faster than shockwaves which according to google and Wikipedia, which is enough for this place move Mach 1.2, and far faster than the 20% Deku which uses them), so either way it’s not out of them realm of possibility to have that laser feat exist and be useable
quick rusty grab your Relatvistic+ Anime AFO calc I saw, nothing in the manga contradicts 1 microsecond
(Maz suggested using Nagant’s bullet speed because 45% is comparable combat speed wise to them, but that’s for you to decide)
 
Acer__ said:
Isnt that the point of using top of the line reaction speeds? They werent fast enough And thus caught off guard.
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No, being caught off guard means your reaction time is slower. Which is very much true in reality and used to varying degrees in fiction.

If you aren't expecting something you won't be able to react to something you normally can. However I admit I doubt this will be the case here, considering what he used and how he uses it. It isn't something he can spam. I'm just saying as a possible precaution, I'll still be treating it like a blitz though.

I personally believe the fighter jets lasers are SoL. Just no one scales to them as of yet and the wiki doesn't accept it either.
 
TheRustyOne said:
I personally believe the fighter jets lasers are SoL. Just no one scales to them as of yet and the wiki doesn't accept it either.
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Oh no I more meant the calc the Cloverdragon(?) did for catching the laser (I personally think that she did catch it, she just had to use her quirk to make them tangible couldn't have got it otherwise, because she has to touch the object to apply the rule), it got a Sub Rel Result, if we can get the Lasers confirmed SoL that'll scale, and Bakugou's near sub rel result means it's not an outlier (attack from a character lower than the All Might Level gets to MHS+ ergo, All Might tier can get to Sub Rel, or smth like that)
 
TheRustyOne said:
Depends on the anime, which can end up showing nothing if they just make it a still frame with a zoom out.
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Yo Rusty we should do the inverse square law, I mean this place dies want us to use physics right?
but also like is the calc he made a bust Or is it just that it can be debated over because of the panel difference?
 
Acer__ said:
Yo Rusty we should do the inverse square law, I mean this place dies want us to use physics right?
but also like is the calc he made a bust Or is it just that it can be debated over because of the panel difference?
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Haven't seen it in so long, but I assume it'd be fine just based on the math.

Since the military jets is what brought Izuku, having them attack with their lasers again is a huge possibility.
 
TheRustyOne said:
Haven't seen it in so long, but I assume it'd be fine just based on the math.

Since the military jets is what brought Izuku, having them attack with their lasers again is a huge possibility.
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I can grab it if you want?
The justifications will need to be updated (Y’kmow US getting photon weaponry and all), but still
Lmao imagine they just outright say “he’s thousands of times faster than our photon laser weaponry”
 
Kingofwolves999 said:
Wait, they let the barrier down for 2 seconds… and the barrier is the reasons none of the villains know where Shigaraki is…

Skeptic and AFO are going to know where Shigaraki is off those 2 seconds and come in to **** shit up aren’t they?
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Well AFO is kinda doing his own thing and probably would fade away before he got there, but he’ll yeah skeptic gonna do work lest another hacker come and stop him. Also King how you feel about the S&S laser calc being legal, not that it will just like how does it feel knowing that it’s no longer an outlier with MHS+ Howitzer Impact
 
Acer__ said:
Well AFO is kinda doing his own thing and probably would fade away before he got there, but he’ll yeah skeptic gonna do work lest another hacker come and stop him. Also King how you feel about the S&S laser calc being legal, not that it will just like how does it feel knowing that it’s no longer an outlier with MHS+ Howitzer Impact
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SnS lasers being legal would be cool if a bit strange. I will, however, say that Star didn’t particularly react to any lasers in the fight, she just kinda let them hit her and then applied rules to them. If the anime comes out and she reacts to the lasers before they hit her then I would be fine scaling people off of her.

If the jet lasers provide even more feats or are reacted to in further chapters, that would be a much better basis than Star, who literally needs the lasers to hit her first to apply rules to them. That doesn’t necessarily mean she CANT react to the lasers before they hit her, just that she needs them to hit her to use her power.
 
Kingofwolves999 said:
SnS lasers being legal would be cool if a bit strange. I will, however, say that Star didn’t particularly react to any lasers in the fight, she just kinda let them hit her and then applied rules to them. If the anime comes out and she reacts to the lasers before they hit her then I would be fine scaling people off of her.

If the jet lasers provide even more feats or are reacted to in further chapters, that would be a much better basis than Star, who literally needs the lasers to hit her first to apply rules to them. That doesn’t necessarily mean she CANT react to the lasers before they hit her, just that she needs them to hit her to use her power.
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I agree with this. During the fight I never saw either Shigaraki or Star reacting to the lasers until they were actually hitting them, so I don't think they should be upgraded to Relativistic or FTL.
 
