Mônica (Turma da Mônica Jovem) vs bad girl (no more heroes)

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Monica

Bad girl

Speed equalized

ID Monica vs NMH1 Badgirl)

8-B badgirl

Monica gets all her Optional equipment

Starting distance 10ft

Location: Beach

No knowledge of each other

 

[JustANormalLemon]

okay, bad girl scales to what?

monicas scales from oneshooting Atlas, who is stronger then astro boy who is comparable if not stronger then his sister who casually did a 20.86 Tons (8-B) feat

so Bad girl has to be much above that to not get one shooted here

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

okay, bad girl scales to what?

monicas scales from oneshooting Atlas, who is stronger then astro boy who is comparable if not stronger then his sister who casually did a 20.86 Tons (8-B) feat

so Bad girl has to be much above that to not get one shooted here

At least 2673661278.42 Joules/0.639 Tons of TNT possibly 3.391885 x 10^11 Joules/ 81.068 Tons of TNT

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

No More Heroes - Letz Shake's Explosion: The End of Recalc

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[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Aka city block level+

 

[JustANormalLemon]

okay, They should be around equal thanks to monica upscaling sinse 20 tons is around a 4 times diference from 80 tons

okay, the main thing keeping Bad Girl in the fight is her precognition abilities. extrasensory percepition and instinctive action

But monica outskill her thanks to having actual tranning, she also has the mobility advantage with acrobatics. Monica steelth is negated by everything I mentioned bad girl has above, Monica mimicry wouldn't be that usefull neither sinse Bad Girl has no traning and relies on instinct and her abilities mentioned above so there is no combat skill for monica to cop

but what monica has is SI, being able to put fear on other into doing her beading and convincing a intergalactic warrior princess to not destroy the city and instead become friends

this would be a long battle sinse Bad Girl could basically block or dodge any of monica's attacks while monica is skilled and experienced enough to do the same

Ignoring monica weapon summoning and energy projection sinse the links are broken for now I would give this to Monica

in direct combat they should be about equal thanks to monica skill and experience and Bad girl 4 abilities mentioned above, but monica scaling from one shooting someone that alread upscale to the 20.86 Tons (8-B) feat means she probable holds a small AP advantage(sinse 80 tons is not enough to one shoo 20 tons)(and yes I know Bad girl has berserker mode that makes her stronger but this only enters in effect when she is near death and It will take long for neither to get close to death whitch such similar strenghs and abilities that would let them block, dodge and deflect each other attacks)

this battle will probable take a long time, so monica has more then enough time to befriend or intimidate bad girl out of the fight

we also can't forget monica outranges a lot by trowing stuff(including sansão) and energy attacks(if we consider them here)

The only thing I can see being a probelm is Bad Girl "crying bait" that may take monica of guard once but with hypermobility(acrobatics) and her experience she should be able to deal with It

Voting monica

 

[Armorchompy]

okay, They should be around equal thanks to monica upscaling sinse 20 tons is around a 4 times diference from 80 tons

in direct combat they should be about equal thanks to monica skill and experience and Bad girl 4 abilities mentioned above, but monica scaling from one shooting someone that alread upscale to the 20.86 Tons (8-B) feat means she probable holds a small AP advantage(sinse 80 tons is not enough to one shoo 20 tons)(and yes I know Bad girl has berserker mode that makes her stronger but this only enters in effect when she is near death and It will take long for neither to get close to death whitch such similar strenghs and abilities that would let them block, dodge and deflect each other attacks)

We don't use the AP gap as a multiplier for stats so absolutely not, upscaling only gets you nebulously higher than your rating. Bad Girl has a sizeable AP advantage here.

But monica outskill her thanks to having actual tranning, she also has the mobility advantage with acrobatics. Monica steelth is negated by everything I mentioned bad girl has above, Monica mimicry wouldn't be that usefull neither sinse Bad Girl has no traning and relies on instinct and her abilities mentioned above so there is no combat skill for monica to cop

"Outskills her thanks to having actual training"

Are you aware of the fact that Bad Girl is #2 in an association where extremely well trained combatants routinely get killed well before reaching her rank? That the very reason she's so impressive is that her instincts get her to such a level without need of training? There is absolutely a massive amount of combat skill here, lemme just fish up what she scales to:

