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My Hero Academia General Discussion Thread #18

Maybe instead of being excitable fellows hotshotting CRTs, we can just make a major revision down the line when the arc is finished. Which is probably said like 10 million times now.

Save that energy for later.
 
SuperStar said:
vKp6aCc.jpg

Can we use the Deku render on the right for his Gamma Pic? We could also use the same for Bakugo and his Normal Hero Costume
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only found one for bakugo
 
Mazdoesstuff said:
High Hypersonic+ (Evaded a hit from Shigaraki’s hand constructs)
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Yeah, I have an issue with this.

Just because he evaded a hit from Shigaraki's hand constructs does not mean he is High Hypersonic+ In order to derive any sort of quantitative value from that, you'd need to know the time frame in which it took for Mirio to dodge Shigaraki's hands, and find out how much distance he covered at the same time.

Just saying he dodged something that is moving at High Hypersonic+ speeds doesn't make him that tier, even if you're referring to combative speeds. Theoretically, anybody could dodge a supersonic projectile if they're far enough away from it and have enough time to react. Bullets, railguns, hell, literal asteroids, doesn't matter. So saying Mirio would scale to Shigaraki's hands in terms of speed is really not saying much, really.
 
Earthyboy said:
Yeah, I have an issue with this.

Just because he evaded a hit from Shigaraki's hand constructs does not mean he is High Hypersonic+ In order to derive any sort of quantitative value from that, you'd need to know the time frame in which it took for Mirio to dodge Shigaraki's hands, and find out how much distance he covered at the same time.

Just saying he dodged something that is moving at High Hypersonic+ speeds doesn't make him that tier, even if you're referring to combative speeds. Theoretically, anybody could dodge a supersonic projectile if they're far enough away from it and have enough time to react. Bullets, railguns, hell, literal asteroids, doesn't matter. So saying Mirio would scale to Shigaraki's hands in terms of speed is really not saying much, really.
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Okay, he evaded a hit from Shigaraki’s hand constructs up close, which are fast enough to tag Mirko: if that makes all the difference, then sure.

There is no calc to be made using distance/time; because doing so is calc stacking. He scales to Shigaraki’s hands, because he dodged and kept up with them. What you’re mentioning doesn’t make any sense
 
Earthyboy said:
Yeah, I have an issue with this.

Just because he evaded a hit from Shigaraki's hand constructs does not mean he is High Hypersonic+ In order to derive any sort of quantitative value from that, you'd need to know the time frame in which it took for Mirio to dodge Shigaraki's hands, and find out how much distance he covered at the same time.

Just saying he dodged something that is moving at High Hypersonic+ speeds doesn't make him that tier, even if you're referring to combative speeds. Theoretically, anybody could dodge a supersonic projectile if they're far enough away from it and have enough time to react. Bullets, railguns, hell, literal asteroids, doesn't matter. So saying Mirio would scale to Shigaraki's hands in terms of speed is really not saying much, really.
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Bro what

He’s reacting to and dodging the hands to the point he can make parts of himself intangible to evade them and keep other parts tangible to hit the main body.

He scales to the hands which can tag Mirko and Nejire, who scale to High Ends.

Idk what the calc stuff matters for him just scaling
 
Watch this prediction:

Bakugou gets a new form called Explosion God: Perses, where he essentially turns into explosive energy like Number 6, and he can generate extra explosions from anywhere on his body
 
Kingofwolves999 said:
He’s reacting to and dodging the hands to the point he can make parts of himself intangible to evade them and keep other parts tangible to hit the main body.

He scales to the hands which can tag Mirko and Nejire, who scale to High Ends.

Idk what the calc stuff matters for him just scaling
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Okay, he can evade them, nice. Why on Earth does that make him scale in the sense that his limbs or body could move at similar speeds to Shigaraki's hands?

HHS+ is basically anything above Mach 50.

Just because you can dodge a projectile shooting at you at a certain speed, doesn't mean you're as fast as the projectile.

A normal human can't just dodge a bullet from 200 meters away and say their reaction time is supersonic. That's dumb, and above all else, that's not how speed works in conjunction with distance and time. This is actually a general problem with how VSBW views combative and reaction-based speed feats.
 
