Moon Knight Vs The Gorgon (0-0-0)

[Arcker123]

Mentally Unstable Anti-Hero VS Mentally Unstable Villain

Post-Resurrection Key Moon Knight
High 8-C Moon Knight
1-A Stuff Restricted
Start 30M Away
Fight Takes Place At Night
Location Is The Ruins Of An Ancient Egyptian Temple
Scenario Is That Gorgon And The Hand Are Trying To Resurrect An Ancient Egyptian Figure And Weaponise Him. Moon Knight Does Not Take Kindly To This
SBA Otherwise
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Khonshu's Greatest Warrior:

Incon:

The Hands Greatest Warrior:

 

[Tomfer]

Priest of Khonshu Key Moon Knight

I got confused with the keys, the one I talked about is the Post-Resurrection. The Priest key, MK will just throw an actual moon at Gorgon and be done with it, lmao.

 

[Arcker123]

Changed

 

[Tomfer]

It seems that Gorgon holds an edge when it comes to swordsmanship at close range, but MK is not completely outside of his element either. He is a master of all weapons made by mankind, and has content with other swordmasters before. Does that make him win? Absolute not, but he is capable enough to not be stomped outright and edge a few wins if they decide to come closer. Mixing that with the fact that he is a better fighter overall balances things out, he does have a far better skill-chain that Gorgon, by profile alone. And that follows with acrobats too, MK's scans, both in classic and modern, show that he's far more agile than Gorgon. With all that into account, MK has a better chance in H2H IMO.

How good are his swords? MK's sword is Ginnarr, a weapon that can BFR the soul and mind if he hits a very good hit. And how often does he go to read someone's mind? Because if he does, he'll just comatose himself because of MK's tier 1 mental resistances and haxs.

Start 30M Away

It's a better fair distance, not a lot by enough for MK to play around with a few feats of marksmanship. I did show a few good cases in the other thread (that I forgot to reply, I might do it later). But basically, he's a little worse Daredevil when it comes to mid to long range weaponry.

 

[Arcker123]

It seems that Gorgon holds an edge when it comes to swordsmanship at close range, but MK is not completely outside of his element either. He is a master of all weapons made by mankind, and has content with other swordmasters before.

Kk.

Absolute not, but he is capable enough to not be stomped outright and edge a few wins if they decide to come closer.

I don't see it. From High 1-B swords to the Petrification trump card, to regen. I think Gorgon would have the edge.

Mixing that with the fact that he is a better fighter overall balances things out, he does have a far better skill-chain that Gorgon, by profile alone.

I don't see it. His best feat on profile is matching Iron Fist, someone Gorgon can match while holding back, and using Wolverines style. When he's at his best, he can fight off Iron Fist and the rest of the defenders by himself.

Even on the profile, Iron Fist is compared to Wolverine and Elektra. People Gorgon outskilled and beat at the same time, despite massive prep and a SHIELD team supporting them.

And that follows with acrobats too, MK's scans, both in classic and modern, show that he's far more agile than Gorgon

I don't see how that makes him better than people like Spiderman or Elektra, who Gorgon has killed (Even while nerfed in the Spider-Man case).

A lot of the acrobatic feats on the profile are just dodging gunfire from range. Not sure how that scales to H2H more than going ultra instinct on Elektra.

How good are his swords? MK's sword is Ginnarr, a weapon that can BFR the soul and mind if he hits a very good hit.

They're the H1B weapons of Zeus and Amatsu Mikaboshi. They're AP is far higher than Ginnarr, and would just cut Ginnarr in half in a sword clash.

And how often does he go to read someone's mind? Because if he does, he'll just comatose himself because of MK's tier 1 mental resistances and haxs.

Eh. It depends. There are some comics where the writers just forget about it entirely, and others where its the focal point.

Furthermore, Gorgon doesn't really need the Telepathy to be effective here, as he has faced peers with Psionic blockers in the past and been just as efficient.

It's a better fair distance, not a lot by enough for MK to play around with a few feats of marksmanship. I did show a few good cases in the other thread (that I forgot to reply, I might do it later). But basically, he's a little worse Daredevil when it comes to mid to long range weaponry.

Gorgon fought Daredevil off screen before and was able to cope.

Still, there's the stone stare to worry about at that distance too.

 

[Tomfer]

I don't see it. From High 1-B swords to the Petrification trump card, to regen. I think Gorgon would have the edge.

I meant that MK would not win in this case. With swordmanship alone that is.

I don't see it. His best feat on profile is matching Iron Fist, someone Gorgon can match while holding back, and using Wolverines style. When he's at his best, he can fight off Iron Fist and the rest of the defenders by himself.

