Mr. Bullet vs Sebastian Solace - 1-2-0

[Jerry59]

• Speed Equalized
• Bullet’s ROBOTO 0095 key is being used, and both are 9-B
• The fight takes place in 6-2: AESTHETICS OF HATE

Gianni Matragrano: @AThe1412

Gianni Matragrano: @Arkansalter2, @Ms.Luzifer,

Gianni Matragrano:

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

This is a stomp, Gianni would immediately Hax Gianni to death

 

[Arkansalter2]

Heh I see what you did there.
Anyways Sebastian should arguably have the LS advantage considering that he did this. Arguably a Class 1 feat that is not yet added.
This shouldn't really be a factor as since we assume SBA, Sebby should outrange Bullet bc his gun is apparently more ranged than Bullet's.
Sebby shoots GGs.
Sebby low-mid diff.

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

fra

 

[AThe1412]

Heh I see what you did there.
Anyways Sebastian should arguably have the LS advantage considering that he did this. Arguably a Class 1 feat that is not yet added.
This shouldn't really be a factor as since we assume SBA, Sebby should outrange Bullet bc his gun is apparently more ranged than Bullet's.
Sebby shoots GGs.
Sebby low-mid diff.

How the hell does a shotgun outrange a sniper rifle?
Nevermind, just realized he doesn't have that in this key. How does Sebastian get past the shield?

 

[Arkansalter2]

How the hell does a shotgun outrange a sniper rifle?
Nevermind, just realized he doesn't have that in this key. How does Sebastian get past the shield?

Keep shooting it I guess.

 

[AThe1412]

Keep shooting it I guess.

It can no-sell all of Jack's weapons except for the Railgun which he still needs a few shots to take down. The ROBOTO also flies around like an annoying insect, making it more difficult to hit. The fish doesn't have any firearm feats on par with Jack, so Bullet just closes the distance and blasts Sebastian apart.

 

[Jerry59]

(also don’t think range matters much here since both are inside a cathedral or whatever)

 

[Arkansalter2]

It can no-sell all of Jack's weapons except for the Railgun which he still needs a few shots to take down.

The shield only lasts about a few seconds and he doesn't spam it so the "shield" shouldn't really be an issue.

The fish doesn't have any firearm feats on par with Jack, so Bullet just closes the distance and blasts Sebastian apart.

My man. The fish in question is using a shotgun against a big ass target.

The ROBOTO also flies around like an annoying insect, making it more difficult to hit.

Sebastian can literally see and shoot ghosts. Pretty sure it flying is not hard for sebastian at all.

 

[AThe1412]

The shield only lasts about a few seconds and he doesn't spam it so the "shield" shouldn't really be an issue.

Where did you get the information that it only lasts a few seconds? It's an actual physical shield. All he has to do is pull it up. It costs him nothing. He pulls it up every time he's getting hurt a bit too much and he can still attack with missiles while blocking.

My man. The fish in question is using a shotgun against a big ass target.

Any feats where he's nailing targets who aren't grounded and at max a room away?

Sebastian can literally see and shoot ghosts. Pretty sure it flying is not hard for sebastian at all.

Ah yes, grounded ghost who is at max a room away.

 

[Jerry59]

The shield only lasts about a few seconds and he doesn't spam it so the "shield" shouldn't really be an issue.

He does whip it out and use it until it gets blasted.

My man. The fish in question is using a shotgun against a big ass target.

And that big ass target can dodge, his dashes are also faster than his attack speed, which Jack has to constantly avoid.

Sebastian can literally see and shoot ghosts. Pretty sure it flying is not hard for sebastian at all.

So are we treating seeing ghosts as tagging agile targets now?

 

[Arkansalter2]

Where did you get the information that it only lasts a few seconds?

Here. Lasts about 4 seconds max.

Any feats where he's nailing targets who aren't grounded and at max a room away?

The size of the guy makes that irrelevant.

And Bullet can dodge, his dashes are also faster than his attack speed, which Jack has to constantly avoid.

Most times, his dashes leave a noticable afterimage so it shouldn't really be a problem.

Might I remind you that Sebastian dealt with pandemonium, who is also 9-B (that is far stronger than Bullet), within the span of a few moments. Bullet shouldn't be a problem at all.

 

[Jerry59]

Here. Lasts about 4 seconds max.