Earthyboy said:
Okay, he can evade them, nice. Why on Earth does that make him scale in the sense that his limbs or body could move at similar speeds to Shigaraki's hands?

HHS+ is basically anything above Mach 50.

Just because you can dodge a projectile shooting at you at a certain speed, doesn't mean you're as fast as the projectile.

A normal human can't just dodge a bullet from 200 meters away and say their reaction time is supersonic. That's dumb, and above all else, that's not how speed works in conjunction with distance and time. This is actually a general problem with how VSBW views combative and reaction-based speed feats.
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So your problem is the site not the scaling.

Make a CRT and **** up every verse here then, don’t do it in the MHA general thread for no reason
 
Earthyboy said:
Okay, he can evade them, nice. Why on Earth does that make him scale in the sense that his limbs or body could move at similar speeds to Shigaraki's hands?

HHS+ is basically anything above Mach 50.

Just because you can dodge a projectile shooting at you at a certain speed, doesn't mean you're as fast as the projectile.

A normal human can't just dodge a bullet from 200 meters away and say their reaction time is supersonic. That's dumb, and above all else, that's not how speed works in conjunction with distance and time. This is actually a general problem with how VSBW views combative and reaction-based speed feats.
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Ratio

I hope you understand that a calculation CAN’T be made, because doing so would be calc stacking. Mirio scales to the hands because he dodged them from up close, and they were able to tag High Hypersonic+ characters.

That’s literally how scaling works.
 
If you care so much, make a thread proposing to change how VS Wiki treats combative speed feats; complaining here will literally not help you with anything
 
Kingofwolves999 said:
So your problem is the site not the scaling.

Make a CRT and **** up every verse here then, don’t do it in the MHA general thread for no reason
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I'll probably do just that eventually.

It probably wouldn't even **** up anything, but okay.

Mazdoesstuff said:
If you care so much, make a thread proposing to change how VS Wiki treats combative speed feats; complaining here will literally not help you with anything
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Sure, why not. I just wanted to make sure if I wasn't the only one who noticed that something was funky here at first.
 
Although I think scaling off AOE is a bit fallacious, I notice how some verses have a really weird issue with it

Aizen from Bleach is High 4-C in his final evolution, yet his casual attacks are barely able to slice apart mountains
 
Earthyboy said:
Okay, he can evade them, nice. Why on Earth does that make him scale in the sense that his limbs or body could move at similar speeds to Shigaraki's hands?

HHS+ is basically anything above Mach 50.

Just because you can dodge a projectile shooting at you at a certain speed, doesn't mean you're as fast as the projectile.

A normal human can't just dodge a bullet from 200 meters away and say their reaction time is supersonic. That's dumb, and above all else, that's not how speed works in conjunction with distance and time. This is actually a general problem with how VSBW views combative and reaction-based speed feats.
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Ngl Id love to see you try and tear down the whole system 💀 Good luck
 
Mazdoesstuff said:
Even besides his casual attacks, his Fragor explosions (which were some of his strongest moves) did nothing more than pulverizing some canyons
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All Might's strongest attack only caused a city block sized tornado and he's 7-A and supposedly High 6-C in Rusty's sandbox.

We don't have to look at other verses beyond our backyard to see "weird issues" with AOE and AP.
 
Metalballrun said:
All Might's strongest attack only caused a city block sized tornado and he's 7-A and supposedly High 6-C in Rusty's sandbox.

We don't have to look at other verses beyond our backyard to see "weird issues" with AOE and AP.
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That was All Might's strongest attack at his weakest. He literally ran dry of power after using it so if he is like a battery, he was on the last charge.

The Detroit Smash weather punch in chapter 1 is still more impressive than 99.99% of feats in the manga. Even Deku & Shigaraki don't have striking feats of that level outside the movies for Deku. Shigaraki hasn't shown any impressive raw physical strength AOE from striking feats yet despite all the statements comparing him to All Might.

Probably only Star showed feats around that level in terms of how impressive they are on the page.
 
Gitagon said:
That was All Might's strongest attack at his weakest. He literally ran dry of power after using it so if he is like a battery, he was on the last charge.
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It's still All Might's supposedly strongest attack and neither the series nor the wiki treats it as significantly weaker than his first Detroit Smash enough to warrant tier change.

