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So, many months ago this page was made. Then a few weeks later she was downgraded a lot. However, after looking through some of the lore and dialogue for the game, I've come to the conclusion that some (Not all) of the downgrades were illegitimate.
This primarily comes with one single point: The size of the Spiral (The name of the game's main setting). According to one of the developers of the game, the Spiral is merely the size of a solar system, and all worlds share the same sun. However, as shown by its desig, how it has stars in the night sky and even its general name, it's fairly evident that the Spiral is meant to be a galaxy, while it being a solar system is only pointed out by one Q&A from a developer, when everything else seems to say otherwise. Additionally, due to the very appearance of the Spiral, it's basically impossible for there to be only one sun in it that all worlds share. Even then, one of Kogasha's (A boss from a bonus dungeon) mentions how he was pulled from the stars and lived in a "star-field".
"Long ago, Lyon pulled me from the stars, where I dwelt in peace with my people within the star-fields of Yago."
As well as Morganthe having "pulled down the stars" when she was much younger.
"She studied in the Star Alcazar but it went poorly. She could not master the delicacies of Star magic and quit in a furor. In her wrath, she blamed all but herself. She pulled the stars out of the sky, and we were consumed in a cataclysm of starfire."
Now while her page states that these are not like real stars, nothing points towards this save the AOE fallacy with it only destroying a small area, when you could say the exact same thing about Ultimecia's Great Attractor in Final Fantasy VIII, where she throws planets but they only look slightly larger than the party once they enter the same screen.
However, as implied by one line of dialogue, Shadow Morganthe actually planned to recreate the entire universe:
"Your blood shall water the foundations of my new universe, the Shadow Web!"
And given how it was the timeline she was going to rewrite (As her page currently mentions), this would be a Low 2-C feat, not to mention how little sense it makes that she could only rewrite the timeline of one specific space and not the rest of the universe (Yes, the Spiral exists in the universe, as your character is mentioned as having come from "a world that does not even believe in magic", I.E. Earth).
All the rest of the downgrades are legitimate, however.
My suggested AP change is this:
Attack Potency: At least Large Star level (Pulled the stars out of the sky in outrage for not mastering Star magic) | At least Large Star level, likely higher (Far more powerful than her younger self) | Universe level+ (Capable of rewriting the timeline of the entire universe)
Key: Young Morganthe | Adult Morganthe | Shadow Morganthe
The Low 2-C only scales to three characters: The player character (As they harm her and tank her attacks), Malistaire the Undying (Who fights the player character after they fight Morganthe), and Rasputin (Who is the firstborn son of Grandfather Spider [The natural enemy of Bartleby and Grandmother Raven, who created everything] and, once again, fights the player character after they fight both Shadow Morganthe and Malistaire the Undying), which definitely helps consistency.
Note that the above clarifications about the Spiral are really just there for profiles I later plan to make.
This primarily comes with one single point: The size of the Spiral (The name of the game's main setting). According to one of the developers of the game, the Spiral is merely the size of a solar system, and all worlds share the same sun. However, as shown by its desig, how it has stars in the night sky and even its general name, it's fairly evident that the Spiral is meant to be a galaxy, while it being a solar system is only pointed out by one Q&A from a developer, when everything else seems to say otherwise. Additionally, due to the very appearance of the Spiral, it's basically impossible for there to be only one sun in it that all worlds share. Even then, one of Kogasha's (A boss from a bonus dungeon) mentions how he was pulled from the stars and lived in a "star-field".
"Long ago, Lyon pulled me from the stars, where I dwelt in peace with my people within the star-fields of Yago."
As well as Morganthe having "pulled down the stars" when she was much younger.
"She studied in the Star Alcazar but it went poorly. She could not master the delicacies of Star magic and quit in a furor. In her wrath, she blamed all but herself. She pulled the stars out of the sky, and we were consumed in a cataclysm of starfire."
Now while her page states that these are not like real stars, nothing points towards this save the AOE fallacy with it only destroying a small area, when you could say the exact same thing about Ultimecia's Great Attractor in Final Fantasy VIII, where she throws planets but they only look slightly larger than the party once they enter the same screen.
However, as implied by one line of dialogue, Shadow Morganthe actually planned to recreate the entire universe:
"Your blood shall water the foundations of my new universe, the Shadow Web!"
And given how it was the timeline she was going to rewrite (As her page currently mentions), this would be a Low 2-C feat, not to mention how little sense it makes that she could only rewrite the timeline of one specific space and not the rest of the universe (Yes, the Spiral exists in the universe, as your character is mentioned as having come from "a world that does not even believe in magic", I.E. Earth).
All the rest of the downgrades are legitimate, however.
My suggested AP change is this:
Attack Potency: At least Large Star level (Pulled the stars out of the sky in outrage for not mastering Star magic) | At least Large Star level, likely higher (Far more powerful than her younger self) | Universe level+ (Capable of rewriting the timeline of the entire universe)
Key: Young Morganthe | Adult Morganthe | Shadow Morganthe
The Low 2-C only scales to three characters: The player character (As they harm her and tank her attacks), Malistaire the Undying (Who fights the player character after they fight Morganthe), and Rasputin (Who is the firstborn son of Grandfather Spider [The natural enemy of Bartleby and Grandmother Raven, who created everything] and, once again, fights the player character after they fight both Shadow Morganthe and Malistaire the Undying), which definitely helps consistency.
Note that the above clarifications about the Spiral are really just there for profiles I later plan to make.