CiscoTheSoto said:
I agree with this. During the fight I never saw either Shigaraki or Star reacting to the lasers until they were actually hitting them, so I don't think they should be upgraded to Relativistic or FTL.
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The S&S calc would only get them to near baseline sub rel anyways, so it doesnt exactly do anything to get them near rel or FTL
NOW THE ANIME SAYING AFO PREFORMED HIS FEAT IN A MICRO SECOND ON THE OTHER HAND
 
I believe in the Star feat because Star’s hand was outstretched in the panel and a small speech bubble said “LASER”, implying that she at least perceived it (although ended up getting hit)

My opinion is a minority however unfortunately
 
Acer__ said:
The S&S calc would only get them to near baseline sub rel anyways, so it doesnt exactly do anything to get them near rel or FTL
NOW THE ANIME SAYING AFO PREFORMED HIS FEAT IN A MICRO SECOND ON THE OTHER HAND
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Can the anime only stuff not be used? I know that One Piece was allowed to use anime only scene after like 2 years of arguing for it
 
Mazdoesstuff said:
Can the anime only stuff not be used? I know that One Piece was allowed to use anime only scene after like 2 years of arguing for it
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Idk
Mazdoesstuff said:
I believe in the Star feat because Star’s hand was outstretched in the panel and a small speech bubble said “LASER”, implying that she at least perceived it (although ended up getting hit)

My opinion is a minority however unfortunately
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Lmao gonna go and Do that thing where shigaraki jumped from SS Plane to SS Plane and it looked like they barely moved (Military Jet's can move at Mach 3 I believe)
 
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I want to note that the US Government now describes Complete Shigaraki as invincible, which would put him over the Tiamat missiles by default. If they could have worked on him at 98%, it won’t work now.

I assume that it would mean that we can scale Shigaraki to the full Tiamat value (3.62 TT)
 
Mazdoesstuff said:
I want to note that the US Government now describes Complete Shigaraki as invincible, which would put him over the Tiamat missiles by default. If they could have worked on him at 98%, it won’t work now.

I assume that it would mean that we can scale Shigaraki to the full Tiamat value (3.62 TT)
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This would also assist scaling a bit because Shigaraki would be over twice as strong as the top tiers, who scale to 1.54 TT

This wouldn’t apply to Prime AM or AFO, as Current Shiggy is the strongest in the verse (until we see more of Deku)
 
Mazdoesstuff said:
I want to note that the US Government now describes Complete Shigaraki as invincible, which would put him over the Tiamat missiles by default. If they could have worked on him at 98%, it won’t work now.

I assume that it would mean that we can scale Shigaraki to the full Tiamat value (3.62 TT)
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Because the missiles fail to kill him once, that's why they believe there is nothing that can stop him as of yet. They are unaware of Shigaraki's growth or how his body works, just what they saw during the fight with Star and Stripe and their speculation. They don't know his full capabilities.

No we are not scaling Shigaraki to that value, someone above 1.54 TT would be able to survive a direct hit from a 3.62 TT attack even without regeneration. He lacks zero reason to assume the missiles cannot damage him or slightly damage him, which is what scaling him to 3.62 TT would mean.
 
TheRustyOne said:
Because the missiles fail to kill him once, that's why they believe there is nothing that can stop him as of yet. They are unaware of Shigaraki's growth or how his body works, just what they saw during the fight with Star and Stripe and their speculation. They don't know his full capabilities.
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Isn’t the fight being live-streamed tho? I saw someone say that
 
Huh what did I come back to, well I guess I was gonna jokingly talk about the Tiamat missiles so eh

@Therefir Add the heat energy from the missiles to there total AP, doing some quickly google math and it telling me explosives have a density of like 2 g/cm3 or 2000 kg/m3, it should have a good heat energy to add, then we can use the original 7959 Gigaton result you did with me joke math. (again this is all a joke)
on a more serious topic, the current Ang siz measuring formula is (x * y) / (z * 2sin(70/2deg))? With X being the size of object, y being the panel height in pixels and z being the length of the object in pixels? Or is it tangent?
 
Man, I really can't wait for Deku vs Shigaraki. Everyone else could barely take a hit from Shiggy in this fight and at least with Deku we don't have that issue. I don't see him being at a disadvantage until Shiggy regains his quirks (that's probably when we will get the 2nd's quirk reveal).
 
Acer__ said:
VH is short hand for villain hunter Deku
I also thing it’s because he’s talking about the “Speed like All Might sometime in the past” or something. Which I guess is true it never specifies which period
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When i said vh im referring to the villain hunt arc and the statement im reffering to is in ch 317(idk how to post pictures😭)
 
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