Multi stellar bleach LS upgrade

[Specterxxxx]

LS upgrade for squad zero level characters

This is going to be a straightfoward and simple CRT and I recommend reading everything before making any comment to avoid confusion.

INTRODUCTION

The Main premise of the CRT is to evaluate the low 4C feat achieved by senna back in the memories of nobody movie as the feat also falls under our Lifting strength guidelines and thus characters who scale above the feat via feats and narrative implications would scale as default and should be added to their profiles.

FEAT IMPLICATIONS

The lifting strength of the feat in question results from dividing the energy (joules) from the calc 2.29143e41 Joules by the distance 2466.46 × 1000m then multiplying the resulting force (9.29035946E+34 N) by 2 (since its two planets) resulting in 1.85807189E+35  N (multi stellar level) for the following characters:

• Senna
• Ichigo (post true zanpakuto)
• Soul king adyneus
• Aizen
• Yhwach
• Ichibei
• Senjumaru
• Oetsu
• Tenjiro
• Kirio
• Uryu
• Renji
• Kenpachi
• Hikone
• Ginjou

SCALING REASONS AND JUSTIFICATIONS

In past CRTs before the senjumaru upscale, it was determined that the God tiers [I.e characters that scale to and above the reio] scale above the senna feat and this would logically imply that their LS would scale above said feats and anyone who scale to the God tiers would also scale as well. These are the following characters that would get this rating and the justification for their rating which can be added to their profiles. Furthermore, majority of the evidences surporting their ratings are already in the profiles so i will simply tag their profiles in their sections rather than linking new scans.

Spoiler: Senna

Starting with the obvious is senna herself since she did the feat but she would scale with her blanks and not physically

Spoiler: Reio

Him being the world's Lynch pin should be superior to senna (essentially the same justification we had him scale to her AP)

Spoiler: Ichigo

Pre time skip ichigo would scale after the dangai training as he is physically superior to 4th evolution aizen who is stated to surpass the soul king. Whereas post time skip ichigo would scale after passing the soul king test as he should be comparable to the soul king and should be much higher with Bankai and hollowfication. Note this means fullbring ichigo wouldn't scale

Spoiler: Aizen

Would scale after his 2nd Evolution (crushed the cleaner), implied to be equal to the soul king and later surpassed the soul king in his 4th evolution, should be higher with kido attacks as he believed his hado 90 could crush ichigo when regular attacks could not. Should also be the same case with his muken version since he is stated to become stronger

Spoiler: Yhwach

Clashed with true shikai ichigo and physically dominated him multiple times, higher after he absorbed reio

Spoiler: Uryu

(After his awakening) Clashed physically with true shikai ichigo in two seperate fights should be more than enough to justify multi stellar LS rating.

Spoiler: Senjumaru

(would only scale at full power) Restrained Uryu in their second fight with her fabric

Spoiler: Ichibei

Would automatically scale as he is stronger than the rest of the squad zero members at their full power, would extend to his kido as well

Spoiler: Rest of squad zero

The likes of Oetsu, Tenjiro and hikifune would scale to full power senjumaru at their full power

Spoiler: Renji

He would scale post royal palace training in his shikai and bankai as uryu had to strengthen his bow to block his shikai launch attack. Should be higher with bankai as he dominated and physically restrained base uryu and restrained volstanding uryu for 20 seconds with Hihi tensho

Spoiler: Cyfow

The likes of hikone, cyfow kenpachi, Ikomikomodoe and possibly ginjou would scale as they are relative to the likes of Aizen and ichigo

CONCLUSION

The multi stellar rating once again comes from a lifting strength/AP feat from senna and since we already accept these characters and anyone who scale to them to scale above senna's AP. Then this conclusion should extend to their LS as well. Note that I am only scaling people who scale to the soul king and squad zero. I am not scaling people who scale to the gremmy feat despite being above senna's in AP as they are not narratively implied to be superior to the LS like the ones I called are and thus wouldn't be given such ratings. However if one can make the argument I would recommend another CRT be created for those characters.


AGREE:








DISAGREE:

 

[Ralp0054]

the LS that the characters in the verse had was already ridiculous and very low
(To be fair, I decided to follow for now.)

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

Uhhh why are you using units in joules for lifting strength?


