Mori Dan additions (Skill/Technique Revision)

[azontr]

Mr. Dan has a few abilities that I never noticed before while reading. Mostly in relation to his skill, and such. Onto it...

• Spatial Manipulation: To add onto his Spatial stuff, Mori is capable of kicking multiple parts of a person's body with only a single kick. Proof that the guy just couldn't see the attacks, it was somehow just one singular movement that hit 4 times more than it should've.
• Pressure Points: Can instantly knock out people much stronger than him (consider they were still more powerful than him when he was in Mori Jin form, and he did this in Mori Dan form) with precise strikes.
• Attack Reflection: Can control an opponent's flow of power to come out practically unscathed from their blows and returning the power back to them, allowing him to one-shot them with a light tap. Has shown a similar technique in the past.
• Durability Negation: Can tear apart the Dragon Armorsuits with Recoilless techniques, which were tough enough that he couldn't even damage them while he was less injured. Idk if this is dura negation or not, but it's some type of ability, since Mori's physical strength stayed the same.

And that's about it. So yeah.

 

[Robo432343]

Mr.Dan??

 

[azontr]

Mr. Rodgers

 

[Yeolban]

everything looks good, I agree

 

[M2u12]

• Durability Negation: Can tear apart the Dragon Armorsuits with Recoilless techniques, which were tough enough that he couldn't even damage them while he was less injured. Idk if this is dura negation or not, but it's some type of ability, since Mori's physical strength stayed the same.

I don't think that's Durability Negation. I think it's more like a Damage Boost.

 

[DavidTPPM]

• Spatial Manipulation: To add onto his Spatial stuff, Mori is capable of kicking multiple parts of a person's body with only a single kick. Proof that the guy just couldn't see the attacks, it was somehow just one singular movement that hit 4 times more than it should've.

I'm not 100% sure if this isn't just the author trying to make Mori look fast. Something like this already happened before and it was portrayed as Mori just kicking people super fast

• Durability Negation: Can tear apart the Dragon Armorsuits with Recoilless techniques, which were tough enough that he couldn't even damage them while he was less injured. Idk if this is dura negation or not, but it's some type of ability, since Mori's physical strength stayed the same.

Surprisingly I agree with M2u12. The point of recoiless is that you use all of your energy without wasting it. Meaning you literally increase the amount of energy you hit your opponent with without increasing the amount of energy you actually have. What's impressive about it is that recoiless here was directly outperforming his Mori Jin/monkey king state which was previously shown to be superior to a x48 jeabongchim. Plus there's not much evidence suggesting it's negating durability besides maybe it being a side effect of the spatial manip.
Basically I think it's a more than a 48x damage boost.

That being said the rest looks really good. Especially this.

• Attack Reflection: Can control an opponent's flow of power to come out practically unscathed from their blows and returning the power back to them, allowing him to one-shot them with a light tap. Has shown a similar technique in the past.

 

[azontr]

I'm not 100% sure if this isn't just the author trying to make Mori look fast. Something like this already happened before and it was portrayed as Mori just kicking people super fast

In that feat, it isn't clarified that it happened with one kick. It also doesn't seem like a portrayal of speed, when these guys are as fast as Mori.

For the Recoilless stuff, I only suggested it be dura negation because I don't think that it's simply allowing him to throw stronger attacks, given the entire point of Mori's training for the entire saga up to that point is Mori learning to control his power.

That being said, idrc if it gets added or not, so if anymore people agree with you then I'll concede.

 

[azontr]

Bump

 

[M2u12]

I agree more with David that recoiless is a damage boost and Taejin Jin has implied that recoiless is amplify power, So I think damage boost is a more suitable ability.

 

[DavidTPPM]

I agree more with David that recoiless is a damage boost and Taejin Jin has implied that recoiless is amplify power, So I think damage boost is a more suitable ability.

I agree with M2u12 agreeing with me agreeing with him

 

[M2u12]

I can understand the reasoning behind Spatial Manipulation, so I guess I agree?

Pressure Points and Attack Reflection I agree

And for Durability Negation, like I say it should be Damage Boost.

