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The king of martial arts vs the king of crabs. Yep. This is a match... Just...state who wins and why.
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Mister Satan vs Kingler
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Is Guillotine considered One Hit Kill or is it game mechanics?
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In the context where Kingler likely has the advantage in AP, it most likely is a OHK
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It's definitely game mechanics
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Mister Satan for reasons above
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I'm not confident in Kingler during this match.
While it has great AP, it's only in one claw. However, that 10,000 Horsepower claw is as much a drawback as an advantage.
To quote some of its Pokedex entries.... http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Kingler_(Pokémon)#Pok.C3.A9dex_entries_2
"It can hardly lift its massive, overgrown pincer. The pincer's size makes it difficult to aim properly." "Its pincers grow peculiarly large. If it lifts the pincers too fast, it loses its balance and staggers." "Its over sized claw is very powerful, but when it's not in battle, the claw just gets in the way." "It waves its huge, over sized claw in the air to communicate with others. But since the claw is so heavy, this Pokémon quickly tires." "The large and hard pincer has 10,000-horsepower strength. However, being so big, it is unwieldy to move."
My point is, for all its power, most of Kingler's AP comes from its big claw, & that's only on one side. A big claw that it has trouble moving & aiming & which makes it tire faster.
And I'm sure even Mister Satan can figure out that when he sees a big crab with one very big claw, that the bigger claw is to be avoided.
Even if Kingler doesn't "crabwalk", as its anatomy would lead me to believe, Mister Satan has "Subsonic, possibly higher" speed. Kingler's speed is unknown, but I'm doubtful Kingler is faster, & it's likely not going to outsmart him.
I can see Mister Satan easily outmaneuvering Kingler, staying on the side with the smaller claw consistently.
The fact that he has bombs, poisons -although, whether he can administer them to Kingler is questionable- & missile launchers, apparently means he can fight at range, too.
Kingler's thin, possibly even weak limbs could also prove as weak points to an effective martial artist such as Mister Satan; They may be more fragile, or Kingler could be grabbed & thrown by them.
Kingler's best chance, in my opinion, might prove unintuitive to a crab Pokemon like it. Since its claw is so big, heavy, stamina-draining, & unwieldy, & probably something Mister Satan can handily avoid....
Kingler would likely have to stay in one place, trying to tank attacks & attack at a range to win through attrition. As in, it's most effective strategy MAY just be avoiding using its big, meaty claw, as much as possible.
Using moves like Bubble, Mud Shot, Brine, to attack at a range, & moves like Harden & Protect, Kingler might have a shot, & using its claw(s) to keep Hercule back, it might be able to overcome the significant stamina difference, & possible speed difference.
However, I'm doubtful Kingler's instincts & intelligence -or possible lack thereof- would support it concocting such a plan.
All in all, speed isn't certain, & that makes a big difference.
However, due to Mister Satan likely being better in Stamina, Speed & Intelligence, & his equipment helping him match Kingler in a battle of range -so long as there are no witnesses- I think Mister Satan would be able to close the distance & overcome Kingler in a close-up fight.
And again, while Kingler might have a chance with ranged tanking & attrition techniques, I still think it's a big maybe if it works even if Kingler DOES try using it.
Thanks, all, for reading this & considering my opinion if you do. Hopefully me replying to this match so late is okay.
While it has great AP, it's only in one claw. However, that 10,000 Horsepower claw is as much a drawback as an advantage.
To quote some of its Pokedex entries.... http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Kingler_(Pokémon)#Pok.C3.A9dex_entries_2
"It can hardly lift its massive, overgrown pincer. The pincer's size makes it difficult to aim properly." "Its pincers grow peculiarly large. If it lifts the pincers too fast, it loses its balance and staggers." "Its over sized claw is very powerful, but when it's not in battle, the claw just gets in the way." "It waves its huge, over sized claw in the air to communicate with others. But since the claw is so heavy, this Pokémon quickly tires." "The large and hard pincer has 10,000-horsepower strength. However, being so big, it is unwieldy to move."
My point is, for all its power, most of Kingler's AP comes from its big claw, & that's only on one side. A big claw that it has trouble moving & aiming & which makes it tire faster.
And I'm sure even Mister Satan can figure out that when he sees a big crab with one very big claw, that the bigger claw is to be avoided.
Even if Kingler doesn't "crabwalk", as its anatomy would lead me to believe, Mister Satan has "Subsonic, possibly higher" speed. Kingler's speed is unknown, but I'm doubtful Kingler is faster, & it's likely not going to outsmart him.
I can see Mister Satan easily outmaneuvering Kingler, staying on the side with the smaller claw consistently.
The fact that he has bombs, poisons -although, whether he can administer them to Kingler is questionable- & missile launchers, apparently means he can fight at range, too.
Kingler's thin, possibly even weak limbs could also prove as weak points to an effective martial artist such as Mister Satan; They may be more fragile, or Kingler could be grabbed & thrown by them.
Kingler's best chance, in my opinion, might prove unintuitive to a crab Pokemon like it. Since its claw is so big, heavy, stamina-draining, & unwieldy, & probably something Mister Satan can handily avoid....
Kingler would likely have to stay in one place, trying to tank attacks & attack at a range to win through attrition. As in, it's most effective strategy MAY just be avoiding using its big, meaty claw, as much as possible.
Using moves like Bubble, Mud Shot, Brine, to attack at a range, & moves like Harden & Protect, Kingler might have a shot, & using its claw(s) to keep Hercule back, it might be able to overcome the significant stamina difference, & possible speed difference.
However, I'm doubtful Kingler's instincts & intelligence -or possible lack thereof- would support it concocting such a plan.
All in all, speed isn't certain, & that makes a big difference.
However, due to Mister Satan likely being better in Stamina, Speed & Intelligence, & his equipment helping him match Kingler in a battle of range -so long as there are no witnesses- I think Mister Satan would be able to close the distance & overcome Kingler in a close-up fight.
And again, while Kingler might have a chance with ranged tanking & attrition techniques, I still think it's a big maybe if it works even if Kingler DOES try using it.
Thanks, all, for reading this & considering my opinion if you do. Hopefully me replying to this match so late is okay.
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Mr. Satan, with mid to high difficulty, for reasons already stated here.
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The champ is eating a fancy crab dinner tonight for reasons above
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