Also the calc is from the creation of a dimension it doesn’t index any LS feat to begin with, you would need a calc that indexes the lifting strength from the ejection of celestial bodies in this case (assuming that’s what Senna did?) and then apply it to profiles after it’s evaluated

 

[DavidTPPM]

Man…

 

[HelloThere1089]

Forget about these haters. I agree with them having a lifting strength of 54 Quettatons of chocolate milkshake.

 

[Specterxxxx]

Before I address anyone I must first make an apology, i meant to input the LS feat instead of just the raw AP. It must have skipped my mind, I have been working on other AP focused CRTs so I must have made the mistake because of that reason. I have made the corrections on the post and fixed it for scrutiny.

Also the reason why I didn't make a blog was because of how very small and simple the LS calc is since we didn't need a blog calc for the previous senjumaru feat (the CRT arc made) so I didn't think we need this one too. Hopefully the one who made the calc can attach the LS in the fandom blog or attach this one to the LS section either way works for me.

 

[Apotheosis69]

Considering Reiryoku and thus Reiatsu is a UES, I dont see why this can't be used

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

Okay so a few issues with your new proposal is that

You only divide by distance travelled from the resultant KE energy, Arc's one isn't even KE related, it's the creation of a dimension containing a star so you can't apply the force = work / distance formula because there is no force to begin with and you are taking "distance travelled" from an entirely different calc, granted the second calc does have KE and the resultant force would come out to like e29ish newtons (pre stellar LS), the bigger issue is....we don't accept the realms to planets anymore, they're all individually treated as Low-2C and separated by space and time, so to have this at all, you'd have to downgrade the realms back to planets which by extension would downgrade Senjumarus feat to below country level

You could maybe try doing a recalc with universal mass I guess...

 

[Maniaunavailable]

not a calc guy but why are you using units in joules for lifting strength?

 

[Specterxxxx]

Okay so a few issues with your new proposal is that

You only divide by distance travelled from the resultant KE energy, Arc's one isn't even KE related, it's the creation of a dimension containing a star so you can't apply the force = work / distance formula because there is no force to begin with

I am fine with using uskslaverei's KE for now if that's what we all agree with to be used.

and you are taking "distance travelled" from an entirely different calc, granted the second calc does have KE and the resultant force would come out to like e29ish newtons (pre stellar LS), the bigger issue is....we don't accept the realms to planets anymore, they're all individually treated as Low-2C and separated by space and time, so to have this at all, you'd have to downgrade the realms back to planets which by extension would downgrade Senjumarus feat to below country level

I merely used it because the wiki already accepted senna to push back planets, I planned on making a CRT regarding this issue another time but since we already consider them to be low 2C, I can close this CRT and make a larger one.

You could maybe try doing a recalc with universal mass I guess...

This seems more likely, if we consider the realms that she affected to be universes

 

[Specterxxxx]

not a calc guy but why are you using units in joules for lifting strength?

I changed it a long time ago.

 

[SilentBob34]

Okay so a few issues with your new proposal is that

You only divide by distance travelled from the resultant KE energy, Arc's one isn't even KE related, it's the creation of a dimension containing a star so you can't apply the force = work / distance formula because there is no force to begin with and you are taking "distance travelled" from an entirely different calc, granted the second calc does have KE and the resultant force would come out to like e29ish newtons (pre stellar LS), the bigger issue is....we don't accept the realms to planets anymore, they're all individually treated as Low-2C and separated by space and time, so to have this at all, you'd have to downgrade the realms back to planets which by extension would downgrade Senjumarus feat to below country level

You could maybe try doing a recalc with universal mass I guess...

I can’t remember exactly, but I’m pretty sure there was a whole debate on whether or not in this instance it was the 2 universes colliding, or just the planets being pulled together because of the valley of the screams. And I thought it was agreed it made more sense for the planets alone being pulled together. Could be wrong though

 

[SilentBob34]

I’m very iffy on a lot of these people scaling. Especially the CFYOW characters. If we’re just going by the whole “Reiatsu equals lifting strength” thing to justify these people scaling, then that contradicts what was said in CFYOW about Meninas having physical strength on par or even surpassing Zaraki’s. Even though her reiatsu is nowhere as high as his is. So unless we accept that reiatsu doesn’t always translate to how much someone can lift, then Meninas, and by extension everyone stronger than her would scale as well. Which is a lot of people lol.

