Minor additions for Tower Of God

[BeTheWay1rst]

I am taking inspiration and information from Cosmic Fear Mode Garou
Yuri Zahard should have all those abilities plus theirs resistances:

Radiation Manipulation(Her nuclear punches would release 240 Grays of radiation at the hypocenter.)
Temperature Manipulation(Her nuclear punches can reach millions of degrees.)
Sound Manipulation (Could still hear after being at the center of various nuclear explosions, which are estimated to produce sounds upwards of 240 decibels. Sounds over 200 decibels can instantly kill humans)
Light Manipulation (Her nuclear explosions produce light)


SIU the author has called Yuri(and High Rankers in general) a nuclear bomb threat many times
The visual of her punches is also similar to nukes

All High Rankers Should also have those resistances as they scale above Pedro
It should also be noted that some regulars are also able to hold Antimatter(which produce gamma ray)

Rankers should also have the full resistance to Sense Manipulation (Baam was able to regain his senses faster than Androssi)

Kallavan should also have Regeneration Nullification via Essence of Bravery ( (At least Mid-Low scaling from Ha Jinsung)

We should also add https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Matter_Manipulation and https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Transmutation (Up to macro quantum level)to https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Shinsoo

Agree with everything:
Agree with everything except Yuri's part: @Arceus0x , @LephyrTheRevanchist , @ActuallySpaceMan42 , @Planck69

 

[BeTheWay1rst]

Come at me

 

[DavidTPPM]

One day I'll finish reading ToG and the wiki will go crazy

 

[Arceus0x]

Nah, radiation manip seems like a stretch. We explicitly have a standard that we don't use attack names as the main evidence for its nature. Unless it is stated that they are literally nuclear or have more evidence about their radioactivity, it won't cut it. A nuclear bomb level threat also means nothing but a comment about her sheer strength and you linked our wiki page, not even the quote itself.
To extrapolate on the naming convention, we don't see floral butterfly piercing technique summoning butterflies or shinsu black hole technique summoning an actual black hole. The fact that these attacks cause explosions also doesn't help since most massive shinsu attacks are explosive and cause similar explosions.
Another issue I have is that every other attack she has used has nothing to do with actual radioactivity.
Finally, the radioactive heat would've been pointed out at least once throughout the story, but instead it's never mentioned. Considering the effects Evankhell's flames had on rankers and combat ships, that would seem very inconsistent.

The rest I'd say is good to go.

 

[BeTheWay1rst]

Nah, radiation manip seems like a stretch. We explicitly have a standard that we don't use attack names as the main evidence for its nature. Unless it is stated that they are literally nuclear or have more evidence about their radioactivity, it won't cut it. A nuclear bomb level threat also means nothing but a comment about her sheer strength and you linked our wiki page, not even the quote itself.
To extrapolate on the naming convention, we don't see floral butterfly piercing technique summoning butterflies or shinsu black hole technique summoning an actual black hole. The fact that these attacks cause explosions also doesn't help since most massive shinsu attacks are explosive and cause similar explosions.
Another issue I have is that every other attack she has used has nothing to do with actual radioactivity.
Finally, the radioactive heat would've been pointed out at least once throughout the story, but instead it's never mentioned. Considering the effects Evankhell's flames had on rankers and combat ships, that would seem very inconsistent.

The rest I'd say is good to go.

If it was only a nominal fallacy SIU wouldn't insist on that, he clearly believe that High Rankers can facetank Nuclear explosions, SIU even called her "Nuclear Yuri" here since you want <<Unless it is stated that they are literally nuclear>>. About the Quote i linked the wrong one, but it's ok now.
You won't find any Piercing technique with an explosion similar to Nuclear Punches.
I don't see any issu with her other attacks not having anything to do with nuke
I also don't see why Evankhell fire hype is an antifeat, her fire just scale above the the heat of Yuri's explosin by feats of melting rankers.

 

[Arceus0x]

If it was only a nominal fallacy SIU wouldn't insist on that, he clearly believe that High Rankers can facetank Nuclear explosions, SIU even called her "Nuclear Yuri" here since you want <<Unless it is stated that they are literally nuclear>>. About the Quote i linked the wrong one, but it's ok now.

Still nominal fallacy. The blogpost is blatantly a comparison of her to a nuclear bomb THREAT, not an actual nuke. Additionally you didn't haven't shown the facetank nukes quote.

You won't find any Piercing technique with an explosion similar to Nuclear Punches.

