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MLP Twilight and more ability additions

Phoenix821

Phoenix821

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Some abilities I found that should be added.

Twilight Can Self Levitate as a Unicorn and teleport while doing it

https://imgur.com/a/AsEUH6D

https://imgur.com/a/fptEr1y


Can Manifest on a chalkboard, Immersion ?

https://imgur.com/a/Bqgty4M


Possible Morality manipulation or Mind manip?

Had a reforming spell that she was going to use on Discord


Can create a hologram, Possible Illusion creation

1:20


Turned Flutterbat back into Fluttershy power null or species transformation?

4:02


Negation

Undid the reality Warping done by Rarity with the Inspiration Manifestation.


Possible resistance to Absorption

The Rainbow power and maybe Elements, considering in the Season 8 Finale the magic of the tree was unaffected by the artifacts absorbing all the magic.


Possible Broadway Force ?

Broke into song before and affected others?


Size Manipulation Turned Spike giant

2:27


Power Null

Nullified Sombra's Door and turned it into a regular Door.

2:06


Petrification

Was going to use a Stonesleep spell on Rockhoof

3:35


Magic Absorption

Absorbed the magic of all the creatures in Tartaurus including Tirek 2:27


Turned them into their individual component creatures 2:35


Possible Fusionism Turned Fluttershy onto Flutterbat


Trixie

Can grab a Rainbow like it's physical Matter Manipulation or Non-Physical Interaction?

https://imgur.com/a/IFpXpPj

https://imgur.com/a/PlEdn70

https://imgur.com/a/Q0u3ujj

https://imgur.com/a/7pW2yXT


Self levitation

https://imgur.com/a/PdEReU8
 
Mind if I hijack this thread with my own revisions for Twilight? (Don't add them until after they've been discussed seeing as they change her Alicorn tier) (Beware, it's kinda long)

Twilight should get Low 4-C via scaling to Starswirl like she did pre 4-B. Obviously via what the Pony of Shadows said. There were more than a few arguments against this. Namely that Twilight consistently struggles with creatures who give her friends issues.

  • She is consistently given problems by monsters. I would question the legitimacy of this very much seeing as it only happened a few times, some of them being pre-Alicorn to begin with. The Bugbear? Sent packing after a single hit from Starlight later on. Storm Guards physically against Twilight and Rainbow? That was literally once, they had anti magic weapons noping her attacks, and they got their asses thoroughly handed to them once the Mane 6 started fighting back.
On the Subject of monsters, she was able to injure the Tatzlewurm, and this thing according to "The Fundamentals of Magic" explicitly has a hide that is resistant to all but the strongest of magic. And she dealt with the Ursa Minor when no one else could.

  • Onto anti-magic, remember the anti magic cage she was held in? She was hitting that thing with her magic and she was making the bars glow brightly. Typically metal doesn't start glowing unless you superheat it, which implies that Twilight was putting a decent amount of stress on whatever this material was made of.
  • She telekinetically held all of her friends down sans Pinkie Pie when they were panicking and running around. I have my doubts that it was paralysis, considering they could move their eyes. It's most likely that she simply restrained them with TK. On top of that even WoG states that her unicorn magic is far stronger than Sunset Shimmer's (I'm fairly certain they meant unicorn Twilight seeing as she spcifically mentions alicorn magic as a princess). Even Trixie was humiliating the stronger members of the Mane 6, and Trixie is nowhere near Twilight's level.
And while I mentioned her, Trixie with the AA is capable of performing spells reserved only for top tier unicorns. She became way out of even Twilight's league with this thing, and yet Starlight uses those same spells later on for the sake of playing children's games. Not to mention Twilight herself effortlessly overpowers Neighsay's amulet, which houses the most powerful of unicorn magic.

  • In the Season 8 finale Twilight has another potential feat. She needed the magic of every criminal in Tartaurus to open the door. The feat comes in when she implies that she could open the gate if she still had magic, which implies that her own magic is = Everycreature she borrowed magic from. (This would also give magic absorption by the way, and she again, needs fusionism for the creation of Flutterbat.)
Tl;Dr Twilight absolutely is not comparable to her friends. She is consistently considered one of the strongest ponies in Ponyville even back as a unicorn, and Celestia had never seen power like hers before. The notion that Twilight has yet to unlock this potential is not only unfounded, but to an extent defeats the point of her ascension to Alicornhood; performing an extraordinary magical feat that even the legend himself couldn't do, and wind up creating a completely new form of magic. The Pony of Shadows comparing her to Starswirl only backs this up further.
 
You should preferably ask Darkanine and Azathoth to comment here.
 
Antvasima said:
You should preferably ask Darkanine and Azathoth to comment here.
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Haven't gotten to Azathoth yet, but I did leave a message on Darkanine's wall.

Do you have any opinions on this yourself though?
 
I don't have the time to properly evaluate it. Sorry.
 
You can probably keep it here.
 
I have no real opinion on Twilight scaling (but i'm very iffy), but the abilities seem fine.
 
The abilities that Darkanine accepted can probably be added to the page.
 
I can unlock the Twilight page for you. Tell me here when you are done.
 
I'd rather a staff add them cause I'm not sure about some of them which is why I have some as questions.
 
I personally don't have the time available, but maybe Darkanine is willing to help.
 
Feel free to do so, if you wish.
 
Antvasima said:
The abilities that Darkanine accepted can probably be added to the page.
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Somebody experienced who knows what he or she is doing just needs to add the new abilities.
 