And the verse already has a weird way of scaling LS. Like the justifications for Uryu is he clashed with Ichigo. And the justification for Renji is he clashed with Uryu. As far as I know clashing with someone falls under striking strength, not lifting strength. That’s why the VS battle page says they should be evaluated separately.

The other thing is, this is a massive upgrade compared to any other lifting strength feats the verse has. The closest one on the bleach page is Yhwach lifting the Wandenreich which is Class Z. And that was done by a god tier character(even though I’m pretty sure it can’t be used anymore since the distance used to find it is sorely outdated since the current distance would result in his feat being FTL). Without that, the closest one is Class T from Toshiro freezing one of the falling cities.

All in all, if this were to pass I think only characters that have strictly performed a feat on this level or above should scale. So only Ichigo, Yhwach, and the SK since they all have a feat of holding the entire realms. I would appreciate if someone could get Damage in here to share his thoughts

 

[Qawsedf234]

The Main premise of the CRT is to evaluate the low 4C feat achieved by senna back in the memories of nobody movie as the feat also falls under our Lifting strength guidelines and thus characters who scale above the feat via feats and narrative implications would scale as default and should be added to their profiles.

None of this falls into our UES or LS guidelines. Creating a pocket dimension is never a lifting strength feat.

 

[DavidTPPM]

I am fine with using uskslaverei's KE for now if that's what we all agree with to be used.

You should definitely make a blog for it tho. Like it may seem simple but it won't be that self explanatory when someone checks it 5 years later.

I did (or helped with) a handful of upgrades with similar arguments and I always blogged the calculations.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

I very much doubt most of these people would scale to this LS feat primarily because of the implications of Irazusandō where Ichigo withstands the weight of the 3 worlds upon himself.

 

[Specterxxxx]

None of this falls into our UES or LS guidelines. Creating a pocket dimension is never a lifting strength feat.

The feat isn't about creating a pocket dimension it was a mistake on my part. Also I will address the issue of whether the realms are universes or planets in another CRT. Where I address potential scaling for the verse.

 

[Qawsedf234]

The feat isn't about creating a pocket dimension it was a mistake on my part.

I mean, it is. What else could you mean with Senna:

The multi stellar rating once again comes from a lifting strength/AP feat from senna and since we already accept these characters and anyone who scale to them to scale above senna's AP. Then this conclusion should extend to their LS as well. Note that I am only scaling people who scale to the soul king and squad zero. I am not scaling people who scale to the gremmy feat despite being above senna's in AP as they are not narratively implied to be superior to the LS like the ones I called are and thus wouldn't be given such ratings. However if one can make the argument I would recommend another CRT be created for those characters.

If you mean her pushing the planets away, that was with an explosion, which has nothing to do with LS.

 

[Specterxxxx]

I will have to address this before my next CRT, so as to avoid confusion.

I’m very iffy on a lot of these people scaling. Especially the CFYOW characters. If we’re just going by the whole “Reiatsu equals lifting strength” thing to justify these people scaling, then that contradicts what was said in CFYOW about Meninas having physical strength on par or even surpassing Zaraki’s.

This merely means zaraki and meninas have more raw strength than most people however zaraki has more reaitsu to boost his strength moreso than meninas. This is not an overall scale of their capabilities. We see the same meninas getting overpowered strength wise by ichigo because ichigo has more reaistu.

For instance, Sajin is the only one being consistently portrayed to be close to kenpachi's physical strength because he has raw physical strength than most captains. However unohana in a more inferior body overpowered a much more stronger kenpachi LS wise because she has more reaitsu. So yes having more reaistu trumps just raw physical stats.

Even though her reiatsu is nowhere as high as his is. So unless we accept that reiatsu doesn’t always translate to how much someone can lift, then Meninas, and by extension everyone stronger than her would scale as well. Which is a lot of people lol

No she wouldn't, cyfow only relates their raw brute strength and this would only scale to the zaraki they have information on (quincy daten) and thats pre tybw kenpachi being compared to her physical strength.

And the verse already has a weird way of scaling LS. Like the justifications for Uryu is he clashed with Ichigo. And the justification for Renji is he clashed with Uryu. As far as I know clashing with someone falls under striking strength, not lifting strength.

