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[Murder Drones] Cyn 3-A Downgrade & small Absolute Solver tiering change

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In this CRT, Cyn was given "up to 3-A with the Absolute Solver" for 3 main things:
First: In the Episode 7, we have some important informations, the scientists wrote that the singularity (the Absolute Solver) is consuming everything, this alone could be vague, however, in the same wall we can see another poster saying "time to the universe big crunch" with a countdown calendar there showing the number 87, and countdown calendars usually works by days, so... in 87 days the Absolute Solver was going to cause a big crunch, and for these who doesnt know what a big crunch is... well, it's basically the collapse of the entire universe

Also, in an official ad made by Glitch itself, it's stated that "the world is ending and reality is breaking apart" in reference to the solver, and again, the statement alone could be vague, but we don't have just that statement alone, as I showed here, also, the Solver claims to be "the solver of the absolute fabric, the void, the exponential end"

Also, as we can see in the Episode 6, Tessa (actually it's Cyn) told N that he would have to choose the entire Universe over a little drone, and since it's literally Cyn talking here, we don't have any reason to believe that she's not able to destroy/eat the entire universe, the statement alone could be vague, but since we have all the previous evidences I guess it's safe to believe the Absolute Solver is Universal
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However these arguments have some overlooked issues and is outright wrong entirely. Let's get into the issues:

The first scan comes from a poster that says time to universe big crunch that is seen in the background here. Not only was it officially stated to be part of a series of subtly added memes/sneaky references (clearly being a joke on "WAS THAT THE BITE OF 87!??", crunch, 87), but those posters at that moment are from the time of when humans were on the planet researching and doing stuff within the cabin fever cathedral, meaning this statement was made before the core of the planet even blew up and before humans on Copper 9 were killed off, with uzi being treated as an infant around this time period. The issue with this? Uzi is currently 18-20 years old based on their classmates, meaning the 87 day big crunch stuff is simply just not true.

This also goes again the point of how single singularities dont go beyond the scope of a planet as seen with Earth's singularity not expanding beyond it, and Cyn had to make multiple of them to destroy other planets humans were on, and Copper 9 was simply their latest target as thats the entire point of the series. It also appears that even for just a singular singularity created for the destruction of Copper 9, it is overtime as obviously Cyn was stopped before Copper 9 was completely obliterated to the scale of how Earth was, despite them clearly doing some damage.

Overall, it doesn't align up with the timeline of the series at all, with multiple years passing with nothing near a big crunch but single overtime singularities destroying planets overtime, and is clearly a joke alongside many of the other posters as officially stated.

Regarding "the world is ending and reality is breaking apart",

this is dramatic promotional material hype up purposely meant to contrast with the silly plush follow up of the video, and even then world is clearly refering to Copper 9 considering the context of episode 8 and the solver already warps reality with stuff like nulls and how we see them manipulation information/code to manipulate reality, so this still wouldnt prove its universal. It also calling itself "the exponential end" also doesn't really mean much as again, its going to end all life as they did with humans.

Regarding Tessa telling N that he would have to choose the entire Universe over a little drone,

this is refering to how nothing will be able to stop Cyn and they eventually wipe everything out in terms of life with what we contextually see is via singularities that destroy single planets at the time as mentioned above.

Overall, this feat shouldn't be included at all and should just be removed entirely as it simply isn't legitimate.

It should also be noted on profiles that the current High 4-C calc the solvers scaled to is its capabilities overtime that it needs to grow into as explained above, and any other powers such as Nulls that they can do more instantly are presented around Tier 6 (at least from my eyeballing of it). Therefore characters such as Uzi's, Doll's, and Cyn's Absolute Solver part of the profile tiering should be "Tier 6 (idk which tier, probably needs a calc), up to High 4-C with Absolute Solver"

Agree - FinePoint, TyranoDoom30, Mythic381, The_golden_and_silver_house94, HenshinIntervention, LemonedEyes

Disagree - TugiaTheNarrator
 
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I absolutely disagree

Firstly, just bc its a joke doesn't mean it's fake. By this logic, BFDI scaling would fall apart since most of its op feats are simply jokes. Secondly,
they probably were referring to it being capable of doing it, but maybe the solver had other plans first (like to take control of all infectants)

As for it not expanding past it, it probably did, it's just that photo was taken from when it was expanding

So yeah Cyn and Uzi stay 3-A
 
TugiaTheNarrator said:
I absolutely disagree

Firstly, just bc its a joke doesn't mean it's fake. By this logic, BFDI scaling would fall apart since most of its op feats are simply jokes.
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Except theres further context i explained pointing towards it being unreliable, such as how its literally WRONG and doesnt happen in 87 days AT ALL as shown with uzis age. the joke point just adds to how they werent treating the poster literally due to it just being a reference to the bite of 87 and its just a fun background detail. everything the solver had done is no where NEAR the scope of 3-a, even with all their combined damage from over a decade. BFDI is a much more cartoony show from my observation so that is a very bad comparison to make, and youre comparing actual tangible feats vs a joke statement thats literally wrong (at least im assuming so idk anything about bfdi)
Secondly,
they probably were referring to it being capable of doing it, but maybe the solver had other plans first (like to take control of all infectants)
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This is headcanon just to steer away from the fact that the statement is just outright wrong, the solver just wants to assimilate and destroy everything such as every planet with some form of life. And the fact that they didn't do the feat for basically a few DECADES passing just shows that they are wrong and the statement is therefore not a reliable source. taking the poster literally, those are just things from the humans of the past, humans can make wrong statements. This is further debunked by the external context we get regarding HOW they destroyed each planet overtime 1 by 1 with them needing a singularity per planet. their scope clearly doesnt go beyond that and they need to make one per planet, as shown with them literally making a new one just to destroy copper 9

As for it not expanding past it, it probably did, it's just that photo was taken from when it was expanding
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Wrong, it literally says its LIVE from a satellite that wasnt destroyed. And you did not address the fact that this is something they need to build up OVERTIME. they very clearly do not have the capabilities to insta nuke the entire planet with a singularity as shown in the end of pisode 7 and episode 8, otherwise none of the characters would have been able to stop cyn as it all would have been destroyed already. in the end we just got this massive hole.

