Molecule Man(Beyonders) Speed Upgrade

[OneAboveAll42]

Molecule Man speed should be immeasurable since he absorbed all beyonders' powers and their speed was immeasurable.

 

[SITHISIT]

any infinite dimensional character should have immeasurable speed either way

 

[Antvasima]

Well, the problem is that the Beyonders were very explicitly stated to be linear beings, whereas immeasurable means transcending linear time.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

But they killed the Abstract Host and The Living Tribunal.

 

[SITHISIT]

Well, the problem is that the Beyonders were very explicitly ststed to be linear beings, whereas immeasurable means transcending linear time.

they have a 4-B key for a reason.

 

[Kaltias]

Correct me if i'm wrong, but I don't think that moving linearly on a higher dimensional time axis disprove the possibility of being immeasurable. Immeasurable only require to transcend linear time, while higher dimensional time is beyond that.

 

[Antvasima]

Yes, but the story explicitly stated that their one weakness is that they are linear beings. It is what allowed Doctor Doom to travel through time and prepare a defence against them, without them being able to do anything about it.

 

[Antvasima]

Again, Marvel does not make any sense, but we have to try to follow what has been explicitly stated.

 

[SITHISIT]

Molecule Man is a diffferent idea. He isnt stated to be linear and he also is stated to be superior to TLT.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

@Antvasima

I am sorry, you can't ignore their feats and go by their description. They are clearly not linear or else they wouldn't have speeds comparable to Infinite-Dimensional beings.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, the entire point of the story was that they are linear. And infinite spatial dimensions technically does not automatically mean greater speed.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Being 5D in Marvel would already make you Immeasurable by default cause you'd be beyond infinite parallel universes. Please Ant, don't apply standards to Marvel that we don't apply to any fictional verse in the world.

 

[Kaltias]

Yes, but they are comparable to TLT, who encompasses and transcends linear time

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

The entire point about the Beyonders is that they are "Beyond" stuff. They are beyond the universe, beyond the multiverse, beyond The Living Tribunal's authority. Under the cosmology established in the stories, they are the most powerful thing there is except TOAA and Oblivion (Who writers forget exist).

The Beyonders being linear frankly makes no sense when even Ascended Cosmic Cubes display characteristics to ignore linear time.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, I agree that it makes no sense. It is just that this was the main point of their storyline. Still, I suppose that you can change back their speed statistic then. Just remember to include a footnote explanation for why we ignore that they were stated to be linear.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Frankly, it was just something invented to give the heroes the win.

 

[Antvasima]

I suppose so. It still needs to be explained in their profile page however.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I can do it after lunch.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Thanks. Dont forget the LotR pages as well.