It falls under both depending on the context, Withstanding a clash where the opponent is in a higher stance would most likely scale you to their LS as well. Renji restrained uryu several times in thier fight, uryu pushed back ichigo several times. Both meaning they are relative in LS.

. That’s why the VS battle page says they should be evaluated separately.

I know why.

The other thing is, this is a massive upgrade compared to any other lifting strength feats the verse has. The closest one on the bleach page is Yhwach lifting the Wandenreich which is Class Z. And that was done by a god tier character(even though I’m pretty sure it can’t be used anymore since the distance used to find it is sorely outdated since the current distance would result in his feat being FTL). Without that, the closest one is Class T from Toshiro freezing one of the falling cities.

Bleach LS section is outdated heavily first off all, There are higher LS feats. Like the kenpachi's force pushing the two halves that immediately canceled out the downward gravitational force of the meteor is an LS feat that is even higher than Yhwach's class Z feat. Also the Yhwach feat was literally casual and he did that with raw spiritual pressure so using his feat as a anti feat makes no sense.

Toshiro achieved that feat in a weakened bankai nor is he relevant to the actual God tiers who would scale way higher.

All in all, if this were to pass I think only characters that have strictly performed a feat on this level or above should scale. So only Ichigo, Yhwach, and the SK since they all have a feat of holding the entire realms. I would appreciate if someone could get Damage in here to share his thoughts

I strongly disagree, in my next CRT (which would be a bigger LS upgrade than this basically) unless later bleach retcons the likes of uryu physically scaling to ichigo's LS. All of squad zero would scale to senna.

 

[Specterxxxx]

If you mean her pushing the planets away, that was with an explosion, which has nothing to do with LS.

Pushing planets with reiatsu is a LS feat, especially if the feat comes from expelling the reiyorku of weaker characters.

Edit: I feel like I have to add that Senna doesn't physically scale she pushed them with her blanks. Characters who scale above her narratively would scale to every section of the feat, AP, LS, and Dura. Any feat that has to do with the pushing or pulling of objects is a LS feat.

 

[SilentBob34]

I very much doubt most of these people would scale to this LS feat primarily because of the implications of Irazusandō where Ichigo withstands the weight of the 3 worlds upon himself.

Agreed, exactly why I think if this does pass only Ichigo, Yhwach, and the SK should scale.

 

[SilentBob34]

Pushing planets with reiatsu is a LS feat, especially if the feat comes from expelling the reiyorku of weaker characters.

Edit: I feel like I have to add that Senna doesn't physically scale she pushed them with her blanks. Characters who scale above her narratively would scale to every section of the feat, AP, LS, and Dura. Any feat that has to do with the pushing or pulling of objects is a LS feat.

Wasn’t it an explosion of the blanks that pushed the planets back? If that’s the case, idk how legit this is. It’d be like if Ichigo used a Getsuga to do the feat and we scale that to his LS when his attack have nothing to do with them. If he just used his sword alone to do it I’d understand

 

[SilentBob34]

I will have to address this before my next CRT, so as to avoid confusion.

This merely means zaraki and meninas have more raw strength than most people however zaraki has more reaitsu to boost his strength moreso than meninas. This is not an overall scale of their capabilities. We see the same meninas getting overpowered strength wise by ichigo because ichigo has more reaistu.

For instance, Sajin is the only one being consistently portrayed to be close to kenpachi's physical strength because he has raw physical strength than most captains. However unohana in a more inferior body overpowered a much more stronger kenpachi LS wise because she has more reaitsu. So yes having more reaistu trumps just raw physical stats.

No she wouldn't, cyfow only relates their raw brute strength and this would only scale to the zaraki they have information on (quincy daten) and thats pre tybw kenpachi being compared to her physical strength.

It falls under both depending on the context, Withstanding a clash where the opponent is in a higher stance would most likely scale you to their LS as well. Renji restrained uryu several times in thier fight, uryu pushed back ichigo several times. Both meaning they are relative in LS.

I know why.

Bleach LS section is outdated heavily first off all, There are higher LS feats. Like the kenpachi's force pushing the two halves that immediately canceled out the downward gravitational force of the meteor is an LS feat that is even higher than Yhwach's class Z feat. Also the Yhwach feat was literally casual and he did that with raw spiritual pressure so using his feat as a anti feat makes no sense.