And here’s when he uses it until it gets imploded. During the fight, he can whip it out whenever he wants and keep it up for as long as he chooses, unless you really want to stick to the game mechanic that limits him to about 4 seconds every single time.

The size of the guy makes that irrelevant.

Unless the target is like 50 meters tall or smth, aiming feats are very much relevant against a flying opponent who avoids melee because he’s a *****- not all of the shots are going to land.

Most times, his dashes leave a noticable afterimage so it shouldn't really be a problem.

Afterimages only show Sebastian the direction Bullet has already moved, they aren’t going to help him shoot Bullet any more precisely or anything.

Might I remind you that Sebastian dealt with pandemonium, who is also 9-B (that is far stronger than Bullet), within the span of a few moments. Bullet shouldn't be a problem at all.

And Bullet has funny bullet hell attacks from 2 of his 3 weapons. And it’s very in-character for him to range-spam.

 

[AThe1412]

Here. Lasts about 4 seconds max.

Uh huh.

The size of the guy makes that irrelevant.

Not when he's constantly moving at high speed. Keep in mind that the Expendables are much slower than him. ROBOTO isn't that much bigger than Sebastian himself, who's also a big target.

Most times, his dashes leave a noticable afterimage so it shouldn't really be a problem.

The afterimages literally make it harder to hit him. Sebastian won't be able to tell which of the images is the real target.

Might I remind you that Sebastian dealt with pandemonium, who is also 9-B (that is far stronger than Bullet), within the span of a few moments. Bullet shouldn't be a problem at all.

(Horror Street) The Pandemonium VS The One-Armed Xenomorph

THE PANDEMODIUM vs THE ONE-ARMED XENOMORPH Both are 30 meters apart Battle takes place within a large abandoned bunker Speed is equalized Z-367 scales to 12890 KJ The Alien scales to 27447 KJ AP difference is barely over 2x Profiles: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Z-367_(Pandemonium)...

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@Comiphorous said that Pandemonium's profile is outdated and that he shouldn't even be 9-B anymore, let alone scale to his current value.

 

[Arkansalter2]

Not when he's constantly moving at high speed. Keep in mind that the Expendables are much slower than him. ROBOTO isn't that much bigger than Sebastian himself, who's also a big target.

He doesn't really have that much space to move without bumping into something.

Uh huh.

Concerning.

The afterimages literally make it harder to hit him. Sebastian won't be able to tell which of the images is the real target.

And they fade after like 0.5 seconds. Irrelevant.

Unless the target is like 50 meters tall or smth, aiming feats are very much relevant against a flying opponent who avoids melee because he’s a *****- not all of the shots are going to land.

My man is literally using a shotgun. 9 times out of ten, most shotgun shots are landing.

Now as for Sebastian, he might be the second strongest bro in pressure, behind Lopee. He likely practically dealt with the same stuff expendable dealt with before due to documents. Pandemonium can also fly (because f*** you, urbanshade) and is a smaller target than Bullet. Flying targets are nothing new to Sebby.

 

[Jerry59]

My man is literally using a shotgun. 9 times out of ten, most shotgun shots are landing.

Shotgun shots don’t spread that much even over tens or hundreds of meters. If you argue they spread that badly, then it just means the weapon has ass range (which does seem to be the case here, since a sawed-off’s effective range without spread is like, 35 yards ?). And if only a few slugs hit, they won’t deal that much damage because of the small area. He’d need to land nearly all the pellets on Bullet to tear a good chunk of his robot apart.

Now as for Sebastian, he might be the second strongest bro in pressure, behind Lopee. He likely practically dealt with the same stuff expendable dealt with before due to documents. Pandemonium can also fly (because f*** you, urbanshade) and is a smaller target than Bullet. Flying targets are nothing new to Sebby.

And Panda is as smart and skilled as Bullet? And still no actual aiming feats? Aye good luck eating that danmaku.

 

[AThe1412]

He doesn't really have that much space to move without bumping into something.

He still has a lot of space to avoid attacks, even with his large size. Gabriel and V1, both very agile combatants, didn't have any problem fighting in that room.

And they fade after like 0.5 seconds. Irrelevant.

Right, you're the one who brought up the argument that they'll make him easier to hit. I said they'll do the opposite, then you circle back to saying they're irrelevant.

My man is literally using a shotgun. 9 times out of ten, most shotgun shots are landing.

Jack also has a shotgun and is a much better shot, yet he can still have trouble hitting the robot.