• A fighter's instincts are honed as they become more powerful, and even low tier combatants in KTP are capable of instinctually sensing or perceiving things they could otherwise not know, capable of sensing others' bloodlust or presence through their instincts, as well as enter a state where their bodies react to issues automatically or they enter a state in which they can fight through sheer instinct.
• Even at the beginning of the game (Travis grows in skill a LOT through the game, going from greatly inferior to his master Ryu to surpassing him by the fourth to last boss) Travis easily stomped the 11th best assassin in America, Helter Skelter.
• Travis can fight while having his perception messed with, learn wrestling moves just by watching matches, and alongside a wide variety of wrestling moves, he knows techniques that allow him to stun foes in a single hit. Has stated that he makes his mind go blank during a fight, fighting with his instincts, which allows him to dodge surprise attacks from behind, and can consistently block attacks coming from any direction without needing to turn, even ones that would require extreme precision such as bursts of automatic gunfire.
• Travis can complete various assassination gigs which required him to defeat several enemies at once, often under a time limit or heavy limitations to his abilities (Such as being forbidden from using his weapons, or dying in a single hit), as well as Death Match 100, which pits him up against a hundred enemies at once
• Bad Girl is stated to be moving solely on instinct, and to have the same instincts as her father, Badman (Who even before learning how to fight and kill, was already able to deflect a ball flying at him at deadly speed while both unconscious and blindfolded, and who can fight purely on instinct when using a baseball bat), but more potential, and is a naturally incredibly skilled fighter despite having no training.

Bad Girl is essentially even with endgame Travis, she nearly killed him and the only way Travis could stop that was to forfeit (at which point she just bled out and died). Given Monica's martial arts/WM is just "good at fighting, and also beat one guy", Bad Girl easily overwhelms her in that regard. Also, Bad Girl's stamina is leaps and bounds better.

but what monica has is SI, being able to put fear on other into doing her beading and convincing a intergalactic warrior princess to not destroy the city and instead become friends

this battle will probable take a long time, so monica has more then enough time to befriend or intimidate bad girl out of the fight

Social Influencing isn't hax, and Bad Girl isn't the kind of person you could reasonably talk into giving up a fight. I can't exactly evaluate the scan given it's not in english which isn't allowed but whatever, but it doesn't seem to be particularly relevant.

we also can't forget monica outranges a lot by trowing stuff(including sansão) and energy attacks(if we consider them here)

She can deal with that.

I don't see anything here that Bad Girl can't easily get past. Honestly nothing even much weaker NMH1 characters would have issue with. If we're voting early, I'm voting for her.

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

I vote for bad girl because of armor’s reasonings

 

[Epiccheev]

Harley Quinn FRA

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

3 votes

 

[AThe1412]

Bad Girl FRA.

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

4 votes

 

[Dragonite007]

20.86 vs 81,068... Oh boy, where I start...

You are really putting Mônica, against a character that is 4 times stronges, completely outskill her, has literally 5 times more LS and much more experience in fights.........

My boy, Mônica literally don't have a wincon

Stomp

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

20.86 vs 81,068... Oh boy, where I start...

You are really putting Mônica, against a character that is 4 times stronges, completely outskill her, has literally 5 times more LS and much more experience in fights.........

My boy, Mônica literally don't have a wincon

Stomp

I can give her some optional equipment if that helps

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

20.86 vs 81,068... Oh boy, where I start...

You are really putting Mônica, against a character that is 4 times stronges, completely outskill her, has literally 5 times more LS and much more experience in fights.........

My boy, Mônica literally don't have a wincon

Stomp

Or give her her id card

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Does that help at all

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

20.86 vs 81,068... Oh boy, where I start...

You are really putting Mônica, against a character that is 4 times stronges, completely outskill her, has literally 5 times more LS and much more experience in fights.........

My boy, Mônica literally don't have a wincon

Stomp

I mean does it make any difference with all her optional equipment allowed and changing it to her ID card form?

 

[James_Plays_4_Games]

We don't use the AP gap as a multiplier for stats so absolutely not, upscaling only gets you nebulously higher than your rating. Bad Girl has a sizeable AP advantage here.