Toshiro achieved that feat in a weakened bankai nor is he relevant to the actual God tiers who would scale way higher.

I strongly disagree, in my next CRT (which would be a bigger LS upgrade than this basically) unless later bleach retcons the likes of uryu physically scaling to ichigo's LS. All of squad zero would scale to senna.

The thing I’m trying to point out is, you can’t say Meninas and Kenpachi have more raw strength than others and use Kenpachi having more reiatsu as a justification on why other characters with more reiatsu scale. It just doesn’t work that way. Ichigo overpowering makes sense strength wise, considering he has a physical feat far stronger than anything she’s done. Like even Senjumaru’s justification is she “restrained Uryu with her Bankai fabric”. How does her restraining him with her very Hax Bankai have anything to do with her LS?

The data they had doesn’t matter when comparing Meninas and Kenpachi because it wasn’t a character comparing them. It was the author who made the statement when describing Meninas’s strength. Funny enough, they have comparable feats. Kenpachi tosses giant Gerard a good distance, and Meninas picks up Ikomikidomoe who’s around the same size and slams him into the ground.

You’re gonna have to provide every instance where a character was in a higher stance if you wanna use that. Because just generally, characters fighting each other falls under their striking strength being comparable.

Renji restrained Uryu one time in their fight, using a multitude of his Bankai’s superior monkey arm that we’ve been shown has far higher physical strength than what Renji can output. And Uryu never pushed Ichigo back, at all. The only times they ever physically hit each other were when they bumped shoulders in the first fight, and when Ichigo shoulder checked the shit out of him in the second fight. If you’re referring to when he had Ichigo on the defensive because he was barraging him with his arrow drones, then no, Uryu’s drones have nothing to do with his physical strength.

I 100% agree Kenpachi cutting the meteor could be used as a LS feat. Especially since he was charging up at it. And there’s been instances in other verses where destroying a meteor translates to lifting strength. Would it be higher than Yhwach’s feat? Idk, if you could calc it and link it to me I’d appreciate it. I’m not a calc guy lol. But Yhwach’s feat should be invalidated since with the new distance he’d be performing it at FTL speeds, which is incalculable as far as I know.

As for Toshiro’s feat, if you could find a size of the one the royal cities using Ichibei’s city as a base since his has multiple mountain ranges in it that are centered in the middle and are a tiny part compared to the rest of the city, I think that’d be a pretty big upscale for his calc. And I could see stronger characters scaling to it considering it’s been shown you can break out of his ice if you have the strength. Namely everyone expect god tiers.

This all depends on if senna using an explosion would equal to LS. And Bleach wouldn’t have to recon anything. Uryu never physically interacted with Ichigo other than the two times I said earlier. One was them bumping shoulders and the second time it happened, Ichigo made it obvious he could’ve knocked down Uryu with ease.

Also sorry for not separating the text to respond to each one. I’m on mobile and have no idea how to do that

 

[SilentBob34]

@Specterxxxx, honestly, I’d focus more on Zaraki and Toshiro’s feats since those would scale to a lot of the characters you’re proposing. I think Ichigo’s feat of walking while holding the weight of the realms should be done too, but idk what the result would be. Since it’s essentially him performing it while carrying 3 universes on his back. But that’d be something only Ichigo, SK Yhwach, and the SK scale too since they’ve done the feats.

CFYOW made it clear that having the physical power to perform a LS feat is different from just assuming one character can lift more because they have more reiatsu. thanks to Meninas and Kenpachi

 

[Specterxxxx]

The thing I’m trying to point out is, you can’t say Meninas and Kenpachi have more raw strength than others and use Kenpachi having more reiatsu as a justification on why other characters with more reiatsu scale. It just doesn’t work that way.

You just ignored my explanation huh? The comparison for kenpachi and meninas most likely exists pre tybw as the Quincy daten involves the stats and power level of all captain class characters.

Quincy don't use reiatsu in their attacks, soul reaper does. And they don't scale to kenpachi, kenpachi is the one scaling to the God tier LS that's two different Implications. Meninas unlike kenpachi has no evidence to relativity because she was physically dragged by ichigo and cyfow kenpachi is consistently shown to be relative to that ichigo and even physically superior to soul king tier characters (hikone, ikomikomodoe) so he scales in that version while meninas does not because of several antifeats in that same story.