These are dubious tbh. The first one shows that Iron Fist is dealing with him pretty easily actually. He got one good hit, while the rest was blocked and counter-attacked quite easily. The second scan looks more like an off-panel fight, which we can't tell how it went. It would've been better if you posted the entire fight with context, because otherwise, these are not as good as you're saying they are.

Skill-scaling in Marvel is more about consistency than best feats, and MK has been treated to be around the same ballpark as the top tiers.
Stated to be a master of all martial arts twice.
Master of all weapons made by mankind.
His skill is complimented by Punisher and Shang-Chi.
Fought and defeated Classic and Modern Shroud, someone who has enhanced senses and precognition, and is someone who fought Daredevil more than once, and was shown to be comparable to Elektra.
Very briefly fought a weaken Daredevil.
Fought as an equal against a demon that perfectly copied Daredevil.
Stomped White Dragon, a Shang-Chi villain.
Completely stomped Deadpool in swordsmanship.
One-page stomped another swordmaster.
Went from getting stomped to stomping Iron Fist.
Even when faking and wishing to be defeated, showed to be comparable to Black Panther.
Went from getting stomped to stomping Hunter's Moon, someone who has centuries worth of skill by getting the skill and knowledge from all other Fists of Khonshu (some of them have skill-chain related to Blade and Thor).

I don't agree that Moon Knight is "fully comparable" or above Shang-Chi or Iron Fist, it's still fair to say they belong in the same "level" of skill, not because of one single fight, but by taking every other feat, examining them and see the themes. So I don't agree with your interpretation of Gorgon's feats unless he has more of them, I don't like the idea of being comparable to Iron Fist because of a single fight, Danny is FAR superior than 90% of the verse, and I hate that writers keep making him lose just to hyper up other characters (Realistically speaking, Iron Fist would be stomping both MK and Gorgon all by himself).

Even on the profile, Iron Fist is compared to Wolverine and Elektra. People Gorgon outskilled and beat at the same time, despite massive prep and a SHIELD team supporting them.

Elektra I can see, but Wolverine became a really fodder character skill-wise lately, the dude is often getting hit and being comparable more to Deadpool than Iron Fist and Elektra, both characters that stomped pretty easily Deadpool. Deadpool himself is quite fodder too skill-wise when compared to other marvel characters.

I don't see how that makes him better than people like Spiderman or Elektra, who Gorgon has killed (Even while nerfed in the Spider-Man case).

That is NOT Spider-Man! That's Superior Doctor Octopus, while the comics try to say that he's a perfect copy, the dude clearly does not scale to normal Spidey when it comes to agility (Also, nothing there shows that he's comparable to Spider in acrobatics there). I think he even got a few anti-feats under his belt. The Elektra case seems to be a good case, but once again, it would be better if you got the entire fight to see the context. And even with that, that's just one case, and that doesn't tell about the entire character's capability.

They're the H1B weapons of Zeus and Amatsu Mikaboshi. They're AP is far higher than Ginnarr, and would just cut Ginnarr in half in a sword clash.

That's pretty ****** up actually, give him his tier 1 equipment too, coward. Then I guess it's RIP the sword fighting thematic, but it wouldn't be the end of the world. It would just mean that MK would've to go with other haxs or just skill.

Last time I remember, Ginnarr can have some scaling to Thor, but that's not accepted so don't count on it.

Eh. It depends. There are some comics where the writers just forget about it entirely, and others where its the focal point.

Furthermore, Gorgon doesn't really need the Telepathy to be effective here, as he has faced peers with Psionic blockers in the past and been just as efficient.

That's NOT the same thing, bro. Unless we got tier 1 blockers, MK would easily overcome that. And even if it was, his counter-attack is not merely a mental attack, it BFRs your own mind back into his, blockers wouldn't work on that.

Gorgon fought Daredevil off screen before and was able to cope.

Still, there's the stone stare to worry about at that distance too.

Off-screen fights are pretty wack. You said that stone stare would be something he wouldn't normally pull first time.

 

[Arcker123]

I meant that MK would not win in this case. With swordmanship alone that is.

I concur.

These are dubious tbh. The first one shows that Iron Fist is dealing with him pretty easily actually. He got one good hit, while the rest was blocked and counter-attacked quite easily

They're clearoy going relatively here. Countering each others strikes and so on. Nitpicking that Iron fist landed like one or two more times doesn't really change that. This feat is made more impressive by the handicaps Gorgon had here (Not ysing his main weapon, conserving energy to rematch with logan).

The second scan looks more like an off-panel fight, which we can't tell how it went. It would've been better if you posted the entire fight with context, because otherwise, these are not as good as you're saying they are

Its off panel yeah. From what I remember it was just like a montage of events going on during the Captain America Hydra saga. Still though, its just another showing of how Gorgon can consistently handle groups of top tier martial artists and street tiers by his lonesome. It being offscreen doesn't really change that.