Not the point lmao

I don't see any issu with her other attacks not having anything to do with nuke

If one's ability was radiation based then it'd have more than one nuclear attack. Evankhell has her flames, Dorian has his slime, why would Yuri be different and have this one single random nuclear attack?

I also don't see why Evankhell fire hype is an antifeat, her fire just scale above the the heat of Yuri's explosin by feats of melting rankers.

Seems weird to me that something that's supposed to be millions of degrees is basically ignored but the fire isn't and nothing around it ever melts to the same degree. What? Every bit of metal can resist millions of degrees in tog? I doubt that.

 

[BeTheWay1rst]

The blogpost is blatantly a comparison of her to a nuclear bomb THREAT

SIU make Yuri Punches create Nuclear explosions and the blogpost support that. SIU would't talk about "Nuclear Yuri" if her move didn't create nuclear explosion at all.

If one's ability was radiation based then it'd have more than one nuclear attack. Evankhell has her flames, Dorian has his slime, why would Yuri be different and have this one single random nuclear attack?

Po Bidau Lyborick Khun must be Omnipotent with his water vapour, same with Yu Han Sung with his Black Hole and Shinheuh right ? I still fall to see how this can be an issu.

Seems weird to me that something that's supposed to be millions of degrees is basically ignored but the fire isn't and nothing around it ever melts to the same degree. What? Every bit of metal can resist millions of degrees in tog? I doubt that.

What are you even talking about, Yuri's Nuclear explosions completly vaped whatever metal was in it's area of effect expect the Purple Dementor

Not only that bur Regulars who can tank fire hotter than Lava and lightning(30,000 °C)

 

[Arceus0x]

SIU make Yuri Punches create Nuclear explosions and the blogpost support that. SIU would't talk about "Nuclear Yuri" if her move didn't create nuclear explosion at all.

Your evidence is still just a nominal fallacy

Po Bidau Lyborick Khun must be Omnipotent with his water vapour, same with Yu Han Sung with his Black Hole and Shinheuh right ? I still fall to see how this can be an issu.

I think you're completely misunderstanding the things I am saying at this point. I said that the shinsu black hole technique is similar to a black hole but isn't an actual black hole, thus Yuri's nuclear punches have no business being actual nuclear blasts until proven otherwise.

What are you even talking about, Yuri's Nuclear explosions completly vaped whatever metal was in it's area of effect expect the Purple Dementor

You misunderstand yet again. I said it doesn't melt the metal AROUND it. Remember, when Evankhell released the flames they basically melted everything around them without touching them, the heat was enough. We know the ships in ToG aren't that heat resistant. So the question isn't whether or not Yuri vaporizes metal (like half the shinsu blasts from all sorts of characters do) but rather the fact that it has no further effect than a perfect crater. If it was something that was actually nuke-esque it would cause fires and damage all around the main crater as well and not just inside of it.

Not only that bur Regulars who can tank fire hotter than Lava and lightning(30,000 °C)

Vaporization can happen from energy too, otherwise every attack of a ranker would be 100s of millions of degrees.

Anyways it seems to me like this could go on forever so just get mods in and have them evaluate this.

 

[BeTheWay1rst]

Your evidence is still just a nominal fallacy

That's just you being incredule.

I think you're completely misunderstanding the things I am saying at this point. I said that the shinsu black hole technique is similar to a black hole but isn't an actual black hole, thus Yuri's nuclear punches have no business being actual nuclear blasts until proven otherwise.

Shinsu black hole technique is just one of the many Webtoon TL shit, only one technique in the entire TOG has been called Black Hole and Yu Han Sung is the only user (OMG Tier 5 feat)

You misunderstand yet again. I said it doesn't melt the metal AROUND it. Remember, when Evankhell released the flames they basically melted everything around them without touching them, the heat was enough. We know the ships in ToG aren't that heat resistant. So the question isn't whether or not Yuri vaporizes metal (like half the shinsu blasts from all sorts of characters do) but rather the fact that it has no further effect than a perfect crater. If it was something that was actually nuke-esque it would cause fires and damage all around the main crater as well and not just inside of it.

The antimatter bomb must also be another nominal fallacy for you, right ?

Anyways, since all opinions matter you have the right to disagree with mine. Don't mods receice a notification every time a CRT is made ?

 

[Arceus0x]

The antimatter bomb must also be another nominal fallacy for you, right ?

Nah, in this case it isn't the name of an attack, it is the name of a weapon. You can hype up an attack with a cool name but a mass-produced weapon has no reason to be called differently. Additionally when it comes to weapon naming, if they have a name the name is an actual name, like the Mad Shocker or the Black March. Antimatter bomb isn't a name. If Yuri used a weapon literally called a nuclear bomb then it'd be a different story here.