Now as for Sebastian, he might be the second strongest bro in pressure, behind Lopee. He likely practically dealt with the same stuff expendable dealt with before due to documents. Pandemonium can also fly (because f*** you, urbanshade) and is a smaller target than Bullet. Flying targets are nothing new to Sebby.

None of that matters because
1. We literally have no idea how their supposed confrontation went down, assuming there even was one.
2. Pandemonium is basically a wild animal in terms of intelligence and is completely limited to melee.
3. Pandemonium shouldn't even be 9-B anymore.

 

[Jerry59]

Jack also has a shotgun and is a much better shot, yet he can still have trouble hitting the robot.

Oh yeah, speaking of Jack’s shotgun, it has around 23 pellets in a single shell at lv 3, so lol

 

[Arkansalter2]

Gabriel and V1, both very agile combatants, didn't have any problem fighting in that room

Both of them are small compared to Bullet. Arguably, he won't have that much room to fly. Both of his battles take place outside where Bullet has a lot of room to work with. But since they're inside, he'll just fly into shit over and over again. He won't have that much room to work with. He'd have to end the fight quick or Sebastian is closing that distance and just shooting bro over and over again.

We literally have no idea how their supposed confrontation went down, assuming there even was one.

Apparently it was short because we can see Sebastrain give us document info after like 4 seconds.

Sebastains a fast shot too because apparently he can literally shoot a wall dweller without even aiming first extremely quickly.

 

[Jerry59]

Both of them are small compared to Bullet. Arguably, he won't have that much room to fly. Both of his battles take place outside where Bullet has a lot of room to work with. But since they're inside, he'll just fly into shit over and over again. He won't have that much room to work with. He'd have to end the fight quick or Sebastian is closing that distance and just shooting bro over and over again.

You’re underestimating how big that room actually is. Look at this boulder guy (cannot give a better scan rn because I’m a bum), he should be about the size of 0095 btw. And as for not flying into the walls, just… don’t fly into them? Just ******* circle around?

Sebastains a fast shot too because apparently he can literally shoot a wall dweller without even aiming first extremely quickly.

I had to watch frame by frame just to debunk ts but the very first thing he did was aim. Still he did it quickly so I’ll let it slide a bit. That said, there’s still the issue of danmaku spamming and Bullet remains a more mobile opponent.

 

[AThe1412]

Both of them are small compared to Bullet. Arguably, he won't have that much room to fly. Both of his battles take place outside where Bullet has a lot of room to work with. But since they're inside, he'll just fly into shit over and over again. He won't have that much room to work with. He'd have to end the fight quick or Sebastian is closing that distance and just shooting bro over and over again.

What distance? Didn't you say that Sebastian has greater range? What does he do against the machine guns, missiles, and railguns?

You’re underestimating how big that room actually is. Look at this boulder guy (cannot give a better scan rn because I’m a bum), he should be about the size of 0095 btw. And as for not flying into the walls, just… don’t fly into them? Just ******* circle around?

Yeah, that room is actually massive now that I look at it again.

Apparently it was short because we can see Sebastrain give us document info after like 4 seconds.

Sebastains a fast shot too because apparently he can literally shoot a wall dweller without even aiming first extremely quickly.

You mean the Wall Dweller that he absolutely blitzes like how he can blitz the Expendables?

 

[Arkansalter2]

Just ******* circle around?

Sebastain would very quickly catch on to the flying patterns. Mind you that he has the skill since he can solo countless urbanshade officers.
Also, we can see that the Madjack player can outmaneuver the bullets (because they're literally projectiles).
Sebastian can outmaneuver pretty much any entity he encounters (as said in the speed justification), so what's stopping Sebby from just... maneuvering his way around the slow-ass bullets?

 

[Jerry59]

Sebastain would very quickly catch on to the flying patterns. Mind you that he has the skill since he can solo countless urbanshade officers.

Thankfully the grandpa with the TM Opera O profile isn’t here to watch us argue about combat skill so terribly. Anyway how skilled are these urbanshade? And how many is this ‘countless’ because I know damn well you love wanking shit.

Also, we can see that the Madjack player can outmaneuver the bullets (because they're literally projectiles).
Sebastian can outmaneuver pretty much any entity he encounters (as said in the speed justification), so what's stopping Sebby from just... maneuvering his way around the slow-ass bullets?