And whatever that is, is irrelevant to the discussion Maz brought up about Tiers not matching the actual destruction shown on page. And speaking of actual on-screen or on-panel destruction, we don't see a lot of that in the MHA manga either.
 
Honestly, even with Deku & Shigaraki getting multiple "comparable to All Might" statements, they haven't really earned their stripes with on page feats.

Speed:

For Deku, at least his Faux 100% is impressive visually. He can statue Overhaul who had no issues blitzing Rappa, outspeed Nagant's bullets (and Nagant pretty much has speedster perception herself considering she seems able to track even her fastest bullets). Plus obviously requiring entire 1A to combine moves including zero gravity, cluster, turbo, Flashfreeze Heatwave, reducing friction, super-strength, etc just to catch up to him.

Shigaraki on the other hand doesn't have any impressive speed feats. We only know that he is vaguely faster than Gran Torino & 45% Deku but not by how much. Characters like Endeavor & Ryukyu had no issue with his speed in war arc & now he got nerfed with the Singularity hands which are below his main body in stats.

Also while All Might doesn't have that many speed feats in the main manga, he has some crazy shit in Vigilantes that straight up make him feel unstoppable. Deku & Shigaraki haven't replicated that kind of power or speed yet.

Strength: this is where both fall extremely short.

Neither Shigaraki nor Deku have a superstrength feat (outside the movies) comparable even to weakened All Might. Just something simple like levelling multiple city blocks casually in exam arc; they don't have that. Like Shiggy's air pressure should have been able to at least level the 2 UA buildings inside the floating coffin.

Defence: This is probably the only stat where Shigaraki has more feats than All Might. Hori loves brutalizing Shiggy so he has had him tank tons of damage since war arc through a combination of the Nomu body and super-regen.
 
Prior to All Might's plasma-punching feat in Vigilantes, which I'm not certain that it resolves the issue, it was still pretty funny and problematic for some that High Ends being comparable to All Might's durability meant Endeavor can do to All Might what he did to those Nomus if he lands a direct hit with killing intent.

We know he can do the same to AFO, at least the AFO at his weakest.
 
Gitagon said:
The Detroit Smash weather punch in chapter 1 is still more impressive than 99.99% of feats in the manga. Even Deku & Shigaraki don't have striking feats of that level outside the movies for Deku.
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The only thing All Might did in Chapter 1 was create an updraft. Besides, that Detroit Smash did not even land on anything. When Izuku throws punches, he lands them. All Might's punches carry major collateral damage because he weaponizes his AoE with his big ol' muscles; he operates like early Izuku, primarily concentrating his strength into his fists, and not like Full Cowl Izuku.
 
Can a possible calc be made for Overhaul arc Deku? He statued Overhaul who has blatant supersonic perception (Can easily outpace Rappa, who has fists compared to bullets), and he did so by traveling dozens of meters
 
Mazdoesstuff said:
Can a possible calc be made for Overhaul arc Deku? He statued Overhaul who has blatant supersonic perception (Can easily outpace Rappa, who has fists compared to bullets), and he did so by traveling dozens of meters
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Does anyone know the distance Deku travelled when he disappeared from Overhaul’s POV?
 
If you're talking about the conversation earlier, I'm pretty sure they were brought up, and their existence wasn't denied at all.

If you're talking about places like r/WhoWouldWin, then it's because 90% of people who talk about MHA there has never read MHA.
 
I just reread a part of the entrance exam and just noticed this:

This random child, might be Iida, due to the exhaust coming out of the back of the leg, just kicks away what looks like a missile from close range.

How fast could this be? Ignore all outlier logic and wank it to maximum.
 
Nullflowerblush said:
The only thing All Might did in Chapter 1 was create an updraft. Besides, that Detroit Smash did not even land on anything. When Izuku throws punches, he lands them. All Might's punches carry major collateral damage because he weaponizes his AoE with his big ol' muscles; he operates like early Izuku, primarily concentrating his strength into his fists, and not like Full Cowl Izuku.
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The last sentence is false.

All Might uses OFA identically to Deku‘s full cowl. He doesn’t concentrate the power anywhere. The power is in all his body at the same time.

That’s why he doesn’t get absolutely skewered by AFO stabbing him in the back. “Full Cowl” is just the NORMAL WAY to use OFA.
 
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