Ichigo overpowering makes sense strength wise, considering he has a physical feat far stronger than anything she’s done.

Exactly, so using meninas here is completely irrelevant.

Like even Senjumaru’s justification is she “restrained Uryu with her Bankai fabric”. How does her restraining him with her very Hax Bankai have anything to do with her LS?

Huh? Please understand how LS justifications work. I am talking about the time senjumaru and uryu fight in EP 27 where senjumaru uses the hollows to overwhelm him and physically bind him with her fabric before he uses antithesis to escape and switch. That has everything to do with her LS.

The data they had doesn’t matter when comparing Meninas and Kenpachi because it wasn’t a character comparing them. It was the author who made the statement when describing Meninas’s strength.

Yes he describes them before we know the physical prowess of cyfow kenpachi (the only iteration of kenpachi that scales) so there is no connection. You are the one that's need to prove meninas who was going band for band with giriko in raw strength, the same giriko lost agent arc kenpachi called a wimp and he didn't want to fight because he was so weak. Should be comparable strength wise to meninas at full power.

Funny enough, they have comparable feats. Kenpachi tosses giant Gerard a good distance, and Meninas picks up Ikomikidomoe who’s around the same size and slams him into the ground.

So meninas scales to tybw kenpachi's strength and not cyfow kenpachi which is the only version of kenpachi I am talking about here. Okay.

You’re gonna have to provide every instance where a character was in a higher stance if you wanna use that. Because just generally, characters fighting each other falls under their striking strength being comparable.

I will in my next CRT.

Renji restrained Uryu one time in their fight, using a multitude of his Bankai’s superior monkey arm that we’ve been shown has far higher physical strength than what Renji can output.

Renji restrained him with his snake grapple before delivering a punch that sends uryu flying. Used a Shockwave to send uryu flying.

All these are LS feats lol.

And Uryu never pushed Ichigo back, at all. The only times they ever physically hit each other were when they bumped shoulders in the first fight, and when Ichigo shoulder checked the shit out of him in the second fight.

Now you are just yappin.

• In the first fight entering volstanding forcibly removes ichigo's hold on him even while ichigo is holding him.
• In the second fight, ichigo launches himself upwards and then delivers an attack uryu blocks with his blow. That's Also a LS feat because ichigo's downward force decent was blocked by uryu.
• Another in that Same fight, ichigo uplifts himself to clash with uryu and uryu with a reishi shield blocks his attack and sends him back down.

These are just the ones off the top of my head, also notice how the only scene you have of ichigo shoulder checking uryu is an offguard scene that ichigo had to basically distract him to do that because he knows thats the only way he can overpower uryu is not the counter you think it is.

If you’re referring to when he had Ichigo on the defensive because he was barraging him with his arrow drones, then no, Uryu’s drones have nothing to do with his physical strength.

I am not referring to that.

I 100% agree Kenpachi cutting the meteor could be used as a LS feat. Especially since he was charging up at it. And there’s been instances in other verses where destroying a meteor translates to lifting strength. Would it be higher than Yhwach’s feat? Idk, if you could calc it and link it to me I’d appreciate it.

Alright brother, I plan on doing that in God tier characters (AP and LS upgrade for Gremmy tier characters) after I finish with Senjumaru tier god tiers AP and LS revision.

And about it surpassing yhwach LS feat. It does surpass the old Calc. The new updated one however might be higher I haven't calced that one yet.

I’m not a calc guy lol. But Yhwach’s feat should be invalidated since with the new distance he’d be performing it at FTL speeds, which is incalculable as far as I know.

I agree with you on that

As for Toshiro’s feat, if you could find a size of the one the royal cities using Ichibei’s city as a base since his has multiple mountain ranges in it that are centered in the middle and are a tiny part compared to the rest of the city, I think that’d be a pretty big upscale for his calc. And I could see stronger characters scaling to it considering it’s been shown you can break out of his ice if you have the strength. Namely everyone expect god tiers.

This all depends on if senna using an explosion would equal to LS. And Bleach wouldn’t have to recon anything. Uryu never physically interacted with Ichigo other than the two times I said earlier. One was them bumping shoulders and the second time it happened, Ichigo made it obvious he could’ve knocked down Uryu with ease.