Therefore, nothing they do goes beyond single planets, and they need to travel to each one invidually to perform their feats, overtime. This is no where near 3-a, nor is the evidence to even suggest 3-a reliable at all.
 
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AlloyAmi said:
This is headcanon just to steer away from the fact that the statement is just outright wrong, the solver just wants to assimilate and destroy everything such as every planet with some form of life. And the fact that they didn't do the feat for basically a few DECADES passing just shows that they are wrong and the statement is therefore not a reliable source. taking the poster literally, those are just things from the humans of the past, humans can make wrong statements. This is further debunked by the external context we get regarding HOW they destroyed each planet overtime 1 by 1 with them needing a singularity per planet. their scope clearly doesnt go beyond that and they need to make one per planet, as shown with them literally making a new one just to destroy copper 9
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There is a difference between Cyn and the AS itself

Cyn created the black hole while the AS is literally a sentient black hole itself
 
TugiaTheNarrator said:
There is a difference between Cyn and the AS itself

Cyn created the black hole while the AS is literally a sentient black hole itself
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Cyn is merely just the host for the solver and the solver has complete control over them and their actions and used to them to do whatever they wanted. it taking over cyn is how it all began and how earth was destroyed, then humans from other planets tried studying it to try to attempt understand it but also ended up losing the battle. The AS itself very clearly isnt doing anything without the help of hosts, not to mention its literally one with cyn
 
AlloyAmi said:
Cyn is merely just the host for the solver and the solver has complete control over them and their actions and used to them to do whatever they wanted. it taking over cyn is how it all began and how earth was destroyed, then humans from other planets tried studying it to try to attempt understand it but also ended up losing the battle.
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Exactly, she is merely the host, therefore the solver itself is 3-A
 
TugiaTheNarrator said:
Exactly, she is merely the host, therefore the solver itself is 3-A
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thats not what that means?? anything the solver is able to do was via cya, who do you think destroyed those planets? its literally one with cyn, and all of its feats involve her. the solver isnt doing some side job, the stuff cyn did is what it was doing and what it can do as its literally one with her. and you haven't addressed the issues with 3-a at all.
 
speaking of the solver, as suggested near the bottom of the crt, the current high 4-c calc the solvers scaled to is its capabilities overtime that it needs to grow into as explained above, and any other powers such as nulls that they can do more instantly are presented around tier 6, therefore characters such as uzi's solver part of the profile should be "Tier 6(idk which tier, probably needs a calc), up to high 4-c with absolute solver
 
is there a reason nulls are treated as black holes outside of them looking like them? they dont really function like black holes a majority of the time and are moreso just used for some weird hax that kinda just literally nullifies space either by literally stopping it in reality or quite literall explode or dura neg destroying whatevers there and has been shown turning things into some weird organic glop so im not sure how we should treat that. they also have been used as slicing disks.

heres all the diffirent usages of it to help come to a conclusion because im a bit torn on it:

this is the closest thing to a black hole appearance i found overall along with this and if thats fine then sure but they seem to act differently across its usage and are moreso created as a byproduct of the null instead of being the null itself in these 2 situations.

null creating an explosion

null warping space and turning the surrounding area to organic waste

another explosion

explosion

nulls being used as discs that can slice through anything and can just open a hole where it was summoned behind n (This is what tugia used for their calc)

same as above

a (null? likely is the singularity to destroy the planet which would probably be overall seperate) being used to create giant tentacles that can tear apart the planet, though this is likely the one that took them some time to do.

a null being used as a projectile that can go through a planet

this projectile also caused whatever hit to have an error and literally be frozen in reality

nulls being used as projectiles and they create explosions that disperse clouds

null creates a hole through the planet with a piercing beam of light

not sure how the core should be differentiated but it can stop time and also reduce things hit into organic waste

overall they seem to have some weird dura neg, spatial manip, transmutation or matter manip (for the organic thing idk) and likely information manip with how it can just cause an error with reality which is kinda consistent with how the solver manipulates reality like code for its hax.

im not against it being a "black hole" but i feel like this should be disucussed and evaluated as nearly all of its occurances simply dont function as one, including the one used for the main calc on the page.
 
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AlloyAmi said:
whats everyones opinions regarding the nulls and black hole stuff?
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[NULL]s are fine. In-verse they seemed to be controlled which is why they have varying levels of AP or don't destroy the planet instantly.

However you can nuke the uni meta off Uzi and Cyn's profile. Imagine waiting 87 days to 87 years to destroy the universe.
 
AlloyAmi said:
speaking of the solver, as suggested near the bottom of the crt, the current high 4-c calc the solvers scaled to is its capabilities overtime that it needs to grow into as explained above, and any other powers such as nulls that they can do more instantly are presented around tier 6, therefore characters such as uzi's solver part of the profile should be "Tier 6(idk which tier, probably needs a calc), up to high 4-c with absolute solver
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I agree with that part tho, but it's not Tier 6 it's 5-A cuz of this accepted calc
 
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