"Outskills her thanks to having actual training"

Are you aware of the fact that Bad Girl is #2 in an association where extremely well trained combatants routinely get killed well before reaching her rank? That the very reason she's so impressive is that her instincts get her to such a level without need of training? There is absolutely a massive amount of combat skill here, lemme just fish up what she scales to:

• A fighter's instincts are honed as they become more powerful, and even low tier combatants in KTP are capable of instinctually sensing or perceiving things they could otherwise not know, capable of sensing others' bloodlust or presence through their instincts, as well as enter a state where their bodies react to issues automatically or they enter a state in which they can fight through sheer instinct.
• Even at the beginning of the game (Travis grows in skill a LOT through the game, going from greatly inferior to his master Ryu to surpassing him by the fourth to last boss) Travis easily stomped the 11th best assassin in America, Helter Skelter.
• Travis can fight while having his perception messed with, learn wrestling moves just by watching matches, and alongside a wide variety of wrestling moves, he knows techniques that allow him to stun foes in a single hit. Has stated that he makes his mind go blank during a fight, fighting with his instincts, which allows him to dodge surprise attacks from behind, and can consistently block attacks coming from any direction without needing to turn, even ones that would require extreme precision such as bursts of automatic gunfire.
• Travis can complete various assassination gigs which required him to defeat several enemies at once, often under a time limit or heavy limitations to his abilities (Such as being forbidden from using his weapons, or dying in a single hit), as well as Death Match 100, which pits him up against a hundred enemies at once
• Bad Girl is stated to be moving solely on instinct, and to have the same instincts as her father, Badman (Who even before learning how to fight and kill, was already able to deflect a ball flying at him at deadly speed while both unconscious and blindfolded, and who can fight purely on instinct when using a baseball bat), but more potential, and is a naturally incredibly skilled fighter despite having no training.

Bad Girl is essentially even with endgame Travis, she nearly killed him and the only way Travis could stop that was to forfeit (at which point she just bled out and died). Given Monica's martial arts/WM is just "good at fighting, and also beat one guy", Bad Girl easily overwhelms her in that regard. Also, Bad Girl's stamina is leaps and bounds better.


Social Influencing isn't hax, and Bad Girl isn't the kind of person you could reasonably talk into giving up a fight. I can't exactly evaluate the scan given it's not in english which isn't allowed but whatever, but it doesn't seem to be particularly relevant.

She can deal with that.

I don't see anything here that Bad Girl can't easily get past. Honestly nothing even much weaker NMH1 characters would have issue with. If we're voting early, I'm voting for her.

20.86 vs 81,068... Oh boy, where I start...

You are really putting Mônica, against a character that is 4 times stronges, completely outskill her, has literally 5 times more LS and much more experience in fights.........

My boy, Mônica literally don't have a wincon

Stomp

I vote for Bad Girl winning for the quoted reasons.

I can give her some optional equipment if that helps

Or give her her id card

I don't think this does much.

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

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I don't think this does much.

Yeah but maybe it stops it from being a stomp if what dragonite said is true

 

[James_Plays_4_Games]

Yeah but maybe it stops it from being a stomp if what dragonite said is true

What win condition would Mônica gain from the additions you proposed? She would become a bit more powerful and have some extra abilities, but I don't see how they would revolutionize the match.

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

What win condition would Mônica gain from the additions you proposed? She would become a bit more powerful and have some extra abilities, but I don't see how they would revolutionize the match.

I just mean it makes it less of a stomp. If this is already one

 

[James_Plays_4_Games]

I just mean it makes it less of a stomp. If this is already one

Sure, you're better off making the change than not, because even if it doesn't do much, it still is something. All I'm telling you is that I don't think the change would make the match-up not a stomp, even if the change would make it less so.

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Sure, you're better off making the change than not, because even if it doesn't do much, it still is something. All I'm telling you is that I don't think the change would make the match-up not a stomp, even if the change would make it less so.

Changed it.

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Sure, you're better off making the change than not, because even if it doesn't do much, it still is something. All I'm telling you is that I don't think the change would make the match-up not a stomp, even if the change would make it less so.

So could you make a detailed description based on optional equipment and second key? Thanks

 

[James_Plays_4_Games]

So could you make a detailed description based on optional equipment and second key? Thanks

Not much changes from the details Armorchompy already gave. Now the battle is just slightly less of a stomp because Mônica would be a bit more powerful and have some extra abilities. I still vote for Bad Girl winning the battle for the same reasons as before.