Antvasima said:
Antvasima said:
The abilities that Darkanine accepted can probably be added to the page.
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Somebody experienced who knows what he or she is doing just needs to add the new abilities.
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Looks like he did it. Got an email since I follow Twilight's page. But this should still stay open. There are still my revisions that need to be discussed.
 
What about EQG Sci-Twi and the others ? Even knowing of Celestia's power , as well as the Alicorns such as Luna and Co, she felt that the Element of Magic alone was enough to threaten all of Equestria with Sunset using it . Wouldn't that imply a "possibly 4-C" for the EQG villians ? Which it wouldn't be contradicted because the Elements were always stated as the strongest magical objects. A similar statement was also stated about Twilight when she got those dark powers, and both her and Sunset (Who obviously knows the powers of the Alicorns, especially Celestia since she worked directly under her) outright states she can take over all Equestria without much issue, and should be far more powerful than Demon Sunset who had the same statement.
 
What is left to discuss here?
 
(Bump) Sorry for the wait. After rewatching the movie and reading through the offical scripts of each of the movies ... I realized a few things that may imply they are even far higher than what I already said:

  • Demon Sunset was stated to be a threat to Equestria and could rule it without issue. This was stated by Twilight. Keep in mind that Twilight knows about Celestia, Luna, and the high-level Alicorns' Full Powers. This is a tier 4 statement that would scale to the EQG's elements during the first movie.
  • The Dazzlings hinted they had their Full Power when they fought the EQG's in Rainbow Rocks. They stated if they were to gain the Equestria Magic they sensed, they would regain their full strength. They did, plus they have the same type of form they had in the descriptions of their Prime selves . No dialogue from them or Twilight implies they are weaker . Plus, they were fighting a stronger version of the Elements than the one from Demon Sunset, but still the elements were capable of holding their own , though they were getting overpowered .
  • Keep in mind that The Pony of Shadows, someone who fought the elements that were far stronger than Tirek and the Pillars (and was only pushed by the beams, not affected by their strength even significantly) , compared his strength to the Dazzlings at the height of his power , and the same comparison was made by Starswirl . This is before Midnight Sparkle BTW . So essentially at this point the Human elements are actually now stronger than the Pony elements (It was a gradual increase, just tlike the Pony Elements did from S1 to S6)
  • Then Midnight Sparkle came in. She absorbed the power of the 7 Elements that defeated the Dazzlings , in addition to the Portal, which would give her a massive amp untop of that . Daydream Shimmer had a similar amp, but still got overpowered until a distraction was made.
  • Then the diodes came in, and gave Sci-Twi a stronger amp than Midnight Sparkle, as well as the other elements, to the point of defeating Gloriossa without issue ( who oneshotted all 7 of the Elements put together, so they are at least as strong as they were when they fought the Dazzlings ) . It's still implied that Sci-Twi was stronger than Gloriossa with her Midnight self, because of what Sunset stated .
So... If accepted, the following should be good :

Demon Sunset: 4-C (Implied as capable of defeating those such as Celestia and Luna by Twilight Sparkle)

Dazzlings: High 4-C (Compared to the power of the Pony of Shadows, who in turn is far superior to the Elements that curbstomped Tirek)

Midnight Sparkle : High 4-C (Far superior to the Elements who defeated The Dazzlings, who were compared to the Pony of Shadows. Implied to be way stronger than Gloriossa Daisy by a significant margin)

Daydream Shimmer: High 4-C (Can somewhat compete with Midnight Sparkle)

Post-Diodes EQG: High 4-C (Oneshotted Gloriossa Daisy)

Gloriossa Daisy: High 4-C (Effortlessly defeated the EQG's Pre-Diodes put together, which were the same ones that defeated the Dazzlings)

Also... The Dazzlings weren't defeated via sheer power by Starswirl. In the final episode of S7, they explained it was a sealing spell.
 
You need to ask Azathoth to comment here before we accept any major upgrades.
 
Well, he will likely reply eventually if you ask him. I am not at all comfortable with allowing drastic sudden upgrades without him.
 
Yeah, but I don't like bothering him. I know he's a pretty chill guy, but I've probably sent a bunch of revison attempts already. Mostly the 4-A ones from last year. But regardless, I've "bumped" my request on his wall.
 
Okay. Thanks. We just have to wait then.
 
1. Nowhere was this stated, Sunset was boasting about her goal and Twilight stated that Equestria could survive w/o the Elements.

2. Same, nowhere was this shown. They stated that they'd need to absorb Equestrian Magic and they really didn't.

3. Starswirl couldn't defeat Tirek and had to get help from Scorpan to do so. This was also never stated btw

4. No? Midnight Sparkle never once interacted with the Dazzlings. Daydream also never interacted with them.

5. Geodes were stated to be weaker forms of Equestrian Magic and Gloriosa got her powers from those. Also she never beat any Elements unless you think the base humans are tier 4.
 
@Edward & @Ant You make good points... I agree with numbers 2-5. 1 was explicitly stated by Twilight though, that I am sure of... Without a shadow of doubt in me. For the other points I'll forfeit until I gather explicit evidence, which will take a while since that requires watching a chunk of MLP, some parts of the EQG films, then the specials . For now, until that happens... Let's refocus back on Twilight's additions. I'll make a thread for it once I gather said evidence.
 
Edwardtruong2006 said:
2. Same, nowhere was this shown. They stated that they'd need to absorb Equestrian Magic and they really didn't.
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As in absorb the EoH. They wanted to get the girls fightning so they could absorb their power in the form of hatred. And where were the geodes said to be weaker?
 
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