Anyways, since all opinions matter you have the right to disagree with mine. Don't mods receice a notification every time a CRT is made ?

no? You have to call them.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

I agree with Arceus regarding the nuclear stuff

Rankers should also have the full resistance to Sense Manipulation (Baam was able to regain his senses faster than Androssi)

Why do rankers scale resistances like that?

Kallavan should also have Regeneration Nullification via Essence of Bravery ( (At least Mid-Low scaling from Ha Jinsung)

This should be fine

We should also add https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Matter_Manipulation and https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Transmutation (Up to Quantum level)to https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Shinsoo

Scans for this? Or is it based on the nuclear stuff?

 

[BeTheWay1rst]

where are you mod

Why do rankers scale resistances like that?

The Shinsu resistance of Rankers

Scans for this? Or is it based on the nuclear stuff?

Everything in the verse is nothing but a state of Shinsu, matter,antimatter,light,gravity...

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Should be good now with the added scans

@DarkDragonMedeus @Planck69 @Propellus @ActuallySpaceMan42 mind giving this thread a quick look?

 

[Arceus0x]

Should be good now with the added scans

@DarkDragonMedeus @Planck69 @Propellus @ActuallySpaceMan42 mind giving this thread a quick look?

So everything but the nuclear stuff then?

 

[WHYNAUT]

The matter manipulation would at best be Macro-Quantum, because of electric and light Shinsoo. For some reason on the site we treat string theory and quantum foam as Quantum level.

 

[BeTheWay1rst]

The matter manipulation would at best be Macro-Quantum, because of electric and light Shinsoo. For some reason on the site we treat string theory and quantum foam as Quantum level.

What about gravity, is it also macro quantum?

 

[WHYNAUT]

That wouldn't give matter manipulation unless the verse establishes that gravitons exist, which are still only macro-quantum.

 

[BeTheWay1rst]

There is type 2 informations in the verse and they are also a state of Shinsu.
I don't think there need to be a mention that light is made of photons or lightning being made of electrons to give a character who can control matter with a feat of also controlling light and lightning to give them macro quantum manipulation. Why is it different with gravity? Also, why is gravity not quantum?

 

[WHYNAUT]

Because gravitons are purely theoretical, unlike electrons and photons. It's not quantum because quanta/elementary particles are indexed as macro-quantum on the wiki, even if that's scientifically incorrect. If the matter manipulation page were more accurate, then macro-quantum would simply be quantum and the current quantum level wouldn't split up into other categories or powers.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

I disagree with the nuclear bomb stuff, being compared to a nuclear bomb threat does not mean you are comparable to one. The rest seems mostly fine.

We should also add https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Matter_Manipulation and https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Transmutation (Up to Quantum level)to https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Shinsoo

Scans for this?

 

[BeTheWay1rst]

Scans for this?

Post in thread 'Minor additions for Tower Of God' https://vsbattles.com/threads/minor-additions-for-tower-of-god.175425/post-6907225
Also what do you think about the antimatter part of the thread,

 

[BeTheWay1rst]

Because gravitons are purely theoretical, unlike electrons and photons. It's not quantum because quanta/elementary particles are indexed as macro-quantum on the wiki, even if that's scientifically incorrect. If the matter manipulation page were more accurate, then macro-quantum would simply be quantum and the current quantum level wouldn't split up into other categories or powers.

Thanks, I will correct it to macro quantum.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Post in thread 'Minor additions for Tower Of God' https://vsbattles.com/threads/minor-additions-for-tower-of-god.175425/post-6907225
Also what do you think about the antimatter part of the thread,

Seems fine.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

So everything but the nuclear stuff then?

Yeh

 

[BeTheWay1rst]

Yeh

What do you think about the antimatter stuff?

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

What do you think about the antimatter stuff?

Resistance to antimatter is fine, that's why I didn't mention being against it.

 

[BeTheWay1rst]

Resistance to antimatter is fine, that's why I didn't mention being against it.

Thanks

 

[Planck69]

Should be good now with the added scans

@DarkDragonMedeus @Planck69 @Propellus @ActuallySpaceMan42 mind giving this thread a quick look?

Barring the nuclear stuff, the rest seems fine.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Thank you, Spaceman and Planck

I believe more than 48 hrs passed since the thread's creation, so this can be applied.

 

[BeTheWay1rst]

Thanks you all for your input