Also sorry for not separating the text to respond to each one. I’m on mobile and have no idea how to do that

No problem, you are right about the toshiro LS being upscaled

 

[Specterxxxx]

@Specterxxxx, honestly, I’d focus more on Zaraki and Toshiro’s feats since those would scale to a lot of the characters you’re proposing. I think Ichigo’s feat of walking while holding the weight of the realms should be done too, but idk what the result would be. Since it’s essentially him performing it while carrying 3 universes on his back. But that’d be something only Ichigo, SK Yhwach, and the SK scale too since they’ve done the feats.

I will make a Second more broad CRT with an even bigger LS upgrade before I focus on these ones. In this CRT I will expand why these characters scale better..

CFYOW made it clear that having the physical power to perform a LS feat is different from just assuming one character can lift more because they have more reiatsu. thanks to Meninas and Kenpachi

Cyfow compares meninas to a tybw kenpachi not cyfow, hikone basically dragged the girls with pure physicals but they couldn't do the same to cyfow kenpachi

 

[Excellence616]

CFYOW made it clear that having the physical power to perform a LS feat is different from just assuming one character can lift more because they have more reiatsu. thanks to Meninas and Kenpachi

A rough translation from CFYOW II

No way! Nobody other than Minnie can do something like that…”
Just as the name suggested, Meninas’s ability, “The Power,” was
unadulterated and mighty brute strength. In a simple contest of strength,
Meninas’s power was analyzed to likely be unbeatable even by Kenpachi
Zaraki, but in the next moment, a “power” that rivaled hers slung the
scorched tree into the air.

 

[Excellence616]

Even if we can't agree with the crt we have Ichigo irazusando and soul king and Yhwach with sk powers maintaining the realms via reiryoku.

 

[Specterxxxx]

Even if we can't agree with the crt we have Ichigo irazusando and soul king and Yhwach with sk powers maintaining the realms via reiryoku.

I recommend we save that for cour 4. I want to create a much broader CRT tomorrow (where I will address complaints in this one) and we will see the verdict.

 

[SilentBob34]

You just ignored my explanation huh? The comparison for kenpachi and meninas most likely exists pre tybw as the Quincy daten involves the stats and power level of all captain class characters.

Quincy don't use reiatsu in their attacks, soul reaper does. And they don't scale to kenpachi, kenpachi is the one scaling to the God tier LS that's two different Implications. Meninas unlike kenpachi has no evidence to relativity because she was physically dragged by ichigo and cyfow kenpachi is consistently shown to be relative to that ichigo and even physically superior to soul king tier characters (hikone, ikomikomodoe) so he scales in that version while meninas does not because of several antifeats in that same story.

Exactly, so using meninas here is completely irrelevant.

Huh? Please understand how LS justifications work. I am talking about the time senjumaru and uryu fight in EP 27 where senjumaru uses the hollows to overwhelm him and physically bind him with her fabric before he uses antithesis to escape and switch. That has everything to do with her LS.

Yes he describes them before we know the physical prowess of cyfow kenpachi (the only iteration of kenpachi that scales) so there is no connection. You are the one that's need to prove meninas who was going band for band with giriko in raw strength, the same giriko lost agent arc kenpachi called a wimp and he didn't want to fight because he was so weak. Should be comparable strength wise to meninas at full power.

So meninas scales to tybw kenpachi's strength and not cyfow kenpachi which is the only version of kenpachi I am talking about here. Okay.

I will in my next CRT.

Renji restrained him with his snake grapple before delivering a punch that sends uryu flying. Used a Shockwave to send uryu flying.

All these are LS feats lol.

Now you are just yappin.

• In the first fight entering volstanding forcibly removes ichigo's hold on him even while ichigo is holding him.
• In the second fight, ichigo launches himself upwards and then delivers an attack uryu blocks with his blow. That's Also a LS feat because ichigo's downward force decent was blocked by uryu.
• Another in that Same fight, ichigo uplifts himself to clash with uryu and uryu with a reishi shield blocks his attack and sends him back down.

These are just the ones off the top of my head, also notice how the only scene you have of ichigo shoulder checking uryu is an offguard scene that ichigo had to basically distract him to do that because he knows thats the only way he can overpower uryu is not the counter you think it is.

I am not referring to that.