 

[azontr]

Bump

 

[DavidTPPM]

Oh yeah btw while I do disagree with Mori tearing up the armorsuits being durability negation, Taejin kicking Odin definitely does seem like durability negation that breaks you apart from the inside

 

[M2u12]

Oh yeah btw while I do disagree with Mori tearing up the armorsuits being durability negation, Taejin kicking Odin definitely does seem like durability negation that breaks you apart from the inside

Yeah, Causing damage Inside the opponent body is also considered an Durability Negation too

 

[azontr]

Oh yeah btw while I do disagree with Mori tearing up the armorsuits being durability negation, Taejin kicking Odin definitely does seem like durability negation that breaks you apart from the inside

Cool. That'd probably be a better justification.

Also bump.

 

[azontr]

Bump

 

[Sir_Ovens]

Spatial Manipulation: To add onto his Spatial stuff, Mori is capable of kicking multiple parts of a person's body with only a single kick. Proof that the guy just couldn't see the attacks, it was somehow just one singular movement that hit 4 times more than it should've.

No he literally saw the attacks and it's a speed feat, not spatial manipulation. The "proof" is the both of them hitting each other which further proves he has the speed to be able to see Mori's attacks.

Pressure Points: Can instantly knock out people much stronger than him (consider they were still more powerful than him when he was in Mori Jin form, and he did this in Mori Dan form) with precise strikes.

We already established that Martial Arts increases AP. They're not stronger than him in a way that matters because they rely on their borrowed power and have no martial skill whatsoever. They're amazed that he's able to stomp them because he's physically stronger than them but has no borrowed power, which up to that point was the only mark of strength they cared about.

Attack Reflection: Can control an opponent's flow of power to come out practically unscathed from their blows and returning the power back to them, allowing him to one-shot them with a light tap. Has shown a similar technique in the past.

The context for both fights are completely different. With Sujin, Mori was literally at a complete loss. Had he been hit by her, he would have lost. He only came out on top because he remembered what Ilpyo told him, which makes sense that he countered her. With Samuel, he was straight tanking those hits cause, again, he's physically stronger than the entire Judge team. You can even see the difference in technique. Samuel is wildly striking Mori, while the latter took an opportunistic window to one-shot the former because he knows he only needs one good hit.

Durability Negation: Can tear apart the Dragon Armorsuits with Recoilless techniques, which were tough enough that he couldn't even damage them while he was less injured. Idk if this is dura negation or not, but it's some type of ability, since Mori's physical strength stayed the same.

Recoilless techniques are an AP boost. There's no reason to assume it's dura neg when it's just Mori hitting harder.

 

[azontr]

No he literally saw the attacks and it's a speed feat, not spatial manipulation. The "proof" is the both of them hitting each other which further proves he has the speed to be able to see Mori's attacks.

You missed the part where he did it with a single attack rather than shifting his leg to change his attack trajectory. Did you miss the "with one kick" part?

Mori has attacked fast enough to hit people multiple times in what seems like an instant to others, yet this is the only time where it's seen as some kind of impossible law-breaking feat. In fact, in earlier feats, he hits like 7 points rather than a measely 4, yet it's not seen as impossible.

We already established that Martial Arts increases AP. They're not stronger than him in a way that matters because they rely on their borrowed power and have no martial skill whatsoever.

He was using martial arts and his attack power was still noted to be much weaker than the Executives. This is an incredibly roundabout way to overthink this. If he's using his skills and Q still said "his power itself isn't even stronger than ours", than his attack power is weaker, the entire point of Mori Dan is that he uses precise movements and technique to overcome his physical limits.

To say that the opponents he are fighting are not stronger than him is to completely ignore the point of his arc, which is that he needs to refine his skills to defeat people who overpower him.

he's physically stronger than the entire Judge team.

No, he's not. Objectively, he's not. He's stated to be weaker. He's stated to be overcoming his physical limitations through the use of technique to fight them. You are ignoring the entire point of the fight to stick to a falsified narrative of "Mori strong" while failing to realize that he explicitly is not stronger than them, because not only would that would defeat the purpose of his character at this point, which is that he's not the strongest, but he's stated several times to not be the strongest.

Using the "martial arts increases AP" argument practically invalidates all of Mori's greatest skill feats in the later story, saying that he was just increasing his AP rather than using precise movements and energy manipulation to overwhelm a group of superior opponents.

I'm not responding to the last post because we already established it's probably not dura neg, but Taejin's feat against Odin is probably some form of limited dura neg which would apply to Mori.