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I've wanted to do this for a while, I tried getting it done on someone else's thread, (it was relevant to the character) but only one person (not counting Antvasima) commented on it. Time to make it into a full on thread. This is gonna be kinda long, so bear with me here. I do hope you have the patience to read through it.
Many months ago the characters were downgraded from 4-B to 4-C/High 4-C. Twilight got hit worse than any of them, mostly because she reasonably was not as powerful as the other Alicorns. Her Low 4-C key which she had prior to the 4-B upgrade got taken down as well. From what I remember, it was mostly because she had too many anti-feats to the Pony of Shadows comparison of her to Starswirl. The thread is going to discuss some of the points made in the previous.
"She is consistently given problems with monsters that give her own friends problems, such as the Bugbear attack." In "A Matter of Principles" Starlight sent one running for the hills after a single shot later on. "She was amplified by anger at the time." At most, she was mildly angry about a monster assaulting her students. By comparison: She lost everything because of Twilight, was borderline psychotic and went full-blown stalker for the remainder of the season, going as far as messing with time to get revenge. If anything, she was far far angrier and thus more powerful by extension at the time the two fought. That argument only makes Twilight more impressive for matching Starlight at peak anger.
"She had problems with the Tatzelwurm." I'm pretty sure this makes Twilight look more impressive. In "The Fundamentals of Magic" shorts, Princess Celestia explicitly states that it has a hide able to resist all but the strongest of magic. Twilight hurting it is a feat, not an anti-feat.
"The Storm Guards gave her problems." They had highly magic resistant armor. They overpowered her physically literally once from what I've seen, and that's it. Most importantly: At the end of the movie, they were thoroughly trashed and overpowered by characters far weaker than Twliight. They weren't just getting beaten, they were getting utterly destroyed. At no point in the final battle did any of them pose a massive threat to the heroes, and served only to get beaten up by the heroes as they went to free Twilight. Them overpowering Twilight + Rainbow Dash for literally one scene isn't an anti-feat for her, but an outlier for them.
"She is consistently portrayed as on par with her friends." She is consistently portrayed as the strongest Unicorn in Ponyville. Trixie was overpowering and humiliating the stronger members of them Mane 6 in her début, yet isn't anything special compared to Twilight. Not even powerful ponies like Sunset Shimmer come anywhere near Unicor Twilight's magical might, and that gap only got bigger with her Ascension to Alicornhood. And yes, the show does make a distinction between Unicorn and Alicorn Magic, with Twilight mentioning her Alicorn Magic in the Season 4 Finale.
Twilight overpowered and restrained all of her friends at once sans Pinkie via Telekinesis, which further goes against her being portrayed at their levels. I doubt it was paralysis given how they can move their eyes and mouths. The more likely and more simple answer is that she restrained their movements via Telekinesis.
Trixie with the Alicorn Amulet can cast spells that only top tier Unicorns can cast, yet Starlight uses those same spells to play childrens games. Then there is Chancellor Neighsay. His amulet contains the most potent of Unicorn magic. Twilight deals with a spell cast with the most potent of Unicorn magic by effortlessly blasting the spell to pieces. Two times "most powerful Unicorns" is mentioned, and two times Twilight either outmatches it, or scales to someone who does.
Tempest Shadow coveted not only the princesses power, but Twilight's as well, with their dialogue before Twilight getting drained referring to her power specifically. And Tirek desired it too; well before he realized she also had the magic of the others. Why the heck would either of them want magic from someone who is only unquantifiably more powerful than your average pony? It makes no sense. It's almost as if they consider her magic to be stupidly powerful and something worth getting.
Before anyone even says it; yes, I'm aware the staff wouldn't work without Twilight's power. That however, is not my point. Multiple times Tempest expresses jealousy at the power the princesses wield. She does so when "talking" to Celestia's petrified form, and then again when talking to Twilight, and the dialogue between Tempest and Twilight is explicitly talking about Twilight's magic. So again: Why would she be jealous of someone only a bit stronger than her? Even if you don't believe that, it still can't be denied that she at least lumped Twilight in with the other princesses in her jealousy of power.
Celestia had never seen power like Twilight's before. The notion that Twilight has yet to unlock this potential is not only speculation, but speculation that has far more going against it than for. To an extent it defeats the point of her ascension to Alicornhood; to perform an extraordinary magical feat that even the legend himself couldn't do, and wind up creating a completely new form of magic in the process. Statements from the EoH guidebook saying that she "mastered magic" or "ascending from simple ponyhood" (this is not paraphrasing, but taken from the guidebook), and being compared to the likes of Starswirl via Pony of Shadows only further backs up that she has unlocked her potential. In a world where the top tiers are varying degrees of Tier 4, does someone who "mastered magic" or "ascended from simple ponyhood" really sound like someone in the tier 6 range, only a bit far ahead of ponies like Sunset Shimmer or Trixie? Not to me at least, and in my opinion, it makes her feel like Sunset Shimmer and Trixie; whom while powerful individuals, both are ill-trained and very much not magical masters as Twilight is said to be. It kinda makes Twilight look like a joke. If Starswirl made new spells, then Twilight took it even further and created a new form of magic completely. None of this sounds like someone who hasn't unlocked her full potential. In fact, it sounds completely the opposite.