Skill-scaling in Marvel is more about consistency than best feats

These feats are consistent. Gorgon is limited-ish in screen time but when he's on screen he's consistently fighting and beating top tiers.

I don't agree that Moon Knight is "fully comparable" or above Shang-Chi or Iron Fist, it's still fair to say they belong in the same "level" of skill, not because of one single fight, but by taking every other feat, examining them and see the themes. So I don't agree with your interpretation of Gorgon's feats unless he has more of them, I don't like the idea of being comparable to Iron Fist because of a single fight, Danny is FAR superior than 90% of the verse, and I hate that writers keep making him lose just to hyper up other characters (Realistically speaking, Iron Fist would be stomping both MK and Gorgon all by himself).

He's actually beaten Shang Chi outright though. With Shang Chi even saying he doesn't even stand a chance against Gorgon (Despite being amped by Stark Tech).

You'd need to give me a reason to think these feats are outliers. Gorgon just has limitedish screen time. I don't think its fair to dismiss this because of that.

Elektra I can see, but Wolverine became a really fodder character skill-wise lately, the dude is often getting hit and being comparable more to Deadpool than Iron Fist and Elektra, both characters that stomped pretty easily Deadpool. Deadpool himself is quite fodder too skill-wise when compared to other marvel characters.

Jobbing aside, you'd need to show a feat comprable to stomping two high level martial martists both at the same time though. With the advantage of massive prep specifically to counter him.

If you want to say that Wolverine is deadpool tier thats gravy to me, it just becomes trivial to argue this feat is monumentally better than Moon Knights Deadpool feat for the aforementioned reason.

That is NOT Spider-Man! That's Superior Doctor Octopus

I'm aware. Due to the same body stuff, I didn't think it mattered.

When Spidey proper and Gorgon actually fought, Gorgon took the upper hand and forced Spidey to call for help from the other Avengers.

(Also, nothing there shows that he's comparable to Spider in acrobatics there).

I didn't make that claim. I just said Gorgon's killed people with superior acrobatics.

The Elektra case seems to be a good case, but once again, it would be better if you got the entire fight to see the context.

Here.

He stealth blitzes her casually, he kills her entire strike force, intentionally disarms himself to give Elektra a chance, and bodies.

I think he even got a few anti-feats under his belt.

Compared to Peter Parker of all people?

And even with that, that's just one case, and that doesn't tell about the entire character's capability

1. I can still use the feat
2. You still didn't give a comprable CQC acrobatic feat for Moon Knight. Which is why I brought up this Elektra feat in the first place.

That's pretty ****** up actually, give him his tier 1 equipment too, coward. Then I guess it's RIP the sword fighting thematic, but it wouldn't be the end of the world. It would just mean that MK would've to go with other haxs or just skill.

This is a 9-A vs a High 8-C. Gorgon needs the Godkiller & Grasscutter duo to be able to damage them.

Its not like they have any strong hax or whatever. They're just like, regular swords with really high AP. Moon Knights versatility and range should allow him to cope enough for this fight to be fair. (They also should just be 1-A but I was told to wait on that).

That's NOT the same thing, bro. Unless we got tier 1 blockers, MK would easily overcome that. And even if it was, his counter-attack is not merely a mental attack, it BFRs your own mind back into his, blockers wouldn't work on that.

I didn't make the claim Gorgon overcomes his resistance. I just said that Gorgon can cope without his Telepathy.

Off-screen fights are pretty wack.

Still happened. He fought Daredevil in a 1v5 .

You said that stone stare would be something he wouldn't normally pull first time.

Its not a first move. Its still something he can and will deploy and should be considered.

 

[AThe1412]

Amatsu-Mikaboshi is Low 1-A now, so Gorgon's sword should be that strong I think?

 

[Arcker123]

I was told to wait for a crt about Amatsu to apply that. Idk if thay CRT has happened or nah

 

[MrKerf]

Does MK even have any sort of danger sense or prior knowledge that would help him not getting instantly one-shotted up close?

 

[Tomfer]

They're clearoy going relatively here. Countering each others strikes and so on. Nitpicking that Iron fist landed like one or two more times doesn't really change that. This feat is made more impressive by the handicaps Gorgon had here (Not ysing his main weapon, conserving energy to rematch with logan).

Nitpicking needs to happen, otherwise everyone scales to Iron Fist and Shang-Chi. Which itself is a pretty stupid concept because they often have a far bigger, better and more consistent list of feats that overshadow most of the verse. There is a reason why they're the top 3 most skilled characters. Going by one fight and say "yeah they're equal" is disingenuous. Especially when they often get bodied by dumbest reason possible. This is why people often think Marvel characters skill-stomp when the case is most likely not.