Jack was able to avoid them partly because there were obstacles in the way. And the missiles being slow actually makes it even better for Bullet to harass Sebastian, since he can use his machine guns while Sebastian has to constantly stay aware of these tracking missiles, without great versatility.

 

[AThe1412]

Sebastain would very quickly catch on to the flying patterns. Mind you that he has the skill since he can solo countless urbanshade officers.

You mean the same Urbanshade officers he blitzes and oneshots? Also, countless? Really? The fact that Urbanshade didn't want to send in all of their agents was the reason they were replaced with Expendables in the first place.

Also, we can see that the Madjack player can outmaneuver the bullets (because they're literally projectiles).

Ah yes, because Sebastian is just as small and agile as Jack.

Sebastian can outmaneuver pretty much any entity he encounters (as said in the speed justification), so what's stopping Sebby from just... maneuvering his way around the slow-ass bullets?

Ah yes, because Sebastian is just as small and agile as Jack. Also, that specific line is in the durability and stamina justification. Honestly just makes him even less impressive because Pandemonium also gets blitzed.

 

[Arkansalter2]

Anyway how skilled are these urbanshade?

I wouldn't know. Urbanshade website doesn't even give any information about the Urbanshade Personnel. They're armed like shit tho.

Apparently, Sebastian is so dangeous that in the event an armed operative is to meet Sebastian, Mr. Shade instructs them to "shred their mags until their finger bleeds."
Sebby killed a high ranking personnel and it's stated that he can do the same to other operatives according to his document.

 

[AThe1412]

I wouldn't know. Urbanshade website doesn't even give any information about the Urbanshade Personnel. They're armed like shit tho.

Apparently, Sebastian is so dangeous that in the event an armed operative is to meet Sebastian, Mr. Shade instructs them to "shred their mags until their finger bleeds."
Sebby killed a high ranking personnel and it's stated that he can do the same to other operatives according to his document.

Pretty much fodder then. Gets blitzed, gets oneshotted, has zero skill feats other than being military personnel (which people like Jack easily shred through). Anyway, Mr. Bullet FRA.

 

[Jerry59]

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[Jerry59]

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[Comiphorous]

Anyway how skilled are these urbanshade?

A single urbanshade operator can fight against increasing numbers of highly infectious zombies who are armed with explosives, firearms, and bullet proof shields with nothing but a shotgun. They're not too shabby when it comes to skill.

A single squad of them were also were able to take down a highly amped Z-1264, which could reduce humans to paste with it's hits and was completely invulnerable to their weapons besides being pelted with several explosives over and over again.

 

[Jerry59]

A single urbanshade operator can fight against increasing numbers of highly infectious zombies who are armed with explosives, firearms, and bullet proof shields with nothing but a shotgun. They're not too shabby when it comes to skill.

A single squad of them were also were able to take down a highly amped Z-1264, which could reduce humans to paste with it's hits and was completely invulnerable to their weapons besides being pelted with several explosives over and over again.

They’re decent but like, doesn’t Sebastian just blitz and one-shot them anyway? Fighting a creature far stronger than them does show good teamwork I guess, but from eyeballing the profile, that Rebarb thing didn’t seem all that intelligent or that much faster. And Sebastian wouldn’t really scale to any of these if he just stomped them through sheer stat difference.

 

[Comiphorous]

They’re decent but like, doesn’t Sebastian just blitz and one-shot them anyway?

We've never gotten a confirmation that he one-shots them, nor that he blitzes them. He's just been described as being hard to catch when the blacksite breach happened. He only has one on-screen confirmed one-shot and that's against a character who's far weaker than blacksite operatives and isn't on the same level as them.

Fighting a creature far stronger than them does show good teamwork I guess, but from eyeballing the profile, that Rebarb thing didn’t seem all that intelligent or that much faster.

Rebarb specializes in stealth plus being a giant stone wall against everything. Them taking it out is a good skill feat.

And Sebastian wouldn’t really scale to any of these if he just stomped them through sheer stat difference.

All we know is that he's killed guards and survives fighting against all of the anomalies within the blacksite as they're confirmed to try and kill him regularly. we are not given a confirmation he is largely stronger than blacksite operatives, especially when a lot of them are genetically enhanced to make them better at their job. I think it's fine to say Sebastian at least somewhat scales to Blacksite Operative's skill feats especially when it's noted he easily out-maneuvers teams of operatives and kills them regularly during the game's events.

 

[Jerry59]

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