Alright brother, I plan on doing that in God tier characters (AP and LS upgrade for Gremmy tier characters) after I finish with Senjumaru tier god tiers AP and LS revision.

And about it surpassing yhwach LS feat. It does surpass the old Calc. The new updated one however might be higher I haven't calced that one yet.

I agree with you on that

No problem, you are right about the toshiro LS being upscaled

Jesus you ignore the Quincy had nothing to do with it right? There is no “pre Quincy data” there’s only the data that the author of the novel knows that everything. We’re talking about a novel that takes place half a year later

You’re argument falls apart at the start
Everything you try to prove Uryu has correlation to, prove he did that physically. You can’t, you sound like a clown honestly. There isn’t one instant where Uryu overpowers Ichigo. Jesus I thought you had something going for you, but that’s not the case

 

[Excellence616]

You can’t, you sound like a clown honestly

Keep it civil

 

[Ralp0054]

Jesus you ignore the Quincy had nothing to do with it right? There is no “pre Quincy data” there’s only the data that the author of the novel knows that everything. We’re talking about a novel that takes place half a year later

You’re argument falls apart at the start
Everything you try to prove Uryu has correlation to, prove he did that physically. You can’t, you sound like a clown honestly. There isn’t one instant where Uryu overpowers Ichigo. Jesus I thought you had something going for you, but that’s not the case

There is no reason to reduce the conversation to this level.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Pushing planets with reiatsu is a LS feat, especially if the feat comes from expelling the reiyorku of weaker characters.

It is not. The primary form of the attack is an explosion and doesn't qualify for lifting strength because of that. It's like saying the Final Getsuga, Cero, or the Trumpt are LS because they're made of reiatsu. If you want to scale people to a rating based on Ichigo holding the three worlds (albeit with immense effort) I can see an argument there, but this I absolutely do no see.

Edit: I feel like I have to add that Senna doesn't physically scale she pushed them with her blanks. Characters who scale above her narratively would scale to every section of the feat, AP, LS, and Dura. Any feat that has to do with the pushing or pulling of objects is a LS feat.

Senna's feat isn't LS. Stronger characters wouldn't scale to it because there's nothing to scale to.

 

[Damage3245]

Qaws is right. This isn't Lifting Strength.

 

[Specterxxxx]

It is not. The primary form of the attack is an explosion and doesn't qualify for lifting strength because of that. It's like saying the Final Getsuga, Cero, or the Trumpt are LS because they're made of reiatsu. If you want to scale people to a rating based on Ichigo holding the three worlds (albeit with immense effort) I can see an argument there, but this I absolutely do no see.

Senna's feat isn't LS. Stronger characters wouldn't scale to it because there's nothing to scale to.

Agreed, after careful consideration this wouldn't be a LS but just a pure AP feat as the explosion is instantaneous and not sustained. I do have another in mind that is sustained for a longer time

 

[Apollonir.Scale]

I don't remember this feat exactly, but speaking of the characters above, why would they scale to LS for this feat? For example, having Senjumaru>Senna as AP doesn't mean that Senjumaru>Senna's ability would also be LS for LS.

Someone gave the Meninas example above. I didn't read it thoroughly, but yes, Meninas is Class T, and Liltotto, who is stronger than Meninas, could be Class M.

If this counts as a LS feat, only Ichigo and Reio should scale. I'm not sure if Yhwach physically scales.

 

[Specterxxxx]

I don't remember this feat exactly, but speaking of the characters above, why would they scale to LS for this feat? For example, having Senjumaru>Senna as AP doesn't mean that Senjumaru>Senna's ability would also be LS for LS.

Someone gave the Meninas example above. I didn't read it thoroughly, but yes, Meninas is Class T, and Liltotto, who is stronger than Meninas, could be Class M.

If this counts as a LS feat, only Ichigo and Reio should scale. I'm not sure if Yhwach physically scales.

I am posting another CRT today, I will address this. And for the lady time cyfow only compares meninas to tybw kenpachi lifting strength not cyfow. We already higher reiatsu causes higher LS in bleach.

 

[Qawsedf234]

I am posting another CRT today, I will address this. And for the lady time cyfow only compares meninas to tybw kenpachi lifting strength not cyfow. We already higher reiatsu causes higher LS in bleach.

I'll lock this thread then