So you're saying that Gorgon is more skilled than Iron Fist?

He's actually beaten Shang Chi outright though. With Shang Chi even saying he doesn't even stand a chance against Gorgon (Despite being amped by Stark Tech).

You'd need to give me a reason to think these feats are outliers. Gorgon just has limitedish screen time. I don't think its fair to dismiss this because of that.

So you're saying that Gorgon is the most skilled Marvel character of all time? Because Shang-Chi is the most skilled. This case seems to somewhat resembles
to Shadowlands Daredevil, where he beats everyone, including Iron Fist and Shang-Chi. Which funnily enough, MK is one of the few characters that actually put up a fight.

I'm not saying they are outliers, I'm saying that this is not enough to be considered above them. You're comparing a few hyper moments of aura (Being Gorgon here) to decades worth of content (Shang-chi and Iron First) saying they're THE martial artists of the verse.

I didn't make that claim. I just said Gorgon's killed people with superior acrobatics.

Which he didn't used here. So it's a nothing burger.

He stealth blitzes her casually, he kills her entire strike force, intentionally disarms himself to give Elektra a chance, and bodies.

This is a better feat than all others you showed, I can't argue that.

Compared to Peter Parker of all people?

Yes, but unlike Peter, Doc does not have a vast amount of acrobatic feats that balance things out. People know that Peter, when plot is not in question, is a pretty good acrobat and fighter. Comparing the two is just bad.

This is a 9-A vs a High 8-C. Gorgon needs the Godkiller & Grasscutter duo to be able to damage them.

Its not like they have any strong hax or whatever. They're just like, regular swords with really high AP. Moon Knights versatility and range should allow him to cope enough for this fight to be fair. (They also should just be 1-A but I was told to wait on that).

I was joking, relax. We consider Wolverine's claws to be of high tier and he doesn't insta win everyone. I assume it would be the same case here.

Still happened. He fought Daredevil in a 1v5 .

So you're saying that Gorgon is more skilled than Daredevil? I hope I'm not coming as too offensive or aggressive with these questions (I was told I do that a lot), but I have legit zero knowledge about Gorgon and need to know your interpretation of his feats.

Just because he has a limit set of appearances, doesn't excuse him to just jump to become the best fighter of marvel, which you seem to be trying to show.

When Spidey proper and Gorgon actually fought, Gorgon took the upper hand and forced Spidey to call for help from the other Avengers.

That doesn't show much either? Gorgon just dodged single a kick, and didn't touch Spider-man once.

This whole skill discussion isn't even that relevant, stopping to think here, because in the end, they will end up in the same "area" of level, no matter how you'll slice their feats.

2. You still didn't give a comprable CQC acrobatic feat for Moon Knight. Which is why I brought up this Elektra feat in the first place.

I could give you an entire list, but saying that using acrobats to dodge bullets, even at close range, is not comparable to H2H distance is strange. You're pratically saying that he only dodges at mid to longe range using that? If so, that's just a lie.

Anyway, a mini list of feats that come into my mind right now;
Catches two necks and uses them to support his kick.
Disarms a gunman with his feet and then grabs his neck to throw at someone else.
Can dodge multiple shots in-air.
Uses acrobatics to cut distance and disorient the opponent.
Does it again.
Dodges multiple sneak attacks from Doom's embassy.
Stomps demogoblin using acrobatics, attacking him from multiple directions almost at once.
In the chaos of pratically a battle-royale event, dodges multiple attacks at the same time. Does it again but against Storm and Living Laser. Does it again against Iron man.

Obviously there's more, but these are the few I can remember, and I'm too tired to think properly right now.

Does MK even have any sort of danger sense or prior knowledge that would help him not getting instantly one-shotted up close?

I'm pretty sure that isn't going to happen, no matter the tier of his weapons. Wolverine's claws don't one-shot anyone either, this would just be a similar case. Even if he got stabbed once or twice, MK has shown to be able to still be functional when stabbed multiple times, he even got a moment where he was stabbed in the back, and kept fighting for a very long time. Also, got stabbed in the heart and neck for half a day, bleeding, and it was still fine.

How does Gorgon deal with AP and Speed amps? He used against Iron Fist, which helped him from getting stomped to stomping. And speed here. It's not tier jumping level, but it's enough to increase the edge on his favor.

How would he deal with an army? MK can summon the previous fights to fight alongside him, which he did twice. First time, it was a few that could fight a small gang, and the other it was a world-wide army that fought vampires that conquered almost the whole world. Their AP goes to the same level of MK, like 9-B to H8-C, to a few notable that go against Thor, Phoenix, etc.

How would he kill MK that can insta revive now? Recently, his ressurection was upgraded to a few seconds. You could say that destroying his entire body could do something, but Khonshu has healed his entire body from scratch before too.