In my opinion, a Low 4-C rating, or better yet, a "likely" or "possibly" sounds fair. 4-C is obviously too much, but scaling Low 4-C to the statement doesn't sound unreasonable, and the statement certainly isn't unsupported.
Many months ago the characters were downgraded from 4-B to 4-C/High 4-C. Twilight got hit worse than any of them, mostly because she reasonably was not as powerful as the other Alicorns. Her Low 4-C key which she had prior to the 4-B upgrade got taken down as well. From what I remember, it was mostly because she had too many anti-feats to the Pony of Shadows comparison of her to Starswirl. The thread is going to discuss some of the points made in the previous.
"She is consistently given problems with monsters that give her own friends problems, such as the Bugbear attack." In "A Matter of Principles" Starlight sent one running for the hills after a single shot later on. "She was amplified by anger at the time." At most, she was mildly angry about a monster assaulting her students. By comparison: She lost everything because of Twilight, was borderline psychotic and went full-blown stalker for the remainder of the season, going as far as messing with time to get revenge. If anything, she was far far angrier and thus more powerful by extension at the time the two fought. That argument only makes Twilight more impressive for matching Starlight at peak anger.
"She had problems with the Tatzelwurm." I'm pretty sure this makes Twilight look more impressive. In "The Fundamentals of Magic" shorts, Princess Celestia explicitly states that it has a hide able to resist all but the strongest of magic. Twilight hurting it is a feat, not an anti-feat.
"The Storm Guards gave her problems." They had highly magic resistant armor. They overpowered her physically literally once from what I've seen, and that's it. Most importantly: At the end of the movie, they were thoroughly trashed and overpowered by characters far weaker than Twliight. They weren't just getting beaten, they were getting utterly destroyed. At no point in the final battle did any of them pose a massive threat to the heroes, and served only to get beaten up by the heroes as they went to free Twilight. Them overpowering Twilight + Rainbow Dash for literally one scene isn't an anti-feat for her, but an outlier for them.
"She is consistently portrayed as on par with her friends." She is consistently portrayed as the strongest Unicorn in Ponyville. Trixie was overpowering and humiliating the stronger members of them Mane 6 in her début, yet isn't anything special compared to Twilight. Not even powerful ponies like Sunset Shimmer come anywhere near Unicor Twilight's magical might, and that gap only got bigger with her Ascension to Alicornhood. And yes, the show does make a distinction between Unicorn and Alicorn Magic, with Twilight mentioning her Alicorn Magic in the Season 4 Finale.
Twilight overpowered and restrained all of her friends at once sans Pinkie via Telekinesis, which further goes against her being portrayed at their levels. I doubt it was paralysis given how they can move their eyes and mouths. The more likely and more simple answer is that she restrained their movements via Telekinesis.
Trixie with the Alicorn Amulet can cast spells that only top tier Unicorns can cast, yet Starlight uses those same spells to play childrens games. Then there is Chancellor Neighsay. His amulet contains the most potent of Unicorn magic. Twilight deals with a spell cast with the most potent of Unicorn magic by effortlessly blasting the spell to pieces. Two times "most powerful Unicorns" is mentioned, and two times Twilight either outmatches it, or scales to someone who does.
Tempest Shadow coveted not only the princesses power, but Twilight's as well, with their dialogue before Twilight getting drained referring to her power specifically. And Tirek desired it too; well before he realized she also had the magic of the others. Why the heck would either of them want magic from someone who is only unquantifiably more powerful than your average pony? It makes no sense. It's almost as if they consider her magic to be stupidly powerful and something worth getting.
Before anyone even says it; yes, I'm aware the staff wouldn't work without Twilight's power. That however, is not my point. Multiple times Tempest expresses jealousy at the power the princesses wield. She does so when "talking" to Celestia's petrified form, and then again when talking to Twilight, and the dialogue between Tempest and Twilight is explicitly talking about Twilight's magic. So again: Why would she be jealous of someone only a bit stronger than her? Even if you don't believe that, it still can't be denied that she at least lumped Twilight in with the other princesses in her jealousy of power.
Celestia had never seen power like Twilight's before. The notion that Twilight has yet to unlock this potential is not only speculation, but speculation that has far more going against it than for. To an extent it defeats the point of her ascension to Alicornhood; to perform an extraordinary magical feat that even the legend himself couldn't do, and wind up creating a completely new form of magic in the process. Statements from the EoH guidebook saying that she "mastered magic" or "ascending from simple ponyhood" (this is not paraphrasing, but taken from the guidebook), and being compared to the likes of Starswirl via Pony of Shadows only further backs up that she has unlocked her potential. In a world where the top tiers are varying degrees of Tier 4, does someone who "mastered magic" or "ascended from simple ponyhood" really sound like someone in the tier 6 range, only a bit far ahead of ponies like Sunset Shimmer or Trixie? Not to me at least, and in my opinion, it makes her feel like Sunset Shimmer and Trixie; whom while powerful individuals, both are ill-trained and very much not magical masters as Twilight is said to be. It kinda makes Twilight look like a joke. If Starswirl made new spells, then Twilight took it even further and created a new form of magic completely. None of this sounds like someone who hasn't unlocked her full potential. In fact, it sounds completely the opposite.
In my opinion, a Low 4-C rating, or better yet, a "likely" or "possibly" sounds fair. 4-C is obviously too much, but scaling Low 4-C to the statement doesn't sound unreasonable, and the statement certainly isn't unsupported.
